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If the Titans do wind up getting a pick from the Skins, we can consider that a trade (of a 4th, 5th or 6th rounder?) for Haynesworth with a fat contract extension. It's well worth it in my opinion. Plus that's how the Skins usually do business anyway.

HAIL!!

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Again, there's obviously no tangible evidence to prove tampering, because Haynesworth signed with us. The reason the 49ers got hit with tampering is because once Lance Briggs re-upped with the Bears, they can interview him about events that occurred prior to him hitting free agency. Thus, hard evidence that contact between team and player occurred.

Short of getting an admission of wrongdoing by the Redskins from Haynesworth or Speck, you just have allegations of wrongdoing by Snyder. Haynesworth's paycheck is Speck's primary meal ticket as well, so good luck NFL getting anything more than a hunch of foul play here.

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Of course, people are always going to believe the Redskins tampered here. Just like people will always believe the Dolphins tampered with Justin Smiley the year before. But, again, it's only reasonable suspicion, not actual proof.

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[quote=SkinzzFan;559329]If the Titans do wind up getting a pick from the Skins, we can consider that a trade (of a 4th, 5th or 6th rounder?) for Haynesworth with a fat contract extension. It's well worth it in my opinion. Plus that's how the Skins usually do business anyway.

HAIL!![/quote]

I don't know about "well worth it" yet. The season hasn't started & so therefore he hasn't had a chance to earn his check (not that that matters around here). I would have liked to see that money spent more wisely...like on OL depth. But, we will see what happens. The way we have studded up our DL this off-season, the acquisition of AH should catapult us into the #1 defense spot easily & hopefully we will actually get more then 2 sacks every 5 games.

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[quote=Ruhskins;559297]This tampering business will not end until players and agents are punished by the league. Now the league wants to make an example out of the Redskins, since they are so high profiled by the media. Meanwhile, [b]Parcells signed a free agent last year at 12:30am, and nothing was made of it.[/b] The league really needs to fix this by punishing agents and players (as well as the teams), and also beginning the free agency period sooner.[/quote]

Excellent point! How is it possible that he could sign someone in half an hour if he didn't have previous contact?
To me, it's not tampering...they have minds of their own, they can choose not to accept a deal and to look around, how is it tampering to look into a player "early". It wasn't formal, so who cares? This is just being picky.
So what if a team employee was a friend of a player on another team, and while they were drinking beer and playing pool one night, the team employee suggested the player sit out to try to get a contract extension? Is that tampering?

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I think the Titans should have to prove that Haynesworth would have signed with another team if we had not allegedly contacted him. Proving that would be almost impossible but what other ways could they accuse us? It is all so broad...

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Hopefully the agent and the skins deleted all their phone calls text messages whatever and as for rock cartwright talking about it on the radio, he should say he mispoke ...and by the way we already have this thread open

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[quote=vallin21;559298]I'm not surprised. When we did this thread in early March I said the league would probably investigate this, but the league has greater issues than to investigate this. The NFL is doing this to simply because the Titans keep bitching about how AH left their team and are looking for some kind of refund for not signing AH sooner. [B]IF[/B] we get caught, the most they can take from us is a draft pick. I highly doubt anything will come out of it.

GET OVER IT TITANS FANS.....

ITS OVER :bdh:[/quote]
Its a no lose situation for the Titans, complain until the NFL either tells them to drop it or they get "compensation" from the Skins. If they get nothing, they lose nothing but phone calls, toner and a few sheets of paper.

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I think the Titans need to wake up. [B]"IF"[/B] AH wanted to remain a Titan he would have signed whatever they offered. He did not so only a couple of things come to mind. He either wanted more money which they failed to offer or he wanted out of Tenn.

I like Gtripps plann, but hopefully the plan still leaves it up to the player to decide of the wants to go to a new team.

Yes our owner had a dinner with the very same agent Kelly has and AH has. I guess the Titans are hoping the NFL cops will pull in the agent and he will say "Oh yeah, we talked about AH all over dinner and what it would take to get him to come to the Skins." or when they call DS in he will say "Yeah we discussed whether AH would be interested in coming to the Skins and the agent was satisfied." That aint going to happen. I presume if they call AH in he's going to say that he had no knowledge of what was discussed cause he was not present. He simply wanted to wait and see if he could get a better offer.

It's not like we signed him at 12:01am. Three hours later AH was signed. That's with us already having a half decent contract ready, a fax of said contract or e-mail, a counter offer with in reason, and all parties agreeing. All that could have been done within an hour. Now maybe the Skins called at 12:01 am and said heres our offer, is there anything AH is demanding to be in the contract? quickly fix it and all parties could sign. Done with in a half hour.

The contracts are pretty standard. No different then divorces. The issue comes down to money and if DS offered that large sum to me ....guess what....I'm a Skin.

I guess if I was a Titan player I would be pissed. The team is acting like we took their only valuable player, their only piece to the SB puzzle. Now that AH is gone they have no team so they are now looking for tampering. "We are loosers now cause we lost AH."

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The evidence is Snyder was openly having dinner w/ AH's agent before FA started. I mean what else were they talking about? Everyone knows they talking contact/numbers. Let's not kid ourselves. I doubt anyone can prove what they were discussing but Snyder has to be smarter than that.

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[quote=skinsfan69;559385]The evidence is Snyder was openly having dinner w/ AH's agent before FA started. I mean what else were they talking about? Everyone knows they talking contact/numbers. Let's not kid ourselves. I doubt anyone can prove what they were discussing but Snyder has to be smarter than that.[/quote]

It's called plausible deniability. Haynesworth's agent represents at least one other player on the Redskins. Even though everyone knows exactly what that dinner was about, there's simply no way to prove it. Unless Snyder, the agent, or Haynesworth admits to it, or there is some kind of recorded phone call or email, this will go away.

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In an ACTUAL case that involved tampering, the Miami Dolphins had to forfeit their first round draft pick the next year - - it did not go to the team who was the "tampering victim.


The object of the tampering? Coach Don Shula.


Shula was the head coach of the Colts when the Dolphins tampered with him - - according the an NFL investigation.


However, the "price" back then was the loss of a first round pick. That is not something trivial.

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[quote=Ruhskins;559297]This tampering business will not end until players and agents are punished by the league. Now the league wants to make an example out of the Redskins, since they are so high profiled by the media. Meanwhile, Parcells signed a free agent last year at 12:30am, and nothing was made of it. The league really needs to fix this by punishing agents and players (as well as the teams), and also beginning the free agency period sooner.[/quote]

Either that or allow talks after the team is out or season is over, but all access must be done with a rep from the FA's team present physically or over the phone.

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[quote=Nflnick11;559362]Hopefully the agent and the skins deleted all their phone calls text messages whatever and as for rock cartwright talking about it on the radio, he should say he mispoke ...and by the way we already have this thread open[/quote]
there you go again

not everybody wants to jump into a 20 page thread to see if there was actual real relevant news when something new has happened

might as well only have a single thread about a lot of things.. the whole season.. all of the commentary and questions on the opposition before the game, the whole preseason

give it up playing deputy jr moderator here already man

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[quote=skinsfan69;559385]The evidence is Snyder was openly having dinner w/ AH's agent before FA started. I mean what else were they talking about? Everyone knows they talking contact/numbers. Let's not kid ourselves. I doubt anyone can prove what they were discussing but Snyder has to be smarter than that.[/quote]
Speck represents Malcolm Kelly as well -- I mean we all know what it was about, but still.