Re: Better Decision: Draft/Deal for Bradford or Trade for McNabb/Draft T. Williams?
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;756500]well, if McNabb plays sub par as you say, and we build a solid line in front of him, then WHEN we get the qb of the future (something the skins haven't ever really had) at least we will know his blind side is protected, and he will be able to shine. It's a little strange to me, given how it was a nearly unanimous cry to get OL after the last few years debacles, that somehow in hindsight some one is going to say maybe we shoulda gotten a QB. We had NO LT at all. none, zero, zilch. did you really want Heyer protecting SB's blind side? ugh what a scary thought.[/quote]

Man ... did I say that I was on the fence... all the stuff you are saying about LT is true, but what if we missed on the next great qb. We may not be in position to do that in the next few years.

Re: Better Decision: Draft/Deal for Bradford or Trade for McNabb/Draft T. Williams?
 

[quote=warriorzpath;756503]Man ... did I say that I was on the fence... all the stuff you are saying about LT is true, but what if we missed on the next great qb. We may not be in position to do that in the next few years.[/quote]

Then we missed him because with all our s**kage last year we still did not s*** bad enough to get the first pick in the draft. Glad he went to a different division, only wish he had gone to the other conference :(.

Seriously, we couldn't have the 1st pick short of selling off our whole draft, or some other unreasonable compensation, so c'est la draft.

Bottomline, my answer is I am ok with what we did, mainly because it made better football sense given the conditions available at the time the decisions were made.

Re: Better Decision: Draft/Deal for Bradford or Trade for McNabb/Draft T. Williams?
 

I wonder if our first and second would have been enough for bradford?

Re: Better Decision: Draft/Deal for Bradford or Trade for McNabb/Draft T. Williams?
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;756504]Then we missed him because with all our s**kage last year we still did not s*** bad enough to get the first pick in the draft. Glad he went to a different division, only wish he had gone to the other conference :(.

Seriously, we couldn't have the 1st pick short of selling off our whole draft, or some other unreasonable compensation, so c'est la draft.

Bottomline, my answer is I am ok with what we did, mainly because it made better football sense given the conditions available at the time the decisions were made.[/quote]

I think I'll be happy (agreeing with czaban on espn980) if McNabb stays with the redskins next season at the very least.

Re: Better Decision: Draft/Deal for Bradford or Trade for McNabb/Draft T. Williams?
 

Trent Williams all the way.

Mcnabb is a bonus. We needed Trent period.

He will be here for years. This guy has played very well for a rookie. Sam Bradfords come and go.

Re: Better Decision: Draft/Deal for Bradford or Trade for McNabb/Draft T. Williams?
 

[quote=skinster;756505]I wonder if our first and second would have been enough for bradford?[/quote]

Franchise Quarterbacks are rare. If the Rams tagged Bradford at "90% sure to be good", we probably have to pay what Chicago paid for Cutler a couple times or more to get him.

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[quote=Giantone;756494]Bradford looks good now, what would he have looked like behind the Redskins O line,better or worse?[/quote]

The Skins O-Line is still a lot better then the Rams O-Line. Right now they simply have the benefit of playing against a weak schedule. The Skins on the other hand have faced Ware, Ratliff, Suh, Mario, Peppers, Freeny, Mathis, Cole, Matthews, among others.

The thing about McNabb is that he has at best 3 or 4 years left and with Shanahan coaching the Redskins aren't going to be in position to draft a franchise QB at the top of the draft for a while. At this point they have to hope that a talent like Jake Locker falls to them in the middle of the first round (not that I'm to crazy about Locker these days). However the chance to draft a franchise single caller like Bradford at the top of the first round is now long gone. 2017 might be the next time we get a chance to select a prospect like Bradford.

Re: Better Decision: Draft/Deal for Bradford or Trade for McNabb/Draft T. Williams?
 

[quote=warriorzpath;756489]I'll play devil's advocate- but what if McNabb continues to play subpar at qb and looking ahead at possible free agents and draft choices at qb in future years -- would it have been a mistake to not deal for Bradford when the redskins had a chance? Keep this in mind and I know it's way to early -- but Bradford is being projected as the next great qb.[/quote]

What if McNabb continues to play sub par? The way you are painting the picture it seems like you are looking for someone to say YES it was a huge mistake to get Mcnabb.
You should probably re-name this thread warrorzpath thinks it was a mistake to get McNabb and is looking for some people to agree with him.

I can play devil's advocate as well....what if Bradford goes into a huge sophomore slump next year and never gets out of it...and McNabb and the Redskins win a supebowl in 2012? What would you say about the trade then? Was it a good one?
It is still too early to decide.

Question to the people upset with McNabb: Did you honestly think Shanahan and McNabb would take a 4-12 team and make it a playoff team in one year? If you did you only have yourself to blame for being upset.
Even though we got the best LT in the 2010 draft in Trent Williams we are still battling with very poor play from our offensive line. Our center, LG and RT are not playing well. I can not imagine how bad we would be with Bradford and no Trent Williams. We would less than 4-4 right now.
Don't get fixated on the whole [B]young QB fantasy[/B] world. I don't care how old or young our QB is or where he was drafted.
We won our first and second superbowls with 34 year old Joe Thiesmann and 33 year old Doug Williams. Both cast offs from other teams. Rypien was no lottery pick either.
I do not need a pretty boy high draft pick QB.
The winning-est team in the NFL currently has 3 Sb titles since 2001 and their Qb is a sixth round pick.

[QUOTE=Defensewins;756521]What if McNabb continues to play sub par? The way you painting the picture it seems like you are looking for someone to say YES it was a huge mistake to get Mcnabb.
You should probably re-name this thread warrorzpath thinks it was a mistake and is looking for some people to agree with him.

I can play devil's advocate as well....what if Bradford goes into a huge sophomore slump next year and never gets out of it...and McNabb and the Redskins win a supebowl in 2012? What would you say about the trade then? Was it a good one?
It is still too early to decide. Question to the people upset with McNabb: Did you honestly think Shanahan and McNabb would be a playoff team in year one?
Even though we got the best LT in the 2010 draft in Trent Williams we are still battling with very poor play from our offensive line. Our center, LG and RT are not playing well. I can not imagine how bad we would be with Bradford and no Trent Williams. We would less than 4-4 right now.
Don't get fixated on the whole [B]young QB fantasy[/B] world. I don't care how old or young our QB is or where he was drafted.
We won our first and scond superbowls with 34 year old Joe Thiesmann and 33 year old Doug Williams. Both cast offs from other teams.
I do not need a pretty boy high draft pick QB.[/QUOTE]
This is what I was trying to say

Re: Better Decision: Draft/Deal for Bradford or Trade for McNabb/Draft T. Williams?
 

Tom Brady was a "young QB" when he won those Bowls.

Theismann was with us since 1974.

Re: Better Decision: Draft/Deal for Bradford or Trade for McNabb/Draft T. Williams?
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;756523]Tom Brady was a "young QB" when he won those Bowls.

Theismann was with us since 1974.[/quote]

So he is not young anymore....so what?
33 year old Tom Brady is leading the 6-1 patriots and is currently the 5th top rated passer in the NFL. They beat the two of the top teams in Jets and Ravens. That Ravensvs Pats game was played at playoff caliber play and hitting. High level of football. If you like to watch good football, the Steelers vs Patriots game in two weeks will be another high level play and caliber game.

Theismann was drafted by the Miami Dolphins. Theismann went to play in the bush league Canandian Football league. Theismann did not arrive in DC with huge fanfare or on a private jet. He probably flew coach. He was third string and returned punts just to see the field.

Re: Better Decision: Draft/Deal for Bradford or Trade for McNabb/Draft T. Williams?
 

Which thread is better: This one or the game peanut butter thread.

Re: Better Decision: Draft/Deal for Bradford or Trade for McNabb/Draft T. Williams?
 

I say it's a toss-up. You don't want to pass up a franchise QB, period. But although Bradford looks good now, he's still a gamble and one hard hit on his shoulder away from a bad decision.

Trent Williams (or Okung) will be good for a long long time. Our offensive line completely sucks, and it just makes sense to fix it. With McNabb/TW you fix both positions quickly. The problem is that you haven't fixed the other 4 O-line positions.


After all that, I'd say the QB is more important and drafting Bradford would have been worth it. As has been said, getting a high draft pick to pick another franchise QB is not possible. We'll have to wait for another free agent QB (McNabb, Brees, or Cutler) to become available and/or get lucky with a late rounder like Brady.

Re: Better Decision: Draft/Deal for Bradford or Trade for McNabb/Draft T. Williams?
 

Really tough to say, without knowing what we would have given up to get Bradford. What if we could have kept our 2nd and used it to make a move for someone like Marcus McNeil?

Too many variables to really know for sure

Had Bradford been there at #4 I would have taken him over Trent Williams though.

Re: Better Decision: Draft/Deal for Bradford or Trade for McNabb/Draft T. Williams?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;756534]Really tough to say, without knowing what we would have given up to get Bradford. What if we could have kept our 2nd and used it to make a move for someone like Marcus McNeil?

Too many variables to really know for sure

Had Bradford been there at #4 I would have taken him over Trent Williams though.[/quote]

SmootSmack:

Thank you. Without knowing what the cost of the Bradford "trade-up" might have been, it is impossible to know what was the better thing to do.

Now if the Rams had demanded our entire OL from 2009 plus the 4th pick in the draft, I would have jumped at that in a minute because that would have forced the Skins to make major changes there - - and those major changes remain sorely needed...