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The O line is concerning and I really hope AP addresses it. Here’s where we are:

LT - our All Pro stud is out and replaced by a guy who was decent his rookie season but lost his starting gig when shifted to G (and then lost that job). We are hoping he takes a step forward from his rookie year but no guarantees.

LG - Paul back as a starter. Did ok but the plan was to replace him with Coleman until Tunsil was hurt.

C - let go a good player in Biadiaz. His replacement has been injured and has barely practiced. The backup is a 6th round rookie who has looked like it so far.

RG - Stud. Hopefully the injuries are well behind him.

RT - guy who struggled his rookie season but improved. Hoping for continued improvement.

This just feels like what we did last year with the D line. Too much hoping for the best and not enough proven competence for my taste.

On a happier note, I just got tickets to see the Colts game in London. Haven’t been to a game in ages and this should be cool.


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They are satisfied for now, they might add a player or two before Eagles opener but I think they go into the opener with the current roster.

After the Eagles games, things might change. Though by then, who could you get.

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Taylor Decker still unsigned although he’s a T and not C or G. But you’re right that by not acting already, the options are thin.


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Keim spoke about the Oline issues in his podcast a few days ago, turns out that the center situation is more complicated than we imagined.

Biadasz actually didn't play well with us last year. Keim specifically stated that people from both the team and around NFL said the same thing - Biadasz wasn't good at all last year. Allegretti is expected to be better, if not the same level as Biadasz.

Regarding the center depth - multiple teams have the same issue and are looking for the same thing. This explains why the center options are very limited at this time. While there were a few available via free agency and trade - majority of those players do not fit Blough's offense. As for Glasgow, he can be a good fit for us but the issues are (1) will Glasgow accept the vet minimum? (2) will Glasgow accept being a backup once Allegretti is healthy to play? I think the latter is a challenge for us to navigate - no centers will want to play for us when they know that they will be relegated to the backup duty once Allegretti is healthy to play.

Put yourself in Glasgow's position - you are contemplating retirement. Will you be willing to accept the vet minimum, just to play or would you prefer to retire? In other words, it takes both parties to dance together. We could offer (if not already) Glasgow a job but it won't work if the offer doesn't work for him.

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[quote=GridIron26;1381343]Keim spoke about the Oline issues in his podcast a few days ago, turns out that the center situation is more complicated than we imagined.

[B]Biadasz actually didn't play well with us last year. Keim specifically stated that people from both the team and around NFL said the same thing - Biadasz wasn't good at all last year.[/B] Allegretti is expected to be better, if not the same level as Biadasz.

Regarding the center depth - multiple teams have the same issue and are looking for the same thing. This explains why the center options are very limited at this time. While there were a few available via free agency and trade - majority of those players do not fit Blough's offense. As for Glasgow, he can be a good fit for us but the issues are (1) will Glasgow accept the vet minimum? (2) will Glasgow accept being a backup once Allegretti is healthy to play? I think the latter is a challenge for us to navigate - no centers will want to play for us when they know that they will be relegated to the backup duty once Allegretti is healthy to play.

Put yourself in Glasgow's position - you are contemplating retirement. Will you be willing to accept the vet minimum, just to play or would you prefer to retire? In other words, it takes both parties to dance together. We could offer (if not already) Glasgow a job but it won't work if the offer doesn't work for him.[/quote]

I thought the same thing. I wasn't surprised he was released. But it doesn't look like our post-Biadasz plan went according to plan.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1381344]I thought the same thing. I wasn't surprised he was released. But it doesn't look like our post-Biadasz plan went according to plan.[/quote]

Clearly the team thought Biadasz wasn't working out, and I am certainly not in a position to disagree with that judgment. But the plan for what to do next obviously went off the rails. They apparently had sights on Linderbaum, and that obviously didn't happen. It isn't clear what plan B (or C or D) was. It's hard to imagine it is what we are doing now.

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[quote=calia;1381345]Clearly the team thought Biadasz wasn't working out, and I am certainly not in a position to disagree with that judgment. But the plan for what to do next obviously went off the rails. They apparently had sights on Linderbaum, and that obviously didn't happen. It isn't clear what plan B (or C or D) was. It's hard to imagine it is what we are doing now.[/quote]

They had no alternative plan. They couldn’t get the guy they wanted in free agency; so they figured we’ll ho with what we have.

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[QUOTE=calia;1381340]The O line is concerning and I really hope AP addresses it. Here’s where we are:

LT - our All Pro stud is out and replaced by a guy who was decent his rookie season but lost his starting gig when shifted to G (and then lost that job). We are hoping he takes a step forward from his rookie year but no guarantees.

LG - Paul back as a starter. Did ok but the plan was to replace him with Coleman until Tunsil was hurt.

C - let go a good player in Biadiaz. His replacement has been injured and has barely practiced. The backup is a 6th round rookie who has looked like it so far.

RG - Stud. Hopefully the injuries are well behind him.

RT - guy who struggled his rookie season but improved. Hoping for continued improvement.

This just feels like what we did last year with the D line. Too much hoping for the best and not enough proven competence for my taste.

On a happier note, I just got tickets to see the Colts game in London. Haven’t been to a game in ages and this should be cool.


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Any thought that begins with “I hope AP addresses it”is probably not going to end well based on his track record.

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[quote=calia;1381340]The O line is concerning and I really hope AP addresses it. Here’s where we are:

LT - our All Pro stud is out and replaced by a guy who was decent his rookie season but lost his starting gig when shifted to G (and then lost that job). We are hoping he takes a step forward from his rookie year but no guarantees.

LG - Paul back as a starter. Did ok but the plan was to replace him with Coleman until Tunsil was hurt.

C - let go a good player in Biadiaz. His replacement has been injured and has barely practiced. The backup is a 6th round rookie who has looked like it so far.

RG - Stud. Hopefully the injuries are well behind him.

RT - guy who struggled his rookie season but improved. Hoping for continued improvement.

This just feels like what we did last year with the D line. Too much hoping for the best and not enough proven competence for my taste.

On a happier note, I just got tickets to see the Colts game in London. Haven’t been to a game in ages and this should be cool.


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In reality it’s basically the 2024 line with more experience, they did all right that year with less offensive weapons

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True, but out of the shotgun with JD5 running a lot. That’s not the plan this year.

Allegretti was the playing G, not C, which was where he had experience. We’ve arguably upgraded RT going from Wylie to Conley. Cornelius Lucas was actually our highest rated (PFF) OL that year other than Biadasz, who was even higher.


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[quote=calia;1381349]True, but out of the shotgun with JD5 running a lot. That’s not the plan this year.

Allegretti was the playing G, not C, which was where he had experience. We’ve arguably upgraded RT going from Wylie to Conley. Cornelius Lucas was actually our highest rated (PFF) OL that year other than Biadasz, who was even higher.


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i'm a definitely negative nancy on most stuff but in the last year the NYK won the NBA championship and the Pats made it to the Super Bowl, if you told me that happen this time last year i think u were nuts.

Maybe this new combination after the injuries and all actually plays better, i believe thta more then the NYK winning a championship and PAts in a SB.

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[quote=mredskins;1381350]i'm a definitely negative nancy on most stuff but in the last year the NYK won the NBA championship and the Pats made it to the Super Bowl, if you told me that happen this time last year i think u were nuts.

Maybe this new combination after the injuries and all actually plays better, i believe thta more then the NYK winning a championship and PAts in a SB.[/quote]

Any given season.... I will say this, if our guys were all healthy, I'd be very curious to see the ceiling on this team. I think the D will be a lot better -- both in terms of personnel and coaching -- and while there was only 1 direction to go, I can see a pretty big leap there. I love that Daronte Jones has these guys in attack mode. On offense, I think that Rachaad White is a talented and underrated back (and good guy to work with Bill), and we now have receiving threats (plural) that teams will need to respect. But the O line thing is worrisome -- Gibbs understood that a crushing O line can make up for a lot (look at what the Eagles have done for the last few years with Hurts). Losing Tunsil really stings. Hoping the young guys show out this season.

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A vet brought in now gets their salary guaranteed, vs if the team waits until after week 1.

If we bring anyone in, it will be after week 1.

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For those people who think our Oline is hopeless

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[quote=calia;1381340]The O line is concerning and I really hope AP addresses it. Here’s where we are:

LT - our All Pro stud is out and replaced by a guy who was decent his rookie season but lost his starting gig when shifted to G (and then lost that job). We are hoping he takes a step forward from his rookie year but no guarantees.

LG - Paul back as a starter. Did ok but the plan was to replace him with Coleman until Tunsil was hurt.

C - let go a good player in Biadiaz. His replacement has been injured and has barely practiced. The backup is a 6th round rookie who has looked like it so far.

RG - Stud. Hopefully the injuries are well behind him.

RT - guy who struggled his rookie season but improved. Hoping for continued improvement.

This just feels like what we did last year with the D line. Too much hoping for the best and not enough proven competence for my taste.

On a happier note, I just got tickets to see the Colts game in London. Haven’t been to a game in ages and this should be cool.


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This pretty much sums it up and why I am so concerned. I have no idea what they are doing at center, Allegretti sucked at guard, he was benched early last season as the starter at RG and that is supposed to be his natural position and they have no NFL player on the roster who can be a backup.

I never understood the plan and I still don't. Tunsil's injury hurt a lot and had a domino effect if Coleman was slated to start at LG. But one injury should never derail an entire offensive line.