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[QUOTE=MTK;1189334]A deep playoff run will have the majority of fans saying Kirk who

You’re happy he wants to tour a few teams and make a calculated decision?[/QUOTE]I am happy the Skins made the move to get a better qb and are not getting caught up in the idea of over paying Cousins to keep some vocal "fans" happy. One thing I learned after the whole Fasel debacle was the front office and ownership not listen to fans .

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[quote=MTK;1189334]A deep playoff run will have the majority of fans saying Kirk who

You’re happy he wants to tour a few teams and make a calculated decision?[/quote]

Imagine if you will, An NFC conference championship game in the near future. Minnesota vs Washington, Cousins vs Smith. Game on the line, 2 minutes to go. Tied 20-20.

and the power goes out.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1189339]Imagine if you will, An NFC conference championship game in the near future. Minnesota vs Washington, Cousins vs Smith. Game on the line, 2 minutes to go. Tied 20-20.

and the power goes out.[/quote]

Just to be in that situation would be epic. F the power

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1189335]I still think they did that on purpose, they wanted kirk to commit and he wouldn't so they didn't commit to him on the field.[/quote]

I think it's a part of it, I think the larger part of last year's FA style, was they didn't know what final number it would take to get KC signed, so they held back on any top tier signings so they could get him signed. And once it was clear that he wasn't, there wasn't any point.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1189335]I still think they did that on purpose, they wanted kirk to commit and he wouldn't so they didn't commit to him on the field.[/quote]

I don't think that is it at all, Personally. Yes, I didn't quite understand getting rid of [I]both [/I]Garcon and Jackson, but every single one of us knew the Redskins were not keeping both receivers heading into the 2017 season. The idea was that Josh Doctson would be good enough to take the place of either Garcon or Jackson, while still having Jordan Reed, Vernon Davis, and Jamison Crowder as weapons. And adding Pryor was a gamble, but one the 'skins didn't have to invest much in that could've turned out to be a great pick up. It didn't, Reed was hurt most of the season, and Doctson had flashes but nothing near Garcon or Jackson.

I think it's a bit absurd to think a team would purposely try limit themselves just to prove a point to their quarterback.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1189339]Imagine if you will, An NFC conference championship game in the near future. Minnesota vs Washington, Cousins vs Smith. Game on the line, 2 minutes to go. Tied 20-20.



and the power goes out.[/QUOTE]


Perfect

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1189341]I think it's a part of it, I think the larger part of last year's FA style, was they didn't know what final number it would take to get KC signed, so they held back on any top tier signings so they could get him signed. And once it was clear that he wasn't, there wasn't any point.[/quote]

I think the team was trying to make some cap room in order for a future Cousins LTD signing. However, once again, his camp was willing to play the same game again (who would blame them) and the 'skins knew it wasn't going to be enough and he wasn't giving a hometown discount. In retrospect, probably should've traded Cousins at the end of 2016, re-signed Jackson and Garcon. The only problem with that would've been, quarterback. The "top" QB signing back in 2016 was Mike Glennon, who just got cut from the Bears. Maybe the 'skins would've made a move up to grab a QB, but it would've been another bet the farm for RGIII type of move.

I honestly believe everything works out better in this situation. The 'skins don't give up but one 3rd round pick for a well established QB with a lot left in his tank, he's a lot cheaper than Cousins will ever be, and they still have an opportunity to go out and get weapons. I think the Cousins camp put a lot of uncertainty into the situation and didn't give the 'skins many options.

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[quote=metalskins;1189342]I don't think that is it at all, Personally. Yes, I didn't quite understand getting rid of [I]both [/I]Garcon and Jackson, but every single one of us knew the Redskins were not keeping both receivers heading into the 2017 season. The idea was that Josh Doctson would be good enough to take the place of either Garcon or Jackson, while still having Jordan Reed, Vernon Davis, and Jamison Crowder as weapons. And adding Pryor was a gamble, but one the 'skins didn't have to invest much in that could've turned out to be a great pick up. It didn't, Reed was hurt most of the season, and Doctson had flashes but nothing near Garcon or Jackson.

I think it's a bit absurd to think a team would purposely try limit themselves just to prove a point to their quarterback.[/quote]

I'm not saying they wanted to suck, I'm saying they may not have kept Djax or not signed a WR due to not knowing the status of KC.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1189339]Imagine if you will, An NFC conference championship game in the near future. Minnesota vs Washington, Cousins vs Smith. Game on the line, 2 minutes to go. Tied 20-20.

and the power goes out.[/quote]

And then the Undertaker slowly walks out, choke slams Daniel Snyder. Tombstones Bruce Allen. Gives Jay Gruden the big boot. Chokeslams Kirk Cousins, Alex Smith, 90 year old Bud Carson, the old ball coach (who invited him anyway), and Ed Houchuli. Gives his cut throat sign, and then walks out of the stadium as the new XFL theme music starts playing after his "bells" theme music ends.

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[quote=metalskins;1189347]and then the undertaker slowly walks out, choke slams daniel snyder. Tombstones bruce allen. Gives jay gruden the big boot. Chokeslams kirk cousins, alex smith, 90 year old bud carson, the old ball coach (who invited him anyway), and ed houchuli. Gives his cut throat sign, and then walks out of the stadium as the new xfl theme music starts playing after his "bells" theme music ends.[/quote]

rest in peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yeah, you guys are going over board with the WR conspiracy here.

I think they made the right decision not overpaying for aging talent, but then they whiffed in FA. This was exacerbated by Doctson's need for development, Reed and Thompson injuries, and Cousin's unwillingness to take shots to the developing WRs during practice, Perine not being a gem, etc.

No I'm sorry that is just too logical, it must be that the team tanked on offense on purpose so they could either sign Kirk or hurt his value in FA. SMH

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[quote=WillH;1189351]Yeah, you guys are going over board with the WR conspiracy here.

I think they made the right decision not overpaying for aging talent, but then they whiffed in FA. This was exacerbated by Doctson's need for development, Reed and Thompson injuries, and Cousin's unwillingness to take shots to the developing WRs during practice, Perine not being a gem, etc.

No I'm sorry that is just too logical, it must be that the team tanked on offense on purpose so they could either sign Kirk or hurt his value in FA. SMH

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Yes. Thank you!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1189339]Imagine if you will, An NFC conference championship game in the near future. Minnesota vs Washington, Cousins vs Smith. Game on the line, 2 minutes to go. Tied 20-20.

and the power goes out.[/quote]

lol i wonder who would fold first, Kirk or our defense........... tough choice.

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Bomani Jones on Lebatard "After speaking to film guys, they all said Jay Gruden was most responsible for the stats and success of Kirk"

That speaks highly about Jay

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1189377]Bomani Jones on Lebatard "After speaking to film guys, they all said Jay Gruden was most responsible for the stats and success of Kirk"

That speaks highly about Jay[/quote]

its possible and hey, they would know better than me ... jays playcalling - or overall decisions more likely -- REALLY bother me sometimes, though.

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Andy Dalton hasn’t been the same since he left. Jay knows QBs and he knows how to run an offense. I’m sure he had a big say in getting Alex here.

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[quote=MTK;1189379]Andy Dalton hasn’t been the same since he left. Jay knows QBs and he knows how to run an offense. I’m sure he had a big say in getting Alex here.[/quote]


It's just a perfect fit for both Alex Smith and Jay Gruden in my opinion. I mentioned it long before Alex was even going to be available that if I had my choice of possible FA to replace Kirk, I'd choose Alex Smith (I'm going to have to go back and find that post!)

I think learning under Andy Reid will also be a plus for Alex.

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[QUOTE=metalskins;1189380]It's just a perfect fit for both Alex Smith and Jay Gruden in my opinion. I mentioned it long before Alex was even going to be available that if I had my choice of possible FA to replace Kirk, I'd choose Alex Smith (I'm going to have to go back and find that post!)



I think learning under Andy Reid will also be a plus for Alex.[/QUOTE]


There should be a lot of similarities in the two offenses verbiage wise and with WC concepts, should be a smooth transition.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1189379]Andy Dalton hasn’t been the same since he left. Jay knows QBs and he knows how to run an offense. I’m sure he had a big say in getting Alex here.[/QUOTE]No. Bruce and Danny clearly aren't done messing with Cousins, first it was letting all the talent around him go last year and purposely signing Pryor to make Cousins look bad, then they lied about giving him a real negotiable contract last year too the media, Jay was probably calling plays to make Cousins look bad too but was so incompetent that it turned pit looking good, and now they've signed another old QB from Reid just to spite Cousins and without Grudens input, it's the Shanahan situation all over. They'll go all offense in the draft and FA this year to make it look like the right decision. Don't be surprised if they don't send someone to hit him in the knee with a lead pipe while they're at it.

#RedskinsFansPTSDAnonymous

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[URL="http://https://twitter.com/Russellmania621/status/969581797129506816"]http://https://twitter.com/Russellmania621/status/969581797129506816[/URL]

This throw says it all about #11

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1189512][URL="https://twitter.com/Russellmania621/status/969581797129506816"]http://https://twitter.com/Russellmania621/status/969581797129506816[/URL]

This throw says it all about #11[/quote]

[URL="https://twitter.com/Russellmania621/status/969581797129506816"]https://twitter.com/Russellmania621/status/969581797129506816[/URL]

yours was a bad link


But that throw was against the Browns :(

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1189516][URL="https://twitter.com/Russellmania621/status/969581797129506816"]https://twitter.com/Russellmania621/status/969581797129506816[/URL]

yours was a bad link


But that throw was against the Browns :([/quote]

Thx man and yeah but still lol

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1189517]Thx man and yeah but still lol[/QUOTE]It was definitely a threading the needle dart. Hope to see lots of those!!!

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Cousins would have got sacked or threw it right to one of the Browns guys.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1189527]Cousins would have got sacked or threw it right to one of the Browns guys.[/QUOTE]Can't wait to see how our red zone improves with AS. I think it will be the one single biggest positives going forward.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1189556]Can't wait to see how our red zone improves with AS. I think it will be the one single biggest positives going forward.[/quote]

Why? Other than last year which appears to be the anomaly of his last 5 years, Smith has not shown to be a points scoring machine. Is his ratio of drives-td's better than Kirks? I'm not seeing it. Biggest positive will be him not turning over the ball as much IMO.

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[quote=mooby;1189564]Why? Other than last year which appears to be the anomaly of his last 5 years, Smith has not shown to be a points scoring machine. Is his ratio of drives-td's better than Kirks? I'm not seeing it. Biggest positive will be him not turning over the ball as much IMO.[/quote]

Considering how many yards he throws for Cousins isn't an exactly a scoring machine either. Last two years he was 3rd and 7th in yardage, while the Redskins were 12th and 16th in points. Last I checked the team with the most points still wins.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1189567]Considering how many yards he throws for Cousins isn't an exactly a scoring machine either. Last two years he was 3rd and 7th in yardage, while the Redskins were 12th and 16th in points. Last I checked the team with the most points still wins.[/quote]
Sometimes a QB needs the running backs to run and the receivers to catch and blockers to block to have good statistics.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1189569]Sometimes a QB needs the running backs to run and the receivers to catch and blockers to block to have good statistics.[/QUOTE] Some even need a defense to give them the ball back and special teams to set them in a better position than 1st and 10 from their own 8... crazy!

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[url]https://www.milehighreport.com/2018/3/3/17075724/kirk-cousins-contract-three-year-deal-90-million-guarantees[/url]

Rumor: Kirk Cousins is seeking three-year deal with $90 million in guarantees

Guy is not even a top 10 qb but wants to be paid like he is the best.

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I do too. So what?

I really don't get the hate. He can price himself and negotiate how he wants.

For a union guy, you seem really anti labor when it comes to Kirk.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1189591]I do too. So what?

I really don't get the hate. He can price himself and negotiate how he wants.

For a union guy, you seem really anti labor when it comes to Kirk.[/QUOTE]Being union does not mean being unrealistic.

I don't I just have no respect for him.

The same as I have no respect for guys in my union who want raises at the expense of other workers.

The other thing he and his agent can go on about being Christian but greed is not a Christian quality.

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[quote=Dan73;1189592]Being union does not mean being unrealistic.

I don't I just have no respect for him.

The same as I have no respect for guys in my union who want raises at the expense of other workers.

The other thing he and his agent can go on about being Christian but greed is not a Christian quality.

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He is greedy because you don't like him.

Is Zach Brown greedy? He hasn't taken what the team offered yet. If he would agree to a lower contract we could pay a RB1 more.

Everybody in professional sports negotiates the best contract they can for themselves. Being able to sell one's skills for a fair market price has nothing to do with being a Christian.

And btw, a fair market price is whatever 1 of 32 NFL teams is willing to pay.

Haters gonna hate...

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I hope he gets ALL the money and wrecks the cap for whoever he signs with. Hopefully a team in the NFC

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1189596]He is greedy because you don't like him.

Is Zach Brown greedy? He hasn't taken what the team offered yet. If he would agree to a lower contract we could pay a RB1 more.

Everybody in professional sports negotiates the best contract they can for themselves. Being able to sell one's skills for a fair market price has nothing to do with being a Christian.

And btw, a fair market price is whatever 1 of 32 NFL teams is willing to pay.

Haters gonna hate...[/QUOTE]No he is greedy because he doesn't care about the team just himself and the money.

Brown wanting top 3 money is a bit much. He may get it from Miami.

How one conducts themselves and their business shows if they are what they claim to be.

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[quote=Dan73;1189599]No he is greedy because he doesn't care about the team just himself and the money.

Brown wanting top 3 money is a bit much. He may get it from Miami.

How one conducts themselves and their business shows if they are what they claim to be.

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Is anybody wanting top money not greedy?

Awesome approach to pro sports fandom. Wish I was there.

Keep it going as long as possible. I was crushed when I found out it was my mom leaving the presents under the tree.

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[QUOTE=Dan73;1189590][url]https://www.milehighreport.com/2018/3/3/17075724/kirk-cousins-contract-three-year-deal-90-million-guarantees[/url]

Rumor: Kirk Cousins is seeking three-year deal with $90 million in guarantees

Guy is not even a top 10 qb but wants to be paid like he is the best.

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Jimmy G isn’t the best, neither was Stafford or Carr before him. You do realize you don’t have to be the best to cash in right?

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[QUOTE=MTK;1189602]Jimmy G isn’t the best, neither was Stafford or Carr before him. You do realize you don’t have to be the best to cash in right?[/QUOTE]Jimmy G impacted his team.

Carr looked like QB who could carry his team.

Stafford is like Cousins people talk about his numbers but wins are what matter and throwing you Megatron helped.

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[quote=Dan73;1189604]Jimmy G impacted his team.

Carr looked like QB who could carry his team.

Stafford is like Cousins people talk about his numbers but wins are what matter and throwing you Megatron helped.

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So if a player is good, in your eyes, they can demand top money and not be greedy?

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1189606]So if a player is good, in your eyes, they can demand top money and not be greedy?[/QUOTE]If a player hurts his team with his contract and demands more because someone else got paid it is greed.

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