This was the FIRST [B]pre-season[/B] game.

I am beginning to wonder how musch of last year was Spurriers system and how much was Patrick Ramsey holding on to the ball too long? How bout that bum Sean Taylor? Who is Gari Scott looks like one of the posse to me. Defense soft up the middle. O-line looked pretty good. Defense got penetration. I think we will be much improved. Hail to the Redskins, and yes Tim Hasselback was playing third stringers with and against third stringers but he outplayed Ramsey he looked horrible we should have gotten that first round pick, but atleast he got a couple years to unlearn what Spurrier taught him.

[QUOTE=Winskins]LOL...dang that's rough Matty, but I guess it has to be said. But hey, he had the coolness and the timing down... :headbange[/QUOTE]Yeah maybe a bit too rough, I apologize to Shane.

My point is TH was playing against 3rd stringers and guys who won't even make the Broncos team. So let's relax a little bit before we elevate TH to starter status and reserve a plane ticket for him to Hawaii.

TH is a solid backup, don't get me wrong I really like him. He came in last year and played very well under the circumstances. That being said the reality of it is he's an average QB with an average arm. He's a solid #2 or #3 guy.

I'll probably say it over and over this week, with the preseason you can't get too high or too low.

Brunell and Ramsey both struggled, but I honestly expected that. If you expected the offense to come out and light things up your expectation level was unreasonable.

But the Broncos looked good on offense you may say. [i]Of course they did[/i], Shanahan has been with that team for years now, it's an established and successful system and alot of their players know it inside and out. They also don't have the roster turnover we have. Gibbs and company have been in training camp for [u]a week.[/u]

Relax folks and enjoy the ride. It's a long season.

Ramsey has some technical difficulties that last year I attributed to Spurrier, that maybe I need to re-evaluate. Yes, he's been in training camp for one week. But he's been a QB for 2 seasons and still moves like a ice wagon and spends too much time deciding where to throw the ball. Fumbles, overthrown passes and the good 3 and out is reflective of last years season. If Ramsey and Brunell doesn't improve in there performances this saturday against Carolina, Hasselbeck will be asked to start in the next preseason against a first string team. I'm convinced this team must have a spirited leader in the QB position. Not just someone who has a rifle arm. What good is the arm if you're overthrowing the ball ?

OK now we are at what if: If and when TH starts and proves that he can play a role of back up or starter, I could see us trading Ramsey for a tackle. As much as I hate to see Ramsey go I think we would have to fill the need and I dont think we could trade Brunell as easy as Ramsey. But hopefully we wont have to worry about Ramsey not playing well. It was the only the first pre-season game. We dont have to worry about it for a week or so.

[QUOTE=Shane]Hasselbeck does need to show what he can do with the starting team, but with a better supporting cast I think he may play better. Time will tell. I do think his skills are excellent and with Gibbs and company there to teach him, he will only get better. He provides a spark. He is an exciting player, to me. You need your quarterback to be someone who will make things happen.

I'm a Hasselbeck believer right now. I like what I saw from him last year and I thought he was our best quarterback then, especially in light of the pass protection schemes and Ramsey's indecisiveness. We needed a scrambler then. We may need one this year as well.

Hasselbeck is someone you will see in the Pro Bowl at some point. Andy Reid thought very highly of him. Joe Gibbs is making comments.

I'm glad he is a Redskin.[/QUOTE]

Did you see the Dallas game he started last year? With the first team, he completed more passes to Terrence Newman (who is not a Redskin by the way) than to anybody else. Horrific performance, and maybe he did bounce back and play decently later on, but in the biggest game of our year he flat out stunk.

And I agree with Matt, Wuerffel looked awesome in the preseason against the third stringers. But there's a reason he's #3 on the depth chart. He better make sure to stay ahead of Hamdan.

Hasslebeck lit it up against 3rd stringers. Brunell was working against the first string.

I was concerned about how Brunell and Ramsey looked but I think they will improve as the preseason progresses. Remember, Denvers got a pretty damn good D, especially with Lynch and Bailey.

Aside from our run-D at times, I thought our D played pretty decently.

Say whatever you want he played decently last year, and played well again last night he should get a chance to start a preseason game with the starters against another teams starters to see what he can do. I am not saying he is a viable starter but you wont know until he plays with and against starters.

Hmmm... Sultan looked better than Portis last night. Does anyone want to bench Portis and start McCullough??

Ramsey and Brunell will both be fine. Some people are really jumping the gun here.

I am not jumping a gun, just pointing out that he has played well, he did well last year heck nearly half of our whoping 5 wins came under him. He has earned a atleast a honest look. I know in the end brunell and ramsey will be the guys, but it would be unfair in this "open" quarterback competition to not give hasselback his shot.

Who says Gibbs won't give TH a fair shot? Gibbs has had nothing but praise for TH so far.

I just don't think TH starting is realistic, but hey, that's just my opinion.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Hmmm... Sultan looked better than Portis last night. Does anyone want to bench Portis and start McCullough??

Ramsey and Brunell will both be fine. Some people are really jumping the gun here.[/QUOTE]

LOL LOL

Well said, Matty. 100% on target!! TH is getting plenty of reps. Ramsey and Brunell WILL come around. And in the extremely unlikely scenario that they are unable to grasp the new system or get the rust off, TH is being taught, and will get a shot. That is a few weeks away, and several thousand miles from likely.

[QUOTE=Hogskin]LOL LOL

Well said, Matty. 100% on target!! TH is getting plenty of reps. Ramsey and Brunell WILL come around. And in the extremely unlikely scenario that they are unable to grasp the new system or get the rust off, TH is being taught, and will get a shot. That is a few weeks away, and several thousand miles from likely.[/QUOTE]
You know, Scott looked pretty damn good at WR too. Coles job could be in jeopardy!

TH can be a spot starter, he may even be a star one day who knows. But IMO he's just not as good as Brunell or Ramsey. And he did have the luxury of throwing to McCants (our 3rd or 4th wideout) vs. 3rd stringers, I'd say McCants would have the advantage there.

I'm sure TH will get a shot, and I know the top two guys looked rough, but don't forget that Brunell is ranked 11th in all time qb rating. He'll get it together, lest we forget that Gibbs himself chose Brunell. In the end, whoever plays the best will win the job. If TH is that guy and Gibbs chooses him, then we'll all be behind him. But let's let Brunell and Ramsey get a chance to get comfortable, it's a new system, a new coaching staff, and a new season.

Offense is always behind the defense, so I'm unconcerned. We've got four more preseason games to go, so there's plenty of time to find out if TH should be in the mix for the starting job. Right now I'd say heck no, but that's just me.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]You know, Scott looked pretty damn good at WR too. Coles job could be in jeopardy![/QUOTE]

I'm also thinking Coleman over LaVar, he's already got more sacks than LA. And Killings should also get a chance at d-tackle.