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Well Campbell is going to be no better than Brunell right now. I just don't understand why u would pay such a huge price to get a rookie backup QB if that is what u anticipate Campbell to be doing. In my mind this was a bad move on what otherwise was a good draft.
Gibbs should have gone for a WR or DE not a QB.


[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I have a problem with how much we gave up for this pick, BUT say Ramsey goes down, you want Brunell in there as backup?[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=celts32]I went "C"

I give an "A" for Rogers since it filled a need and he was a good value at the spot. I preferred Mike Williams at this pick but I won't fault them for passing on him to fill another big need.

As for Campbell, I give this pick an "F". A 6-10 team with Santana Moss & David Patten as it's starting WR's does not have the luxery of taking a QB for 3 years down the road. The better pick would have been WR Roddie White or one of the D-lineman left.

An A & F average into a C as a final grade...[/QUOTE]


Jus to add to my previous grades, I did like the McCune pick allot. He looks like a beast and it's a position of need. I would rasie my grade to a C+ if it were an option but not up to a B.

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C, we had a really good day two (imo)

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[QUOTE=ArringtonRules]Well Campbell is going to be no better than Brunell right now. I just don't understand why u would pay such a huge price to get a rookie backup QB if that is what u anticipate Campbell to be doing. In my mind this was a bad move on what otherwise was a good draft.
Gibbs should have gone for a WR or DE not a QB.[/QUOTE]

Campbell is better than Brunell is ONE very important category:

Age.

OK, Ramsey goes down, we start Brunell and don't have Campbell. He either stinks the place up as I'd expect he would do, OR he retires in a year or two anyway.

I also agree with whoever said they wouldn't want Hasselbeck leading a playoff push.

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[QUOTE=celts32]I went "C"
As for Campbell, I give this pick an "F". A 6-10 team with Santana Moss & David Patten as it's starting WR's does not have the luxery of taking a QB for 3 years down the road. The better pick would have been WR Roddie White or one of the D-lineman left.

An A & F average into a C as a final grade...[/QUOTE]


I'm hearing that Campbell will be groomed to start in '06, as they(front office) hope Ramsey will be motivated to play hard this season as better trade bait, so they can move him easier.

Like it or not the talent scouts for Washington saw something in Campbell that lit the bulb over their heads & they just could not let him pass.

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That is very true. I guess they wouldn't have sent an eight-man team down to Auburn to meet him. I DON'T see why there was such hype around him, but that's why I don't coach professioanl football.

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See this is a bonehead move on part of our FO if that is what they are planning. I would not have minded the draft pick if the price was not too steep. we paid a huge price.
Also from palyers standpoint, they have to be wondering about this move. How are they to trust a coach or FO if they say something and do the complete opposite of it. Now does it surprise anybody that Coles left and Arrington was ranting about our organization

[QUOTE=ChounsMan]I'm hearing that Campbell will be groomed to start in '06, as they(front office) hope Ramsey will be motivated to play hard this season as better trade bait, so they can move him easier.

Like it or not the talent scouts for Washington saw something in Campbell that lit the bulb over their heads & they just could not let him pass.[/QUOTE]

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Yes, Brunell is not very good. Yes, Hasselbeck is not very good either. Does that mean that trading up to get a third-string quarterback makes sense? Nope. F-minus for the Campbell pick ...

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The draft stunk!!! Why was it not possible to use the #9 pick on what most had rated as one of the top 2 WRs in the draft in Williams and then use the late pick on the CB position which was one of the deepest in the draft. There is no problem with them picking Rogers I think everyone is in agreement on that but to use a 1st round pick on a QB who had 1 good year in college (can you say Ryan Leaf) when they already have a QB who has not even been allowed to play an entire season yet?????? Freaking stupid!!!!! When there are so many other positions where they have needs???

Every team that is decent in the NFL builds through the draft and complements their team with a few select FA and keeps their core players....Skins do the opposite and can't figure out why they don't win. Dan would you please get a clue and hire a real NFL GM and not one of your poker buddies...oh what the heck maybe one of your buddies will be better than Vinny!!! You finally got a real coach, now get a real GM!

After all that maybe I will be wrong and they will do well this year...Every other year I have liked their draft and they have stunk!!

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I think we gave up a lot for Campbell (although I like his potential). I just don't see how he's worth a #1, #3, and #5, especially when we're likely to have a 1st round choice next year that is higher than 25 (we'd have to finish at 11-5 or better I suspect to get a lower pick, and I am not sure I see 11 wins, which means we gave up 3 picks for a lower pick than we'd have a year later).

Why didn't we pick any OL in the later rounds? Was there no one decent left? I think last year's injury to Jansen shows what can happen to a line when a star goes down. If Randy T. gets hurt in training camp, we're in trouble folks. I think later choices on the OL would have been wise (if, in fact, there was any talent left).

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I completely agree with just about everything Yellow31 said. The Skins desperately need a seasoned personnel guy steering the ship, someone like Phil Savage who is now running the show in Cleveland. Though Coach Gibbs has brought the team just about any real success in living memory - at least mine - he just is not that guy. Like everyone else I have no problem with the Rodgers pick, except for the fact that Williams was somehow still on the board at #9. The Skins were ranked 30th in Offense last season, scored 15 points a game, and just could not get the ball in the end zone to save their lives. Williams would have provided an instant red zone scoring threat and could have scored double digit touchdowns in his first year.

The Campbell pick is also just baffeling, especially since they gave up next years #1 to move into position. I can't imagine that pick will be much higher than #15 and that is just an extremely steep price. To add insult to injury the Skins then passed on Fred Gibson, the WR from Georgia, in the fourth round. I thought that would have been a better pick than White, but hopefully he will prove me wrong.

I think that at this point you really HAVE TO bring back Rod Gardner for 2005, otherwise you will just have a couple of 5-9 guys in Patten and Moss - assuming he shows up sometime before next year - running down the field. I just don't get how it is possible that our recieving corps could actually take a STEP BACK from last season, but that is how it appears at the moment.

HTTR

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I don't think we took a step back. You can't really drop TOO far from the top 3 worst passing offenses in the league.

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I gave it a "C" because picking Carlos Rogers was what they had to do to fill in for the departure of Fred Smoot. Unless Rogers breaks both legs, he ought to be playing a whole lot this year in a place where he will be much needed. With the NFC East playing the AFC West teams, there will bs some throwin' football teams out there this year to line up against.

After that pick it gets a lot murkier. Do they need Campbell? Do they need two fullbacks? Do they need more linebackers - or is that a signal that Barrow is not going to be playing much and LaVar's knee isn't going to be 100% either?

I hear the arguments that these guys will make contributions on Special Teams. But did the Skins really need four special teamers as their priority with only 6 picks?

If Rogers is a total bust, then this draft is liable to be a miserable failure when looked back upon in 2008; but he's going to be a good player so we don't have to worry about that.

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I really liked Pacman Jones too, but when I've looked at all 3 big CBs on paper, Rogers seems to be the sure thing, if there is one in the three.

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Grade F: This team lost games last year to to having zero offense and what do they do, go out and fraft a CB and more LBs. Even the offensive players they drafted wont have any impact for a few years. Almost a total waste of the day.

This organization is in such disarray that I dont know what is going to happen next, and I'm not sure those at redskin park do either.