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[quote=FrenchSkin;1314306][B]Not knowing much about college football I'll have to trust you on that.[/B]
But I get the feeling MLB may be the hardest defensive position to learn in the NFL, you're making the calls, you have to know all other 10 players's assignment, and read both an NFL passing offense and an NFL run blocking scheme.
I also feel like you never want to be in a position to have to reach, and to me with no pre draft signing this is such a need that they would almost have to, unless they are in continuous contact with available FA MLBs interested to sign here after the draft...[/quote]

I'm no college expert myself unless they played for FSU. Even then, I'm still no expert, but have a better chance of being right.

But, they (LB prospects) all might suck, because college isn't the pro's. But there definitely is a lot of potential to find a starting MLB in the top half of the draft imo.

I'd rather pick a MLB in the 1st 4 rounds and hope he is a baller, than move Holcomb to MLB, where I don't think he plays the best.

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if we move or keep holcomb at MLB that,s fine but we still need another startling LB b/c there isn,t any on team right now

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1314272]Coach Ron Rivera: 'Tired' of Washington Commanders being 'easy target,' but winning is the fix

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33622015/tired-washington-commanders-being-easy-target-way-fix-winning[/url][/quote]

Ron had no idea what he was getting himself into taking the Washington job.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1314315]Ron had no idea what he was getting himself into taking the Washington job.[/quote]

I'd find that almost impossible to believe. NFL execs/coaches/agents, etc are a tight knit circle. Everyone talks, everyone would be well aware of what goes on here. Snyder has two decades in this league under his belt, nothing should come as a big surprise. And he consulted with Gibbs who I'm sure behind closed doors would give an honest coach to coach opinion.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1314308]I'm no college expert myself unless they played for FSU. Even then, I'm still no expert, but have a better chance of being right.

But, they (LB prospects) all might suck, because college isn't the pro's. But [B]there definitely is a lot of potential to find a starting MLB in the top half of the draft imo.[/B]

I'd rather pick a MLB in the 1st 4 rounds and hope he is a baller, than move Holcomb to MLB, where I don't think he plays the best.[/quote]

Idk ... after seeing how hard it is to transition from College to NFL at MLB, Id rather fill that spot with a vet FA and use 1st round picks on positions that can step in and contribute right away and are expensive to fill in FA (WR, T, QB, CB, Edge)

Right now you could add one of the best inside LBs in Bobby Wagner as your MLB for 11m/1 year.

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[quote=SunnySide;1314333]Idk ... after seeing how hard it is to transition from College to NFL at MLB, Id rather fill that spot with a vet FA and use 1st round picks on positions that can step in and contribute right away and are expensive to fill in FA (WR, T, QB, CB, Edge)

Right now you could add one of the best inside LBs in Bobby Wagner as your MLB for 11m/1 year.[/quote]

We only have about $10M available right now and who knows if he would even want to come here.

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[quote=SunnySide;1314333]Idk ... after seeing how hard it is to transition from College to NFL at MLB, Id rather fill that spot with a vet FA and use 1st round picks on positions that can step in and contribute right away and are expensive to fill in FA (WR, T, QB, CB, Edge)

[B]Right now you could add one of the best inside LBs in Bobby Wagner as your MLB for 11m/1 year.[/B][/quote]

Some people here want a top notch player for way less in compensation than he is worth to this team. Frankly, I don't think Bobby Wagner would want to come here but, if he would listen, I would offer him as much as $15m for 1 year with a team option for a second year because this man could do more to elevate our defense and team than any other player that is currently available.

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[quote=MTK;1314335]We only have about $10M available right now and who knows if he would even want to come here.[/quote]

I think the likes of Bobby Wagner and the Honey Badger are still free agents because they may be asking for too much money. And they are probably looking at specific teams as well.

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[quote=MTK;1314335]We only have about $10M available right now and who knows if he would even want to come here.[/quote]

Yeah with our current cap, even the bump we get post June 1, id rather use it to extend Terry and find a more affordable vet option at MLB.

I was speaking more in general terms.

Theres positions you can fill in FA for pretty decent decent value (G, C, LB, RB)

Other positions are so much more expensive in FA (QB, WR, CB, T)

LB is kinda middle ground for me. Good ones cost money in FA, not WR/QB/CB/T money but more than G/C/RB.

Im starting to think MLB is a hard jump from college to NFL and you might better be served adding a vet MLB through FA who has already acclimated to the position

vs taking a MLB in the first round, then coaching him up for 1-3 years.

MLB might be the hardest position to go from college to NFL. At QB at least your coaching staff can manage a playbook to a rookie QBs strengths. As a rookie MLB, offensive coordinators get to call the plays and target your weaknesses.

ikd just watching Jamin Davis has been somewhat eye opening

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1314340]Some people here want a top notch player for way less in compensation than he is worth to this team. Frankly, I don't think Bobby Wagner would want to come here but, if he would listen, I would offer him as much as $15m for 1 year with a team option for a second year because this man could do more to elevate our defense and team than any other player that is currently available.[/quote]

He wants a 11m 1 year deal reportedly.

Is visiting Rams soon. Cowboys on radar.

Agreed, I dont think at 32 he wants to come here but C.R.E.A.M. .. but we dont have the cap space to over pay.

It was nice to envision him as a target early in FA but the book seems to be closed and im fine with that.

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Thing is with Jamin Davis, he was never advertised as a plug and play guy. We knew he was going to be a project simply based on his lack of experience coming out of college. Couple that with tossing him into the deep end having to learn MLB and that's a tough ask for any rookie. We shouldn't shy away from taking a rookie MLB based on what we've seen from JD.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1314306][B]Not knowing much about college football[/B] I'll have to trust you on that.
But I get the feeling MLB may be the hardest defensive position to learn in the NFL, you're making the calls, you have to know all other 10 players's assignment, and read both an NFL passing offense and an NFL run blocking scheme.
I also feel like you never want to be in a position to have to reach, and to me with no pre draft signing this is such a need that they would almost have to, unless they are in continuous contact with available FA MLBs interested to sign here after the draft...[/quote]

The fan experience for football is fun, but the games are brutal to watch the talent differential even in conference is usually extreme.

Watching a typical BCS is like watching a grand prix between a Ferrari Modena and Renault Avantime. When a BCS team plays FCS team forget it that Ferrari might as well be racing a Vespa Primavera

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[quote=MTK;1314335]We only have about $10M available right now and who knows if he would even want to come here.[/quote]

So, it's up to Ron Rivera to get him to listen and to make enough cap space available to sign him.

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[quote=MTK;1314345]Thing is with Jamin Davis, he was never advertised as a plug and play guy. We knew he was going to be a project simply based on his lack of experience coming out of college. Couple that with tossing him into the deep end having to learn MLB and that's a tough ask for any rookie. We shouldn't shy away from taking a rookie MLB based on what we've seen from JD.[/quote]

Agreed. Jamin started for 1 year plus.

Lloyd is a 3 year starter, Dean 2 years.

I might be a bit jaded re rookie MLB due to Jamin Davis experience. Who can still be a baller, physical traits are there.

100% not giving up on Davis.

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[quote=SunnySide;1314348]Agreed. Jamin started for 1 year plus.

Lloyd is a 3 year starter, Dean 2 years.

I might be a bit jaded re rookie MLB due to Jamin Davis experience. Who can still be a baller, physical traits are there.

100% not giving up on Davis.[/quote]

+1

JD was obviously not ready for MLB, but I hope settling in on the weak side this year playing with someone who has experience at MLB - guessing it's gonna be through the draft unless we get a late FA signing will help. But we obviously still gotta do something at MLB.

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I don't think it was JD fault, just a massive oversight by the FO to expect him to come into a position after 1 year of college and to make the calls for an NFL D, rather than bringing in an established veteran and letting JD learn at WLB. One of the keys to this team winning is having a good defence and that starts with the MLB making adjustments and alignments. Using another pick on a MLB this years means at best he will be on a learning curve for the first half of the season.

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPGqSqsXwAMK0Q2?format=jpg&name=4096x4096[/IMG]

YOOO These are FIRE

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1314359]YOOO These are FIRE[/quote]

Is that image 20,000 x 10,000? My computer almost caught fire trying to process that one lol.

I like the helmets, the rest could be improved imo. Put a stripe on the pant legs.

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Yeah, pants or socks need stripes

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[quote=SunnySide;1314343]Yeah with our current cap, even the bump we get post June 1, id rather use it to extend Terry and find a more affordable vet option at MLB.

I was speaking more in general terms.

Theres positions you can fill in FA for pretty decent decent value (G, C, LB, RB)

Other positions are so much more expensive in FA (QB, WR, CB, T)

LB is kinda middle ground for me. Good ones cost money in FA, not WR/QB/CB/T money but more than G/C/RB.

Im starting to think MLB is a hard jump from college to NFL and you might better be served adding a vet MLB through FA who has already acclimated to the position

vs taking a MLB in the first round, then coaching him up for 1-3 years.

MLB might be the hardest position to go from college to NFL. At QB at least your coaching staff can manage a playbook to a rookie QBs strengths. As a rookie MLB, offensive coordinators get to call the plays and target your weaknesses.

ikd just watching Jamin Davis has been somewhat eye opening[/quote]

Yeah the thing is we were so focused on QBs and WRs big $ contracts going through the roof we didn't realize that LBs contracts took quite the bump too.
Maybe I'm mistaken but I feel like not so long ago it was quite an underpaid position (Maybe [B]Schneed[/B]'s memory can help me out there ?)... Now [URL="https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/sort-value/inside-linebacker/limit-100/"]per spotrac[/URL], only for inside LB, you have 2 guys at 17M+/y, 2 at 14M+/y and a couple more around 10M/y...

Point being, Bobby Wagner coming of 18M/y is probably not a viable option... [URL="https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/inside-linebacker/all/"]But what about Schobert, Hitchens, Hightower, Van Noy, Minter, Kwon Alexander, Alec Ogletree etc...[/URL] They're not all getting 15M+/y, are they ?

I think Mooby just made an excellent point for the need of a proven vet: [I]help Davis on his learning curve[/I]. If you're moving Holcomb to MLB this will be a challenge for him, he might be able to do a very decent job because he's smart, but will he be able to give Davis indications/tips when he needs to ?
Moving Holcomb to Mike [I]if we had 2 proven vets as Will and Sam[/I] would be one thing, doing so with a second year player who took some strides but didn't specifically shine last year at WLB and God knows who at SLB is a whole other deal...

Again not saying waiting for after the draft is crazy, but you better have some guys you're confident you can sign !

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Those legit are a top 10 uniform


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There is nothing good about the white uniforms. Absolutely nothing. It's boring, bland and the colors on the numbers don't match the helmet. It's a practice jersey at best.

I was listening to Sheehans podcast and he was talking about the situation w/ the stadium. Md and DC area basically out cause they're not offering any tax money. Va lowered theirs from a billion to 350 million because they're basically bidding against themselves. A Va senator mentioned that the franchise is basically dead.

So Sheehan basically said these are the exact scenarios that made the Chargers move to LA and the Browns becoming the Ravens.

I doubt Snyder would do it but if he got a deal in lets say St Louis and left and we got a new team I would be all for it. He mentioned the new team would be called Warriors and that would be the end of Dan and the Commanders.

Obviously very far fetched but I would be so damn happy if that happened.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1314377]There is nothing good about the white uniforms. Absolutely nothing. It's boring, bland and the colors on the numbers don't match the helmet. It's a practice jersey at best.

I was listening to Sheehans podcast and he was talking about the situation w/ the stadium. Md and DC area basically out cause they're not offering any tax money. Va lowered theirs from a billion to 350 million because they're basically bidding against themselves. A Va senator mentioned that the franchise is basically dead.

So Sheehan basically said these are the exact scenarios that made the Chargers move to LA and the Browns becoming the Ravens.

I doubt Snyder would do it but if he got a deal in lets say St Louis and left and we got a new team I would be all for it. He mentioned the new team would be called Warriors and that would be the end of Dan and the Commanders.

Obviously very far fetched but I would be so damn happy if that happened.[/quote]

+1

White on white is boring. The only half decent thing about that is the helmet, and even the W is boring.

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I honestly don't care about the uniforms. They are fine. Could be better, could be worse.

It's like power rankings - I'll look at them, but they don't mean a damn thing in the grand scheme of things.

The name, the uniform, the logo, the crest...can't please everybody; and with this fan base you can't please the majority.

Just go win games...

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1314382]I honestly don't care about the uniforms. They are fine. Could be better, could be worse.



It's like power rankings - I'll look at them, but they don't mean a damn thing in the grand scheme of things.



The name, the uniform, the logo, the crest...can't please everybody; and with this fan base you can't please the majority.



Just go win games...[/QUOTE]True, name, logo, uniforms are all very subjective things and I always say there's pretty much no point in arguing about it... However, the fact that the numbers' color doesn't match the stripes nor the helmet is just a flat out mistake to me. That's not a preference or taste thing, that's just bad execution IMO.

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I'm a big Logo / uniform guy and please don't let Summo see that blasphemy lol

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1314383]True, name, logo, uniforms are all very subjective things and I always say there's pretty much no point in arguing about it... However, the fact that the numbers' color doesn't match the stripes nor the helmet is just a flat out mistake to me. That's not a preference or taste thing, that's just bad execution IMO.

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Welcome to the Washington commanders, become the dictionary definition of bad execution lol. Mind you that is a photoshop image so colour matching needs to be taken with a grain of salt

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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1314385]Welcome to the Washington commanders, become the dictionary definition of bad execution lol. Mind you that is a photoshop image so colour matching needs to be taken with a grain of salt[/QUOTE]Yeah but from every picture we've seen since the name announcement those away jerseys stand out as not matching any of the other jerseys' colours nor the helmet.
Simply amazing to me.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1314377]There is nothing good about the white uniforms. Absolutely nothing. It's boring, bland and the colors on the numbers don't match the helmet. It's a practice jersey at best.

I was listening to Sheehans podcast and he was talking about the situation w/ the stadium. Md and DC area basically out cause they're not offering any tax money. Va lowered theirs from a billion to 350 million because they're basically bidding against themselves. A Va senator mentioned that the franchise is basically dead.

So Sheehan basically said these are the exact scenarios that made the Chargers move to LA and the Browns becoming the Ravens.

[B]I doubt Snyder would do it but if he got a deal in lets say St Louis and left and we got a new team I would be all for it[/B]. He mentioned the new team would be called Warriors and that would be the end of Dan and the Commanders.

Obviously very far fetched but I would be so damn happy if that happened.[/quote]

I think we ALL would be all for it...but everyone knows whats happened here with Snyder, there isn't a city in the US that would want Snyder there...no matter how hungry they are for an NFL team. Probably his only shot at that would be London maybe. He's here for our lifetime guys...accept it...barring some health reason. He will end up either building a new stadium beside the current one, or just redoing that one.

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the red is wrong. flat out. dumbest idea ever.

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[quote=Meks;1314399]the red is wrong. flat out. dumbest idea ever.[/quote]

It's lighter I agree but they are rebranding, just like the black.. Lets see what they look like in person

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Yes, it's a rebranding, and to me it is no different than the use of alternate uniforms over the past several decades - throwbacks, color rush, color v color, sometimes straight up alternates. I'm fine with them trying new things.

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I think they should hire Summo to tweak their uniforms as he sees fit.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1314419]I think they should hire Summo to tweak their uniforms as he sees fit.[/quote]

I second this.

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THIRD

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Piggybacking off of French's post about Wagner being signed in the around the NFL thread, I just want to add, normally I really don't care about possibly losing a compensatory pick.

However, this year, we are already down 2 picks. And best case scenario for the team this year, means we don't have a 2nd rounder next year.

A 3rd round compensatory pick will be very helpful in restocking the roster with young talent. In addition to how a rookie salary is super cheap, so there will be more money to extend some of our own guys or sign some FA's next year.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1314444]Piggybacking off of French's post about Wagner being signed in the around the NFL thread, I just want to add, normally I really don't care about possibly losing a compensatory pick.

However, this year, we are already down 2 picks. And best case scenario for the team this year, means we don't have a 2nd rounder next year.

A 3rd round compensatory pick will be very helpful in restocking the roster with young talent. In addition to how a rookie salary is super cheap, so there will be more money to extend some of our own guys or sign some FA's next year.[/quote]

I hear you on that, and it does make sense.
That's why the most reasonable part of me just [I]hopes the plan is to sign somebody after the draft.
[/I]
There's just no way for me we go into another season with a depleted LB squad. I'm not saying go all in spending big $ and picks ala Rams, cuz I don't think we're a SB contender yet... but [I]the clock is still ticking[/I], here are the guys who will end their contracts in the few upcoming seasons 2023 McLaurin, Payne, Holcomb, Schweitzer ... 2024 Sweat, WJ3, Curtis, Fuller, McKissick, McCain, Lucas... 2025 CY, Wentz, Roullier, Thomas etc...

Point being, [I]to a certain extent this roster is indeed built to start winning now[/I], if we sign/add a solid LB, we have the most complete roster we've had in years IMO. Yeah they've been [I]underperforming[/I], by a lot, that's why I'm in a bit of a grey zone when it comes to what I think about this coaching staff, but show me the holes on that roster...
Heck we just traded several picks for a QB, no matter what you think of the trade, the plan must be to start winning sooner rather than later.
So I don't see the logic in leaving a gaping hole in your roster in our situation.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1314453]I hear you on that, and it does make sense.
That's why the most reasonable part of me just [I]hopes the plan is to sign somebody after the draft.
[/I]
There's just no way for me we go into another season with a depleted LB squad. I'm not saying go all in spending big $ and picks ala Rams, cuz I don't think we're a SB contender yet... but [I]the clock is still ticking[/I], here are the guys who will end their contracts in the few upcoming seasons 2023 McLaurin, Payne, Holcomb, Schweitzer ... 2024 Sweat, WJ3, Curtis, Fuller, McKissick, McCain, Lucas... 2025 CY, Wentz, Roullier, Thomas etc...

Point being, [I]to a certain extent this roster is indeed built to start winning now[/I], if we sign/add a solid LB, we have the most complete roster we've had in years IMO. Yeah they've been [I]underperforming[/I], by a lot, that's why I'm in a bit of a grey zone when it comes to what I think about this coaching staff, but show me the holes on that roster...
Heck we just traded several picks for a QB, no matter what you think of the trade, the plan must be to start winning sooner rather than later.
So I don't see the logic in leaving a gaping hole in your roster in our situation.[/quote]

I wholeheartedly agree.

I would like to also point out that signing Wagner, Hicks or others would not have affected the compensatory picks as they were cut, not FAs. Some seem to be forgetting this. We need another two LB and I doubt we will be drafting both.

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I wish they had addressed it already, but there's still plenty of time to fix the LB situation, either through the draft or free agency. Other than LB, it's really hard for me to criticize this offseason so far. And, they have done a pretty good job finding contributors after the draft.

2021 for example:
Ereck Flowers
Charles Leno
Bobby McCain
Ricky Seals-Jones

I still trust that they wills shore up this defense, the O-line, and grab another weapon for Wentz between now and September. If so, they could surprise some folks.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1314471]I wish they had addressed it already, but there's still plenty of time to fix the LB situation, either through the draft or free agency. Other than LB, it's really hard for me to criticize this offseason so far. And, they have done a pretty good job finding contributors after the draft.

2021 for example:
Ereck Flowers
Charles Leno
Bobby McCain
Ricky Seals-Jones

I still trust that they wills shore up this defense, the O-line, and grab another weapon for Wentz between now and September. If so, they could surprise some folks.[/quote]

I agree. Rivera and coaches have shown us that they can find productive players after the 1st & 2nd wave of free agency in the last 2 years, so I don't see any reason for us to be concerned this year.