Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

[quote=44ever;523110]agreed but. He backed it up with nice skills. Plus they're all saying the "right things" right now.

What do you think we should do with him GMScud?[/quote]

I don't know. I'm torn. I think he's a very good player, but not a great one. I think his brief time in Oakland was a debacle, and his only redemption was a few solid games for us.

It really is a game of inches, too - that INT he had against Dallas was thrown right to him by Romo, and I can't help but wondering how eager Skins fans would be to sign him if DeSean Jackson hadn't dropped that ball in the corner of the endzone when he had Hall beat.

The real issue IMO is our other corners, and I think that is ultimately how the decision should be made on Hall. We don't have the luxury of drafting a starting caliber corner this year, Springs is aging, injury prone, and has a huge cap number, Smoot is awful, and Carlos wants a contract or a trade. So we're in a pickle. We may not have much of a choice except to keep Hall, unless we want a big drop off in production from our secondary.

Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

Whatever we think about Hall, the premise of this thread is just wierd. Why would anyone complain about Vinny trying to save money on players?

We do all understand that cap space = opportunity to sign other players, right? I don't need to launch into a giant salary cap lecture, do I?

Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

Our corner situation could drop us from one of the best secondaries to a huge question mark. Meet him in the middle.

Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

[quote=Schneed10;523115]Whatever we think about Hall, the premise of this thread is just wierd. Why would anyone complain about Vinny trying to save money on players?

We do all understand that cap space = opportunity to sign other players, right? I don't need to launch into a giant salary cap lecture, do I?[/quote]

We understand that, but sometimes you keep a productive player over signing a guy that might be able to come in and follow his assignments half of the time when someone's out for a few drives (of course that might be exaggerated, but there can still only be 53 guys on the roster)

Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

[quote=Schneed10;523115]Whatever we think about Hall, the premise of this thread is just wierd. Why would anyone complain about Vinny trying to save money on players?

We do all understand that cap space = opportunity to sign other players, right? I don't need to launch into a giant salary cap lecture, do I?[/quote]

Hahaha, I was thinking the same thing. We always gripe about overpaying, now we're trying to be somewhat reasonable and it's a problem suddenly? Let's not forget BigHairedAristocrat seems to have a pretty negative view about most Skins-related stuff. I like how he puts the phrase "low-balling" in quotes, yet he was the one who said it in the first place.

Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

If he's getting anything it should be an incentive laced deal. No way I'd pay him a huge contract after getting cut from the Raiders and playing half a season. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a fat deal from the Skins though, this is still a team owned by Snyder after all.

Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;523105]I wouldn't go overboard for him, because that will definitely set the bar for Rodgers, and if I had to choose, I would keep Rodgers. At 12 Million maybe they hope to be able to keep both,which would be the best situation personnel wise.[/quote]

I would love to see that happen, to see them sign both at about $12m each

Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

His whole crap in Oakland is BS. He did not fit the system so they bash him. He did fairly well previously and did well for us so I don't count the Raiders.

As far as gauranteed money? I think it all depends on how much is in the contract and for how long. Perhaps they are offering him 40 mill for 4-5 yrs which is 10 mill more then we have been offering most contracted people especially CB's and WR's, but they lowered his gaurenteed money from 16mill to 12 mill. I don't have a problem with that. I think it all depends on how they tweek the contract. Now if they offered the same typical contract as ARE, Lloyd, Archeletta, 30 mill and for what 4-6 yrs and who knows what gaurenteed then no not fair.

I'm glad Vinny/Snyder are actually thinking about their pockets now so long as the Skins have the rights to try and match any other team who comes up with something better.

Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

I just don't understand why we're going to let Rogers walk or trade him and keep only Hall. I mean are we thinking that Springs can make it through one more season before we draft another corner. I know it's been back and forth on how people feel, but Rogers, dropped interceptions aside is a very, very good corner.

Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

[quote=44ever;523098]Typical Skins neg. They'll pay a guy from somewhere else BIG. But low ball their own. "Self sabotage mentality"[/quote]

Wait, he plays for us half a season and somehow he's our own?! Carlos, yes. He's homegrown and, if in the plans, should get a quality offer. Hall? The Raiders were already fleeced for his services - So we should repeat their mistake? This is not someone who has shown that he has a tradition of "team first".

If we can lock him up cheap, great. If not, hasta la vista baby!

Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

This is not low-balling Hall at all. He is not that good in coverage. He gets burned all the time, but he does have good ball skills. Rogers is a much better tackler and cover corner, he just cant catch and he has better character. If we have to get rid of one of them, I would rather it be Hall.

Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

For me, I'm OK with leaving a little bit of a hole if it means we can keep our homegrown talent like Rogers. With limited draft picks this year we need to look at some true blue chip talent with that 13rd round pick. Last year, moving back was definitely feasible. While the draft is truly a crap shoot, there is some great talent at the Skins areas of need, namely along the defensive and offensive lines that will be available.

I don't want us trading pick to pick up a second tier OL, CB, or LB when we have the pick sitting in our laps...

Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

It's looking more and more now like we're going to go into 2009 with Hall, Smoot, and Tryon as our top 3 corners. Not the worse drop off but heres to hoping that Smoot works hard this offseason so we can get at least one more good year from him. My only concern though is giving the front office an out to go after another Corner through the draft.

Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

[quote=steveo395;523126]This is not low-balling Hall at all. He is not that good in coverage. He gets burned all the time, but he does have good ball skills. Rogers is a much better tackler and cover corner, he just cant catch and he has better character. If we have to get rid of one of them, I would rather it be Hall.[/quote]

I agree. We can get more in the long run for Carlos. We've got him on contract for next year regardless. I would see who's available before I'd sign Hall. I'd rather have a crap load of Camp Fodder to bring in an undrafted rookie who is a better cover than to sign Hall.
Then again I'd rather lose a season or two to rebuild the team. Hall isn't taking us to the promise land and we can ill afford to draft another CB right now.

Re: Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;523128][B]It's looking more and more now like we're going to go into 2009 with Hall, Smoot, and Tryon as our top 3 corners. Not the worse drop off[/B] but heres to hoping that Smoot works hard this offseason so we can get at least one more good year from him. My only concern though is giving the front office an out to go after another Corner through the draft.[/quote]That's a HUGE dropoff IMO.
Springs can rarely stay healthy thru a whole year, and Smoot's no iron man out there. Plus, God only knows about Tryon.
I don't see why we are just assuming that Rogers isn't here next year? Is his contract up or will he be an UFA after next season so we're just hoping to get something for him while we can?