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[quote=GTripp0012;329323]Shockey is pretty awful. He can't block, he doesn't have the best hands, and hes undisciplined. He runs his mouth a lot, and for whatever reason, the media associates that with having skill.

Witten has a very different game than Cooley. Very smart player. It's all about personal preference at TE, but I don't think Witten's skill set is too much different than your run of the mill TE. Certainly in my mind inferior to Cooley's.

I don't think I could make an argument for Cooley over the other 3, (Save of course, "YAC is really REALLY important". It is.) Crumpler's a better blocker, and the other two have really had off the hook production.

I think you are underrating Heap a bit (and obviously Cooley), but its no biggie.[/quote]

the only reason I put Heap under Shockey it's because he get injured 2 much if not Heap would be fifth even fourth I don't like Shockey either i think he's big mouth spoiled brat that can hurt his team more than help but you can't argue his stats 4 years with over 60+ catches 3 season with 6 or more TD 2 season with almsot 900 yards cooley has had oly 1 year with 60+ catches and 3 with 6 or more tds but only 2 seasons with 700+ yards.

I think with V.Davis, Winsow, Cooley and Others this is the last year Shockey would be in a top 5 list but untill that he's the fifth or sixt best.

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[quote=jdlea;329328]Yeah, I agree. There is no scenario in which I put Shockey in the Top 5 best TE's in football. Also, I agree about Witten. I think he's a very nice player, but he's not the same player. I'd take Cooley over him any day of the week.

As for Crumpler, as the primary target of his QB, it's a little unfair to compare the 2. I'd be interested to see a scenario in which Cooley were the primary target (just to see where his production would be, however, I don't wish injury on all the wide outs).[/quote]

What has to intrigue you jdlea is not that he's the primary target of Vicks is that every defensive coordinator every defensive players knows he's the primary target an that vick's going to throw to him and still he post better numbers than cooley and Witten.

That tells you how good he is it's like Gates can you tell me a better receiver in SD he's the primary target still each week he goes out and humiliates every defense

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I'm sure he does get thrown too more, and drops more passes as well.

Do you know where you can find stats for this?

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[quote=12thMan;329264]Eric Edwards? Are you kidding me? Who the f** is Eric Edwards?!

I maintain, I'll take Warpath over 95% of the talking heads.[/quote]

True. The Warpath has a great knowledge base, and way better analysis skills than idiots like Peter King and this rediculous article.

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[quote=RobH4413;329355]I'm sure he does get thrown too more, and drops more passes as well.

Do you know where you can find stats for this?[/quote][URL="http://www.footballoutsiders.com/book.php"]PFP 2007[/URL] will have it...but the release date is still a week away.

Other than that, no, no I do not.

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I dont see how they didnt get in top 5 on that.

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[quote=GTripp0012;329385][URL="http://www.footballoutsiders.com/book.php"]PFP 2007[/URL] will have it...but the release date is still a week away.

Other than that, no, no I do not.[/quote]
Yeah, Shockey sucks. Thanks for the link Gtripp... helped out a lot.

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I wouldnt say Shockey sucks. He is just very inconsistent.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;329411]I wouldnt say Shockey sucks. He is just very inconsistent.[/quote]
I don't literally think he sucks, but initially I was going to say he was over-rated. Then I proceeded to over-rate him myself based on flawed statistics.

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[quote=RobH4413;329414]I don't literally think he sucks, but initially I was going to say he was over-rated. Then I proceeded to over-rate him myself based on flawed statistics.[/quote]


Overreated and inconsistent. Not a good combo.

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Are you guys kidding me! Look at Cooley's production versus Witten and Shockey the past year or so...Cooley is by far a better production TE. He may not be top three, but he sure is hell is at least top 4 or 5.

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I would say that Cooley is the most underrated reciever/TE in the NFL.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;329424]I would say that Cooley is the most underrated reciever/TE in the NFL.[/quote]I'd agree.

Thats really saying something though, he's pretty well respected around the league. It's just that his name doesn't come up when you talk about the leagues best offensive player...and it really should.

Now he's not nearly as valuable as a great QB or a great RB, but hes really dominant with respect to his position.

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[quote=GTripp0012;329435]I'd agree.

Thats really saying something though, he's pretty well respected around the league. It's just that his name doesn't come up when you talk about the leagues best offensive player...and it really should.

Now he's not nearly as valuable as a great QB or a great RB, but hes really dominant with respect to his position.[/quote]


I would say that he has been the most productive, consistent TE in the NFC the last 2 seasons.

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[quote=RobH4413;329414]I don't literally think he sucks, but initially I was going to say he was over-rated. Then I proceeded to over-rate him myself based on flawed statistics.[/quote]I didn't think I'd find much, but check out these catch %'s:

2006-57%
2005-53%
2004-63%
2003-69%
2002-58%

Could Shockey be regressing?