Re: Gibbs still likes how players are selected....ugh
 

Gibbs just doesnt get it. This team needs a GM. I cant think of a successful team that doesnt have one. I know Gibbs says they are going to work harder to improve, what I wish is that they would would smarter instead.

Re: Gibbs still likes how players are selected....ugh
 

[QUOTE=Redskins8588;259990]Everyone is bitching about how the Redskins need a GM, but who is to say that we would get a GM that is worth a damn? I mean look at Matt Millen in Detroit...[/QUOTE]


The system we have now isn't worth a damn. Sure, we could get another Matt Millen, or we could get the next Scott Peoli.

We're closer to Matt Millen right now anyway.

Re: Gibbs still likes how players are selected....ugh
 

[quote=TAFKAS;259980]I think any changes that will be made should be made to the scouting department. Those are the guys going to the different games (pro and college) each week and analyzing potential player pick-ups. Spending the money is not as big an issue as how we spend the money.

I know it won't satisfy people if the same ultimate decision makers are in place but I think whatever "problems" there are with the front office structure are really more at the root level. [I][B]Hiring a GM would be fine, but my guess is it would be nothing more than a ceremonial move to placate all the complainers.[/B][/I][/quote]

Ex-freaking-actly.

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I'm in favor of as little change as possible for next season. If they do bring in a GM I wouldn't expect that person's thinking to be all that different from the current front office setup. As TAFKAS has pointed out I think we could see some changes in the scouting department.

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Gibbs IS the GM for all intents and purposes. That's at the core of his return IMO; he wanted to take on the challenge of picking & coaching players, something he didn't get to do in his first stint. If he wins a super bowl he'd be the first coach/Gm to do so wouldn't he?
I like TAFKAs' post - they hire an asst. to do scouting in February. That seems realistic, but I don't see gibbs giving up power over personel, that's what he came back to do.

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[quote=jsarno;259986]OK, how about hiring a GM with decision making abilities beyond Mr. Gibbs?[/quote]

Yes becasue Gibbs can't do both. He's having enough trouble coaching the team.

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I agree that the scouting dept. needs to be improved, alot. A good GM is not going to have an impact for several years even if he was hired today. I dont have a problem with the current setup, its the scouting and 'slightly' over paying to get some of these players. I think they did learn alot about some of their misstakes, and I truly believe those will not be made again. Also, I think Gibbs will not give as much weight to Williams flawed view of his scheme vs. players mentality.

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This team has needed a GM for a while, and they still need one. There's just too much conflict with coaching players, selecting them, and determining their worth in order to pay them. There has to be one person who is objective, yet motivated to win. Coaches and owners want to win now. A GM would have the ability to take a step back and think like a builder.

If we win the Super Bowl next year, I'll say the same thing, because it's a proven model. No a GM won't suddenly transform our fortunes, but it will help us keep our eye on the ball. We've done everything unde the sun to right the ship except for this one area.

A GM won't solve all the ills of our front office, but it's a good way to have check and balances, control spending, and there's little if any conflict of interest. More than anything though, one person is accountable for the personnel decisions.

If three or four guys are involved, who do you chop when things go awry?

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Gibbs is a great coach, however, he picks a lot of players based on "character" instead of talent. If a young player comes in a shows "redskin" heart and hard work, he would take him over some guy who has an ego and pouts when things go wrong, even though that guy might be twice as talented. And Greg Williams is even worse in this category. A GM would take away those conflicting views as long as he was given enough control. I think Gibbs can shape a player with a bad attitude into a player with a good attitude, since he has that ability, HE IS JOE GIBBS. The key is for someone else to give him the tools that are necessary, since Gibbs and GWilliams can't seem to objectively judge talent.

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If the skins sign a GM, what exactly will Gibbs job be?
i mean, i feel like i'm in Office Space and the Bob's are asking, "what it is exactly, that you do?"

I mean he's hands off the D, he's virtually hands of the O (or at least was...), and with a GM he'd be ceding autonomy on personnel! Seems to me, were this to happen, he'd be nothing more than a figurehead/puppet- guiding he ship in a 5-11 direction...and we'd be no better than the citizens of
Oz willing to believe in the magical wizard.

I'm not saying Gibbs must go, what I am saying, is that we brought him back...paid him a lot of money...let him do his thing, without demanding that he cede control. [FONT=Arial][/FONT]

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[quote=The Zimmermans;260064]Gibbs is a great coach, however, he picks a lot of players based on "character" instead of talent. If a young player comes in a shows "redskin" heart and hard work, he would take him over some guy who has an ego and pouts when things go wrong, even though that guy might be twice as talented. And Greg Williams is even worse in this category. A GM would take away those conflicting views as long as he was given enough control. I think Gibbs can shape a player with a bad attitude into a player with a good attitude, since he has that ability, HE IS JOE GIBBS. The key is for someone else to give him the tools that are necessary, since Gibbs and GWilliams can't seem to objectively judge talent.[/quote]

For all the "character" talk, i've not seen much action. where was it when we let pierce go- who gibbs consistently referred to as a core redskins guy- and signed Brandon Lloyd- who has temper tantrums on the sidelines...while these are just 2 cases, seems to me gibbs talks a big character game, but doesn't back it up...

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another damn thing to bitch about.

Re: Gibbs still likes how players are selected....ugh
 

[quote=BrunellMVP?;260065]If the skins sign a GM, what exactly will Gibbs job be?
i mean, i feel like i'm in Office Space and the Bob's are asking, "what it is exactly, that you do?"

I mean he's hands off the D, he's virtually hands of the O (or at least was...), and with a GM he'd be ceding autonomy on personnel! Seems to me, were this to happen, he'd be nothing more than a figurehead/puppet- guiding he ship in a 5-11 direction...and we'd be no better than the citizens of
Oz willing to believe in the magical wizard.

I'm not saying Gibbs must go, what I am saying, is that we brought him back...paid him a lot of money...let him do his thing, without demanding that he cede control. [/quote]

I'll tell you what he can do. He can spend time with all 3 units. Plus spend more time w/ JC. I'm sorry but this guy Lazor shouldn't be his only coach. He just should not be picking the players. What guy walks off a Nascar team and has full control of an NFL team? It makes no sense.

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I mean, it just seems to me that for a lot of people all they want is to be able to say so and so is the Redskins General Manager.

Joe Gibbs could say "I'd like to announce that we have reorganized our staff and Don Breaux will now serve as general manager. I will still consult with Vinny and Mr. Snyder on personnel decisions, and Don's main task will be to make sure I pick up milk on the way home from work"....and a good amount of fans would just say "Finally! We have a GM!"

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;260075]What guy walks off a Nascar team and has full control of an NFL team? It makes no sense.[/QUOTE]

That's kind of a narrow way of looking at it don't you think? I mean Gibbs has a long history in the NFL. It's not like we're talking about Jeff Gordon walking off NASCAR to take control of an NFL team