[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Wilbon was on the right track until he suggested Hasselbeck.[/QUOTE]

Exactly! I dont understnad how everyone has these knocks against Ramsey already. And really, who gives a sh*t if the other teams dont think he has a feel for the game, maybe he does. Then when he torches their a$$ for 400 yards they will know why. Heres the bottom line, we have a guy on the bench in Ramsey who has a TON of potential, A TON. Now potential is nothing more than potential, but lets find out what hes made of right now, so we know if hes the awnser or not. I do know that Brunells not our awnser, so lets see if your awnser is on our team right now or not.

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]Exactly! I dont understnad how everyone has these knocks against Ramsey already. And really, who gives a sh*t if the other teams dont think he has a feel for the game, maybe he does. Then when he torches their a$$ for 400 yards they will know why. Heres the bottom line, we have a guy on the bench in Ramsey who has a TON of potential, A TON. Now potential is nothing more than potential, but lets find out what hes made of right now, so we know if hes the awnser or not. I do know that Brunells not our awnser, so lets see if your awnser is on our team right now or not.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you Ramsey has a TON of potential. I don't agree with Wilbon n his sources that Ramsey holds on to the ball too long and is not a good QB. In Spurrier's system he had to hold on to the football for the deep routes to open and now he is learning a new system. Give him some time.
When he got in the game against Giants we were down by 14 and he brought us close and created drives for us. Yes he threw 3 INT, but then he had'nt practised all week. He has'nt had that many starts. Brunell will have his last chance against Green Bay and most likely will have a similiar performance, which will bring PR in the picture. The defenses don't respect brunell's arm, he is not accurate at all!! There have been times the WR's have been open, yet he has not been able to connect with the WR's.
He was brought in for his consistency. He CAN'T EVEN COMPLETE 35% OF HIS PASSES FORGET 50%!! This is pathetic. Last time I checked the Bears had one of the worst passing defenses in the league. He even had protection in that game n he still goes 8/22!!!!!!!! THAT'S PATHETIC!!! I don't know how Gibbs can sit there and say that brunell is gonna be the starter if u look at those stats and see the film.

[QUOTE=That Guy]hasslebeck is the only of the three QBs to throw more ints than TDs, and he has a short arm too :(

he'll never be a starter, though right now he'd beat brunell...

shane, i seriously doubt ramsey would be traumatized, how can you say that and then suggest hasslebeck? ramsey's had way more experience and has done better across the board in comparision.[/QUOTE]

You are correct that Ramsey has had more NFL experience. His overall history as a quarterback is not likely as long however. There was a Thomas Boswell article on Ramsey in August that explained Ramsey's limited experience with the position.

Ramsey was thrown into the fire with Spurrier in a system that was not an NFL system and as a result his growth as a quarterback has been stunted. He is having to learn an entirely new system and there isn't evidence that he is comfortable with it yet based on preseason play and what we have seen in the regular season.

Ramsey may develop into a fine quarterback and I realize he has a passionate following. I do think that if you were to put him into the fire right now, he would be unlikely to play very well and this may well damage his confidence and the faith the organization has in him. Brunell is Ramsey's best friend right now because Brunell is having to play when everyone is learning the new system, the fan expectations are stratospherically high, and the system being employed is going through major modifications. Far better for Ramsey to play at a time when there is stability and he will have protection when he wants to throw the long ball so many fans long to see him throw.

Hasselbeck is a quick learner who has a natural feel for the position and has a lot of good qualities and leadership ability. I think he has a lot of potential and I think he may prove that good quarterbacking runs in the family.

It seems that people find it impossible to have good thoughts about more than one quarterback at a time. Folks seem to hate and dismiss one quarterback and champion another. Why not see the good qualities in all of them and consider that your crystal ball for the future isn't so crystal clear?

[QUOTE=Shane]You are correct that Ramsey has had more NFL experience. His overall history as a quarterback is not likely as long however. There was a Thomas Boswell article on Ramsey in August that explained Ramsey's limited experience with the position.

Ramsey was thrown into the fire with Spurrier in a system that was not an NFL system and as a result his growth as a quarterback has been stunted. He is having to learn an entirely new system and there isn't evidence that he is comfortable with it yet based on preseason play and what we have seen in the regular season.

Ramsey may develop into a fine quarterback and I realize he has a passionate following. I do think that if you were to put him into the fire right now, he would be unlikely to play very well and this may well damage his confidence and the faith the organization has in him. Brunell is Ramsey's best friend right now because Brunell is having to play when everyone is learning the new system, the fan expectations are stratospherically high, and the system being employed is going through major modifications. Far better for Ramsey to play at a time when there is stability and he will have protection when he wants to throw the long ball so many fans long to see him throw.

Hasselbeck is a quick learner who has a natural feel for the position and has a lot of good qualities and leadership ability. I think he has a lot of potential and I think he may prove that good quarterbacking runs in the family.

It seems that people find it impossible to have good thoughts about more than one quarterback at a time. Folks seem to hate and dismiss one quarterback and champion another. Why not see the good qualities in all of them and consider that your crystal ball for the future isn't so crystal clear?[/QUOTE]


I think you're right about Hasslebeck. I don't feel so negatively about him as others do. I know he had a 0.00 rating against Dallas last year, but so did Jeff Garcia this year right? I mean it happens. It's not like Hasselbeck is constantly laying goose eggs.

I'm just not sold on his arm, which is what I think this offense really needs. Someone with a strong arm. I think I need to go back and look at some old tapes of Timmy in action

[QUOTE=WashingtonWarrior]It was Joe Gibbs, ALL JOE GIBBS, who wanted Mark Brunnell. Please believe that. Im so sick of some of you Redskin fans blaming D. Snyder for all our faults. Granted we should have been had a GM but I would much rather have a owner who will Spend than one who will not. Alot of you people listen to these commentators on TV and you must realize these people dont even watch all the games before commenting. Alot of them go by what others say. In other words they no Crap. Realize this, Danny loves his team like a fan, like me and you, and he is just trying to do whatever he can do to Win......[/QUOTE]


Well said!

Ramsey is smarter, as well he's more of a natural QB than any QB Gibb's has had, other than Joey T., to say this kid can't learn, or progress, is a joke, I believe that Ramsey will make mistakes when he get's in there, but he will also make big play's for us as well, and with our D we should still be in much better shape at the end of the game under Ramsey, than with Brunell, and with every game Ramsey will become more comfortable, and commit less mistakes as he learn's, but for us to go forward we need Ramsey in there!

Gibb's has a tough pill to swallow right now, benching Brunell is pretty much admiting we made a huge mistake with him, but not benching him is only compounding the problem.

ramsey does need some speed training though... ever try a fake FG run with him?? omg he's soo slow... he can break tackles though.

Not to beat a dead horse...Chris Landry a former NFL scout was on the Mark Patrick Show on Fox Radio this morning. He said doesn't know what's wrong w/ Brunell, only that he is awful and thinks a change probably needs to take place. He agreed w/ the caller that the offense was bland, but stated thats most likely a confidence factor and that in our 2 WR packages, our WR's are just not getting open consistently. I know i'm restating what we've talked about.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Wilbon was on the right track until he suggested Hasselbeck.[/QUOTE]

Matty, that does not add up. You say you agree with everything until this - so do I. Synopsis of his statements:

- Brunell is washed up. (Obvious to the most causal observer.)

- Ramsey can not do the job. (Also obvious)

Hey, if you agree with these two assessments (I do, too), then there IS only one answer. You have to go with the unproven guy, who so far has shown a TON of promise. Why go with one of the guys you agree can not do the job?? Logic does not allow that.

yeah... we got good WRs, but they aren't exactly holt/bruce, which makes it harder...

hogskin, if ramsey has proven he can't do the job, then hasslebeck has already proven that he REALLY REALLY can't do the job. he's our QB with more INTS than TDs, and the one with the most INTs against third stingers in the preseason.

you guys are way off base with your hassleback bashing. look at what he did last year when ramsey was out. is your memory that short? i think anybody on the bench could play better than brunell at QB...... that includes, tom tupa, ola kimrin, the waterboy, cheerleaders, cameraman....

[QUOTE=d151b]you guys are way off base with your hassleback bashing. look at what he did last year when ramsey was out. is your memory that short? i think anybody on the bench could play better than brunell at QB...... that includes, tom tupa, ola kimrin, the waterboy, cheerleaders, cameraman....[/QUOTE]

Brunell has been horrific thus far, but in Ramsey's one appearance this year he didn't exactly set the world on fire. I don't think Brunell is done, our scouting department did an excellent job on the other acquisitions this year and I don't think they completely missed the boat on Brunell. I do think stability for sake of stability is a good thing. If the running game continues to improve the passing game can't be far behind.

[QUOTE=Hogskin]Matty, that does not add up. You say you agree with everything until this - so do I. Synopsis of his statements:

- Brunell is washed up. (Obvious to the most causal observer.)

- Ramsey can not do the job. (Also obvious)

Hey, if you agree with these two assessments (I do, too), then there IS only one answer. You have to go with the unproven guy, who so far has shown a TON of promise. Why go with one of the guys you agree can not do the job?? Logic does not allow that.[/QUOTE]
Let me clarify a bit, here's my view of our QB situation. Brunell is struggling I agree, Ramsey has also struggled but I believe he can still be our guy someday, Hasselbeck is a decent backup but if we have to go to him for any length of time we're in big trouble.

Brunell is currently playing like he is "washed up", but that doesn't mean he can't turn it around. Over the past few years there have been quite a few QB's that were thought to be done, but came back to perform well.....Warner, Vinny, Maddox, Collins, Gannon, etc. It can happen. I don't necessarily believe Brunell can do it, and would like to see what Ramsey can do, but I'll stick by Gibbs decision (like it even matters what any of us think). Tim Hasselbeck is a great #3, and a decent back-up, but that's it. Like Matty said, if we need him to play for an extended amount of time, we're in trouble anyway.