I went with Gibbs is Partly to Blame, Brunell is Partly to Blame. I mean we're talking about the starting QB and head coach. I would think for any team the head coach and starting QB would be at least partly responsible for the success, or lack thereof, of the team

Now keep in mind that saying Gibbs is partly to blame doesn't mean Gibbs should be fired, Gibbs sucks, or anything like that. It just means that he should be held at least partly accountable for the 5 losses. And one of the best things about Gibbs is that he knows it too and he's not going to say "Hey I've got three rings, it's not my fault" He's going to assume responsibility and lead this team back to where it belongs.

[QUOTE=CRT3]This is a ridiculouc thread!!!! We have been in every game so far this year right to the end. The last 12 years this was not the case. With a few years in one system I would imagine you will start to see a turnaround. Was there one game we wern't totally into up untill the end? Can you say this about past years? This is where Gibbs makes a difference. If not Gibbs who would you replace him with? We seem to have now left the Colledge boys behind, so that might leave someone in the pro ranks. Slim picking boys so you should hope Gibbs remains for at least the 5 years he signed up for otherwise we are in serious trouble. Please explode this thread!!!![/QUOTE]

Our defense has kept it close, our offense has not. Gibbs has said that he's let Williams coach the defense and the offense is "his thing." Considering that our defense is ranked #1 and our offense is ranked 26th, how is it that Gibbs has been doing his job?

To those who have posted that the most likely reason that Gibbs isn't playing Ramsey is because he doesn't think Ramsey can get the job done - I say baloney.

Remember, it was Gibbs who reassured Ramsey that he will play a major part on this team.

If, as you speculate, he doesn't think Ramsey is the man, why would he say otherwise in the pre-season?

Conversely, if Gibbs meant what he said about Ramsey, when does he put his money where his mouth is and let Ramsey play?

Gibbs can't have it both ways - one the one hand he's trying to placate and reassure Ramsey, while on the other hand he's not letting him play when the current QB is stinking up the joint. At some point, what Gibbs says has to match what he does and who he chooses to start.

And to those of you who say we shouldn't criticize because we don't see what goes on in practice and we can't know what Gibbs is thinking - I say that, frankly, I don't care what goes on in practice nor what is in Gibbs' head. I only care about what I see during game time. That is all that counts - not what happens in practice. And what we have all been seeing in every game from the start of this season is poor play by Brunell. Is he alone in playing poorly on offense? No. But he does stand alone in consistently, game in and game out, playing poorly.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]
And now he has to deal with boo's at home calling for Ramsey and thousands of assistant coaches on the internet who somehow have more knowledge of the game than he does.

If anybody wants off the Gibbs bandwagon fine, but don't come crawling back once he gets things turned around.[/QUOTE]

1. Are you saying he shouldn't have to deal with calls for Ramsey?

2. Are you saying people calling for Ramsey shouldn't be because we don't have more football knowledge than Gibbs?

3. Just because we attack Gibbs' decision to keep Brunell in and blame him for losses doesn't mean that we can't enjoy a few wins.

4. I'm as entitled to my opinion as anyone else, whether that means I'm supporting or attacking Gibbs.

5. I seem to recall you said you thought we should bench Brunell if we didn't win this week. Have you changed your mind or are you arguing with Gibbs who has superior football knowledge.

Everyone, KEEP IT RESPECTFUL.

[QUOTE=LadyT]To those who have posted that the most likely reason that Gibbs isn't playing Ramsey is because he doesn't think Ramsey can get the job done - I say baloney.

Remember, it was Gibbs who reassured Ramsey that he will play a major part on this team.

If, as you speculate, he doesn't think Ramsey is the man, why would he say otherwise in the pre-season?

Conversely, if Gibbs meant what he said about Ramsey, when does he put his money where his mouth is and let Ramsey play?

Gibbs can't have it both ways - one the one hand he's trying to placate and reassure Ramsey, while on the other hand he's not letting him play when the current QB is stinking up the joint. At some point, what Gibbs says has to match what he does and who he chooses to start.

And to those of you who say we shouldn't criticize because we don't see what goes on in practice and we can't know what Gibbs is thinking - I say that, frankly, I don't care what goes on in practice nor what is in Gibbs' head. I only care about what I see during game time. That is all that counts - not what happens in practice. And what we have all been seeing in every game from the start of this season is poor play by Brunell. Is he alone in playing poorly on offense? No. But he does stand alone in consistently, game in and game out, playing poorly.[/QUOTE]

I don't think Gibbs was being hypocritical at all when he talked about Ramsey being a big part of the team. Gibbs didn't say it was now

"Patrick Ramsey has a terrific future, and I think [it's] with the Washington Redskins,'' Gibbs said. "We think we have an excellent young quarterback there, 24 years old. We're excited about that.

Of course, that was back in the spring so maybe his opinion has changed some since then.

Alright I give in, Gibbs stinks, he's in over his head and he should be canned, today if possible.

Let's promote Williams, bench Brunell and life will be just dandy. Problem solved, who needs a Hall of Fame coach anyway?

Like I said, if you're off the Gibbs bandwagon fine, no problem, I just don't want to hear about how great he is from the haters when things turn around.

How about this thought...
 

Maybe the fact that Gibbs is willing to stick with Brunell through thick and thin, is actually reassuring to Ramsey? So when his time does come, sooner or later, he will know that his coach will support him and will not replace him at the first sign of trouble. As pretty much everyone has agreed, putting Ramsey in is worth a shot, but Gibbs is sticking with his man, which proves that he will do it no matter who "his man" is. Ramsey knows that his time will come, and when it does, his coach will be behind him 100%.
I hope it is soon.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Alright I give in, Gibbs stinks, he's in over his head and he should be canned, today if possible.

Let's promote Williams, bench Brunell and life will be just dandy. Problem solved, who needs a Hall of Fame coach anyway?

Like I said, if you're off the Gibbs bandwagon fine, no problem, I just don't want to hear about how great he is from the haters when things turn around.[/QUOTE]

Aside from yesterday's posts, which we all probably filled with hyperbole due to the loss, I don't think anyone is calling for Gibbs' head.

I personally believe that Gibbs will get this thing right, I just feel he's slowing down the turnaround process right now. I stick by my belief in Gibbs and my contention that he's to blame for our team's woes right now (for keeping Brunell in).

So, are you saying that anyone who attacks Gibbs has jumped off the bandwagon and can't support the 'Skins?

[QUOTE=ZackMills]Just remember I am the one who said that Gibbs isn't any good anymore, and in 3 years, when we are still 6-10 material, you'll wish you wouldn't have flamed me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Len Pasquarelli]Three years from now, the guy who accepted the Redskins job as a Hall of Fame member will be viewed as just another ordinary Joe.[/QUOTE]

Well everybody, this is truly an honor. Acclaimed ESPN columnist Len Pasquarelli has decided to grace our message boards under the name ZackMills. :D

Seriously though, Zack how do you figure that he isn't good anymore so quickly? Did he have to start 7-0 for you to think otherwise?

[QUOTE=SkinsRock]Maybe the fact that Gibbs is willing to stick with Brunell through thick and thin, is actually reassuring to Ramsey? So when his time does come, sooner or later, he will know that his coach will support him and will not replace him at the first sign of trouble. As pretty much everyone has agreed, putting Ramsey in is worth a shot, but Gibbs is sticking with his man, which proves that he will do it no matter who "his man" is. Ramsey knows that his time will come, and when it does, his coach will be behind him 100%.
I hope it is soon.[/QUOTE]


Good point.

[QUOTE=SkinsRock]Maybe the fact that Gibbs is willing to stick with Brunell through thick and thin, is actually reassuring to Ramsey? So when his time does come, sooner or later, he will know that his coach will support him and will not replace him at the first sign of trouble. As pretty much everyone has agreed, putting Ramsey in is worth a shot, but Gibbs is sticking with his man, which proves that he will do it no matter who "his man" is. Ramsey knows that his time will come, and when it does, his coach will be behind him 100%.
I hope it is soon.[/QUOTE]
I said something similar earlier today. I think once Ramsey gets in there, it's going to be for the long run assuming he performs, and he'll know that Gibbs will stand by him and won't have a quick hook.

[QUOTE]Seriously though, Zack how do you figure that he isn't good anymore so quickly? Did he have to start 7-0 for you to think otherwise?[/QUOTE]

What are we complaining about week in week out...poor clock management, use of our TOs, Brunell is clearly an awful awful QB, defenses know what we are running on offense. IT IS CLEARLY POOR COACHING. we have an amazing defense. what are we taught, DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. The 2002 ravens had an awful offense, and won the SUPER BOWL. we cant win a game. our offense, on paper, is not that bad. this "genius" was a genius 12 years ago. Today, his offense doesn't work, yet he still runs it. he's old, he won't change. he's stubborn. this situation is alot like penn state. we have a great defense, yet we still cant win because of a bad, predictable offense. we have a great, blue chip true freshmen on bench, yet we still game in, game out, play with our terrible senior QB.

I am sure that i am so angry because both teams are very similar and have potential, and both coach's primes have passed, and it just pisses me off.

[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Aside from yesterday's posts, which we all probably filled with hyperbole due to the loss, I don't think anyone is calling for Gibbs' head.

I personally believe that Gibbs will get this thing right, I just feel he's slowing down the turnaround process right now. I stick by my belief in Gibbs and my contention that he's to blame for our team's woes right now (for keeping Brunell in).

So, are you saying that anyone who attacks Gibbs has jumped off the bandwagon and can't support the 'Skins?[/QUOTE]
Correct me if I'm wrong but the subject of this thread says 'I'm not sticking by Gibbs'. So if you're not sticking with him fine, just don't jump back on board when things turn for the better, that's all. If you're not going to stick with him through thick and thin than I don't want to hear how big of a Gibbs fan you are when he wins, that's all.

[QUOTE=ZackMills]What are we complaining about week in week out...poor clock management, use of our TOs, Brunell is clearly an awful awful QB, defenses know what we are running on offense. IT IS CLEARLY POOR COACHING. we have an amazing defense. what are we taught, DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. The 2002 ravens had an awful offense, and won the SUPER BOWL. we cant win a game. our offense, on paper, is not that bad. this "genius" was a genius 12 years ago. Today, his offense doesn't work, yet he still runs it. he's old, he won't change. he's stubborn. this situation is alot like penn state. we have a great defense, yet we still cant win because of a bad, predictable offense. we have a great, blue chip true freshmen on bench, yet we still game in, game out, play with our terrible senior QB.

I am sure that i am so angry because both teams are very similar and have potential, and both coach's primes have passed, and it just pisses me off.[/QUOTE]
So after 7 games you have Gibbs figured out and you're ready to kick him to the curb?

No allowing him time to adjust, install his system, get his players, nothing?

So I guess you would have fired Vermeil after he went 5-11 in his first season back? I guess it's Super Bowl or bust?