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[QUOTE=saden1;275437]You have to be insane not believe burning fossil fuel is bad for the planet. Either that or in the pockets of [URL="http://money.cnn.com/2007/02/02/news/companies/exxon_science/index.htm?cnn=yes"]somebody[/URL].

Too much of anything is bad.[/QUOTE]

I accept that pollution is bad. However, at this point, I do not believe radical measures that would significantly disrupt the economy (and, in turn, cause more waste due to the less efficient trade/commerce methods neccesitated by these measures) on speculation. We could easily destroy the economy (both ours and the world economy) and have minimal or no effect on global warming.

As always, and until more is known, reasonable conservation measures should be taken. Simply cutting down on usage of paper products - i.e. use towels and cloth products instead of paper towels and napkins - would eliminate incredible amounts of fossil fuels. How much trash do you throw out? How much of it is waste paper products? How much of your trash could be replaced by reusable items? Mandatory industrial standards (such as in Kyoto) would simply destroy productivity and, in turn, create more not less waste.

The earth has been here for millions of years and we have been on it for thousands. With reasonable care and foresight, we will both [I]probably[/I] be here for some time more.

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The polar ice caps are melting. Ice that has been frozen for over 10,000 years is melting. Ice the size of small countries is breaking away and floating south, where it will melt completely. That is proof that the average temperature is rising in that area.

The ice caps most likely play an important role in the oceans. Life on Earth could be drastically affected when the ice caps melt away. Don't make it seem like there is no reason to be worried.

That said, we can't do a damn thing about it. So smoke 'em if you've got 'em.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;275498]The polar ice caps are melting. Ice that has been frozen for over 10,000 years is melting. Ice the size of small countries is breaking away and floating south, where it will melt completely. That is proof that the average temperature is rising in that area.

The ice caps most likely play an important role in the oceans. Life on Earth could be drastically affected when the ice caps melt away. Don't make it seem like there is no reason to be worried.

That said, we can't do a damn thing about it. So smoke 'em if you've got 'em.[/quote]
I've heard they are melting some and some say they have even grown sense the 1970's. Where have you seen that ice the size of a small countries are floating away?

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As was stated earlier, there is little dispute that global warming is occurring; the only real dispute is how much human activity affects it.

Obviously, the melting caps is a concern. Will it have dramatic effects on human devolopment? probably yes. Is it the end of the world as we know it? probably not.

Again, humanity and the earth have adapted and modified over thousands (i.e. longer than the caps have been around) of years. The Sahara was once a lush area that supported human life but over the span of ~300-350 years it became desert as the earth changed its rotation (think of that - the Earth changed its axis and human life survived. That is some significant adapting).

Given the vast increase in population and creation of cities - global warming will have significant affect on humanity over time. It is my belief, however, that any number of unknown scientific breakthroughs (neccessity being the mother of invention) will probably prevent the doom and gloom predictions of those milking the tit of global warming fear.

At the same time, perhaps now is not the time to invest in that beachfront property.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;275556]I've heard they are melting some and some say they have even grown sense the 1970's. Where have you seen that ice the size of a small countries are floating away?[/QUOTE]

There have been several recent sighting of large flows breaking away in the news in the past year. Plus, there have been some fairly startling pictures of the retreat of year round ice on several mountains (I think Kilimanjaro in Africa is one of them).

I don't have the links but will post'em if I can find'em.

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[quote=firstdown;275556]I've heard they are melting some and some say they have even grown sense the 1970's. Where have you seen that ice the size of a small countries are floating away?[/quote]


Watch Al Gore's movie and you will see them.

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[quote=mredskins;275560]Watch Al Gore's movie and you will see them.[/quote]
I refuse to watch that movie.

Al Gore really irks me.

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thread title is WRONG. global warming is pretty well accepted as fact - as for what causes it and who to blame for what percentage... well, there are about four million theories on that.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;275559]There have been several recent sighting of large flows breaking away in the news in the past year. Plus, there have been some fairly startling pictures of the retreat of year round ice on several mountains (I think Kilimanjaro in Africa is one of them).

I don't have the links but will post'em if I can find'em.[/quote]

I read an article on Kilimanjaro as well recently. It claims that the rampant deforestation of the immediate and surrounding area's are responsible. It has caused the ground temp to rise because the sun now reaches the ground without any tree's, and............interesting

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[QUOTE=firstdown;275556]I've heard they are melting some and some say they have even grown sense the 1970's. Where have you seen that ice the size of a small countries are floating away?[/QUOTE]

Here are a couple of articles...

"Since 1979, the size of the summer polar ice cap has shrunk more than 20 percent."
[url=http://www.nrdc.org/globalwarming/qthinice.asp]NRDC: Global Warming Puts the Arctic on Thin Ice[/url]

"The ice on the Upsala Glacier today...is retreating at least 180 ft. per year"
[url=http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1176980,00.html]Global Warming Heats Up -- Sunday, Mar. 26, 2006 -- Page 1 -- TIME[/url]

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[quote=RobH4413;275567]I refuse to watch that movie.

Al Gore really irks me.[/quote]

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;275498]The polar ice caps are melting. Ice that has been frozen for over 10,000 years is melting. Ice the size of small countries is breaking away and floating south, where it will melt completely. That is proof that the average temperature is rising in that area.

The ice caps most likely play an important role in the oceans. Life on Earth could be drastically affected when the ice caps melt away. Don't make it seem like there is no reason to be worried.

That said, we can't do a damn thing about it. So smoke 'em if you've got 'em.[/quote]

I have heard scientists say that the Arctic ice IS melting, but the Antarctic ice has gotten thicker. Perhaps the orbit has changed slightly or the axis has adjusted somehow. I don't know HOW that would happen, but it sounds like a reasonable explanation.

You're right though, there's nothing we can do to change this, mainly because there is nothing we did to cause it.

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[quote=mredskins;275560]Watch Al Gore's movie and you will see them.[/quote]

Yeah, because movies are more trustworthy than scientists. :D

Especially movies made by insane people.

I love how every time Gore goes somewhere to speak about his global warming theories and how it's my fault, it's always abnormally snowing or cold. He spoke in New York a few years ago and they had a record blizzard when his speech was scheduled. In Boston, he "brought" record low temps for an event. He went to Australia last year and it snowed for the first time in decades for his speaking engagement.

I think that shows who's in charge of the weather...God. He also has a great sense of humor! :D

[url=http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20770387-5006029,00.html]Al Gore rains on his party | Herald Sun[/url]

^A MUST-READ! :cheeky-sm

Re: Not All Scientist Believe In Global Warming
 

[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;275686]Here are a couple of articles...

"Since 1979, the size of the summer polar ice cap has shrunk more than 20 percent."
[URL="http://www.nrdc.org/globalwarming/qthinice.asp"]NRDC: Global Warming Puts the Arctic on Thin Ice[/URL]

"The ice on the Upsala Glacier today...is retreating at least 180 ft. per year"
[URL="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1176980,00.html"]Global Warming Heats Up -- Sunday, Mar. 26, 2006 -- Page 1 -- TIME[/URL][/quote]
I clicked onto your first site and they circle where ice was but if you look to the left it looks like they forgot the new ice that has formed. I read its melting, getting thicker, is growing etc.. I guess one day we will find out if it happening or not. I know they said in the 70s that we where told abou global cooling.

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[quote=firstdown;275726]I clicked onto your first site and they circle where ice was but if you look to the left it looks like they forgot the new ice that has formed. I read its melting, getting thicker, is growing etc.. I guess one day we will find out if it happening or not. I know they said in the 70s that we where told abou global cooling.[/quote]

Yep.

Timeline of the EnvironMENTAList movement:

1960s - Hey man...pass that over here, dude...
1970s - It's COLD!
1980s - Hey, a volcano!
1990s - It's HOT!
2000s - No, it's not hot, it's cold, now it's hot, now...hey...we'll call it CLIMATE CHANGE to keep getting taxpayer-funded grants so we don't have to get real jobs!