Portis has no 'pop' in his running. Even the few times he seems to break into somewhat open field it seems as if he does not know what to do or where to cut. He just does not seem like the back the redskins thought they were getting when the traded for him.

[QUOTE=skins009]You guys are excactly right. Brunnel is the main problem with our offense right now. If you look back two our first two games against the bucs and giants, they tried to stop us with 7 men and we absolutely just plowed right through them down the field. Then after that both teams said fuck this, were stacking the box, lets see you guys throw the ball. And to this very day we have not been able to do it. This is the nfl, you got to be able to pass and throw. Once we get a vertical passing game, i don't see us having much sucess.[/QUOTE]

If your'e gonna mention every game that Brunell has played in this year and say he hasn't been able to throw the ball down field, then what in the hell did he do against Dallas? I mean his connection to Gardner was exceptional and he deserved the credit for avoiding the sack and throwing the last TD to Gardner. See it's easy to point the finger at the QB when the passing game isn't successful. Gibbs has admitted that he is partly responsible with that problem. Gibbs is sending only two receivers on routes that make it easy to double cover them. He needs to get back to stacking four WR's and letting them three run short routes while one runs the long route. This is what he did against Dallas and it worked. Another point about Brunell is his leadership. The no huddle offense works but Brunell needs to be able to get into a rhythm and keep the defense off balance. This also worked against Dallas. No INTS against the CowBitches and 325 yds. in passing is not bad, so the blame still goes all around.

[QUOTE=irish]Portis has no 'pop' in his running. Even the few times he seems to break into somewhat open field it seems as if he does not know what to do or where to cut. He just does not seem like the back the redskins thought they were getting when the traded for him.[/QUOTE]

That's what I see. He's trying to be everything for the offense. Blocking, catching and not focusing on running. I tell you this. After the Giants game, Portis was not the same. The turnovers bothered him and it seems he hasn't shaken it off. Then it happened again in Cleveland. Brunell has to take the blame for everything that the involving the offense including challenging plays?

The way I look at it is if Brunell and Portis are struggling then theres only one person (or should I say group) to blame and that's the o-line. Portis can't run because he has no holes. Brunell sometimes doesn't have the time to throw downfield. Without the o-line clicking then you can forget about the whole offense. It all starts up front.

That being said, if the offense continues to struggle then I wouldn't be surprised if they do bench Brunell. But there is no way Brunell takes all the blame for Portis not being able to run the ball consistently.

Once Portis stops thinking so much and just starts running he'll be fine.

Matty:

Don't be too frustrated with this thread. There is a glimmer of hope.

At least we don't have anyone - as yet - calling for Sultan to replace Clinton based on the showings in exhibition games and/or for Gibran Hamden to return to town to save the season based on his sterling performances in NFL Europe last spring.

Remember, it is always darkest just before the lights go out completely...

And the light at the end of the tunnel is an express train heading your way.........

im not sure the line is the problem. there is very simply to many people in the box to block because there is no threat down the field

SC:

We have had a few posts calling for McCullough. I think it's Sunra that's the Sultan fan.

None for Hamdan, but positive for Hasselbeck.

[QUOTE=SUNRA]If your'e gonna mention every game that Brunell has played in this year and say he hasn't been able to throw the ball down field, then what in the hell did he do against Dallas? I mean his connection to Gardner was exceptional and he deserved the credit for avoiding the sack and throwing the last TD to Gardner. See it's easy to point the finger at the QB when the passing game isn't successful. Gibbs has admitted that he is partly responsible with that problem. Gibbs is sending only two receivers on routes that make it easy to double cover them. He needs to get back to stacking four WR's and letting them three run short routes while one runs the long route. This is what he did against Dallas and it worked. Another point about Brunell is his leadership. The no huddle offense works but Brunell needs to be able to get into a rhythm and keep the defense off balance. This also worked against Dallas. No INTS against the CowBitches and 325 yds. in passing is not bad, so the blame still goes all around.[/QUOTE]


How can they put 8 men in the box if their double covering 2 wr's, as well we alway's have either a TE, or back, running a pattern, so I do not believe that can be correct, as for Brunell's number's in the cowboy game, he made 1 nice throw for a TD, and guess what, he scrabled to do it, but it was defiently a nice play on his part, but even a broken clock is right twice a day, as far as the bulk of his yardage, it came on 2 throw's to Gardner, jump ball's, throwing a ball up for grab's is not a high percentage pass, and dangerous, those were desperation throw's, point out a nice deep ball he has thrown, if he threw that pass a little further last game, he could have hit coles for a TD instead of an INT to Deion, as it was he had coles turning the wrong way, Ramsey completed as many deep ball's in 2 quarter's, as brunell has in 4 1/2 games.

I agree that Gibb's is partly resposible for the passing problem's, he is the one starting Brunell.

Guys, I hate to say it, but I don't see Brunell sitting down anytime soon.

I think Gibbs likes the fact that he throws the ball away and doesn't try to fit it into double-coverage.

The crux of the problem is that teams are loading up to stop the run and playing tight coverage. Brunell just doesn't have the arm to make them pay downfield, nor do I think he has the mentality. He would be perfect if we were somehow running effectively because he would be able to get better opportunities via play-action, but things just aren't clicking right now.

Sometimes, a change at QB can be great, but they just aren't ready to take that chance yet.

Unfortunately.

[QUOTE=SUNRA]If your'e gonna mention every game that Brunell has played in this year and say he hasn't been able to throw the ball down field, then what in the hell did he do against Dallas? I mean his connection to Gardner was exceptional and he deserved the credit for avoiding the sack and throwing the last TD to Gardner. See it's easy to point the finger at the QB when the passing game isn't successful. Gibbs has admitted that he is partly responsible with that problem. Gibbs is sending only two receivers on routes that make it easy to double cover them. He needs to get back to stacking four WR's and letting them three run short routes while one runs the long route. This is what he did against Dallas and it worked. Another point about Brunell is his leadership. The no huddle offense works but Brunell needs to be able to get into a rhythm and keep the defense off balance. This also worked against Dallas. No INTS against the CowBitches and 325 yds. in passing is not bad, so the blame still goes all around.[/QUOTE]

17 minutes of good play doesn't balance out against 283 minutes of piss poor play. Are you actually saying Brunell doesn't deserve criticism?

He's got the fewest yards per pass attempt in the NFC and the fewest deep balls in the entire league. That's not someone who's succeeding at throwing a deep ball.

5.6 Yards per pass is pretty much the only number I need to see. That is freaking rediculous. 5.6 yards per pass?????

[QUOTE=Drift Reality]Guys, I hate to say it, but I don't see Brunell sitting down anytime soon.

I think Gibbs likes the fact that he throws the ball away and doesn't try to fit it into double-coverage.

The crux of the problem is that teams are loading up to stop the run and playing tight coverage. Brunell just doesn't have the arm to make them pay downfield, nor do I think he has the mentality. He would be perfect if we were somehow running effectively because he would be able to get better opportunities via play-action, but things just aren't clicking right now.

Sometimes, a change at QB can be great, but they just aren't ready to take that chance yet.

Unfortunately.[/QUOTE]


DR I think you hit on the head, Brunell does not have the mentality to get the ball downfield, he never learned how to be a pocket passer, which mean's you really have to be able to read a defense, his deep ball's in jax. were a lot of times, broken play's.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]SC:

We have had a few posts calling for McCullough. I think it's Sunra that's the Sultan fan.

None for Hamdan, but positive for Hasselbeck.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I think Sultan needs to be activated because there is a void in our one dimensional running game. Gibbs ususally has at least three RB's rotating in the backfield, and it is sad to see Portis handling 99% of the running game with these results. Get Barrow's ass on the IR list and give someone a chance to help this team.