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Honestly, I think our rookie WRs will shine initially when Moss is taking double coverage away from them...

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;447133]Honestly, I think our rookie WRs will shine initially when Moss is taking double coverage away from them...[/QUOTE]

I can live with that too. If thats the case it will vary from game to game. For every double team there will be an open WR who can take it to the house.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;447133]Honestly, I think our rookie WRs will shine initially when Moss is taking double coverage away from them...[/quote]

Highly doubtful. The last rookie WR to truly "shine" was Anquan Boldin.

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[quote=Schneed10;447137]Highly doubtful. The last rookie WR to truly "shine" was Anquan Boldin.[/quote]

Marques Colston might disagree. But, of course, you are right that most don't do all that well.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;447133]Honestly, I think our rookie WRs will shine initially when Moss is taking double coverage away from them...[/quote]

Personally, I'm not expecting much from either of these guys this year. Rookie wr's never ever do shit the first year of two. Even Calvin Johnson struggled last year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;447145]Personally, I'm not expecting much from either of these guys this year. Rookie wr's never ever do shit the first year of two. Even Calvin Johnson struggled last year.[/quote]

If by "never ever do shit" you mean don't gain 1,000+ yards then you have some argument. But to say they can't contribute is an overstatement. As stated above, Marques Colson had 1,000+ in 2006; Dwayne Bowe had 900+ last year; and Calvin Johnson had 756 yards and 4 tds (which is disappointing mostly because so much was expected of him, but he was also injured); James Jones had 676 yards; Greg Jennings had 630 yards in 2006; etc. It is possible for rookies to contribute, even shine in spots, and help win some games. If you are expecting 1,200 yards then, yeah, you will end up disappointed.

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I'm thinking in terms of relativity. I'm not saying they'll post 1200+ yards in receiving. I think they'll shine when it comes to comparing other rookie WRs next year. I think one of them will get over 800 yards receiving and a couple TDs.

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[quote=Schneed10;447137]Highly doubtful. The last rookie WR to truly "shine" was Anquan Boldin.[/quote]


Dwayne Bowe
Marques Colston

Both got their shine on as rookies

Re: What this all means for Moss?
 

Moss has been a great player for us overall. Of course he's been hurt & has a propensity to be so, but he's made a lot of big plays & has been a solid team guy. Top wr's are hard to come by, and he may not be a top 5 guy, he's close when healthy.

He needs help & they just got him some. While I don't expect those guys to put up big #s in year 1, if they can have decent rookie years (30-40 catches maybe) then it could help MOss a bit. LIke someone said earlier, they're going to struggle some in this new offense. Maybe mid to late season the rooks will hit their form & the O will come together.

I think the real question is what becomes of Santana & ARE in a year or two if and when Mix, Thomas & Kelly start to play well?

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Has anyone else noticed that Satana Moss makes most of his plays going up for high jump balls? Bare with me a sec, When Brunell was shotputing the ball because he could not throw on a straight line further than 5 yards down the field in 2005 and Collins was lofting the ball at the end of last year Moss was having his biggest impact outplaying DBs for the ball. Cambell's ball is more on a rope and does not give Moss the time to do what he does best, adjust to the ball and go up for the catch. I know injury played a role in Moss's 2007, but I got the feeling that he responded better to Collins' passes that looked like punts than he did to JC's passes that were on a rope 30 yards down the field.

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[quote=DGreene28;447150]Dwayne Bowe
Marques Colston

Both got their shine on as rookies[/quote]

Yeah true that on Colston. Bowe was decent last year, but I wouldn't say "shine".

But even if you count him in there, you had Boldin, then Colston, then Bowe. That's what, 3 WRs in like 5 years? Odds aren't good.

Kelly especially is very raw. I do think that Thomas has a good chance to be the best rookie WR in the league this year. 800 yards is a good target for him. Will that set the league on fire? No. And it won't make us a juggernaut offense, because ARE is going to take a step back.

The only way our passing game really gets cranking is if Moss somehow stays fully healthy and the team gets on the same page with Campbell in a hurry.

In the end, I'm looking at Portis to carry us on his back. In 2010 I'll look for a more dynamic passing game. 2009 is time for growing pains.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;447159]Yeah true that on Colston. Bowe was decent last year, but I wouldn't say "shine".

But even if you count him in there, you had Boldin, then Colston, then Bowe. That's what, 3 WRs in like 5 years? Odds aren't good.

Kelly especially is very raw. I do think that Thomas has a good chance to be the best rookie WR in the league this year. 800 yards is a good target for him. Will that set the league on fire? No. And it won't make us a juggernaut offense, because ARE is going to take a step back.

The only way our passing game really gets cranking is if Moss somehow stays fully healthy and the team gets on the same page with Campbell in a hurry.

In the end, I'm looking at Portis to carry us on his back. In 2010 I'll look for a more dynamic passing game. 2009 is time for growing pains.[/QUOTE]

I agree that Moss needs to play for the passing game to excel. He is the only one with speed that can command a double team and keep the safety honest. At this point I don't think anyone else does. Hopefully the rookies will get there, but we won't know until probably December about that.

I also think the offensive line will be the biggest factor in how we do offensively. If Jansen and Thomas don't come back to their old playing forms then it could be a long season especially if anyone goes down.

Re: What this all means for Moss?
 

Not to sound too much like a broken record, but as long as Santana stays healthy, he's going to have a very productive year.

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By drafting Thomas, Davis, and Kelly, the Redskins sent a message we already received loud and clear ... we needed better depth at wide receiver, Jason Campbell needed bigger targets (particularly for the red zone), and we should not count on Moss being healthy. That said, I think Moss is still capable of being pretty dominant when healthy. Moss is a fast and agile and has great ball skills.

I would think that Moss will have a 1,000+ yard season, but Antwaan and Cooley will see their production will drop slightly. Jason can only spread the ball around so much.

Re: What this all means for Moss?
 

[quote=GhostSkins;447158]Has anyone else noticed that Satana Moss makes most of his plays going up for high jump balls? Bare with me a sec, When Brunell was shotputing the ball because he could not throw on a straight line further than 5 yards down the field in 2005 and Collins was lofting the ball at the end of last year Moss was having his biggest impact outplaying DBs for the ball. Cambell's ball is more on a rope and does not give Moss the time to do what he does best, adjust to the ball and go up for the catch. I know injury played a role in Moss's 2007, but I got the feeling that he responded better to Collins' passes that looked like punts than he did to JC's passes that were on a rope 30 yards down the field.[/quote]
Well it seemed that all of our WR's played better for Collins. JC while he did improve last year still seemed to over throw his longer passes and under throw the shorter stuff. JC also I think in some games would lock onto a WR and miss the open player down field. When we lost to the Giants I was at the game and even my wife noticed in 1/2 dozen or more plays we had someone wide open which JC just did not see. Moss also had a game or two where he just could not hang on to the football which I think he was trying to hard to play and not rlying on his natural ability.