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[QUOTE=Warpath]Awesome thing is, I told my wife that if Monk ever gets in, we're going. SO every year I watch closely to see if he makes the list. Has anyone even been to the Hall induction ceremony? I wonder how hard it is to get tiks and how much they cost. I also wonder if every friggin hotel for 100 miles in every direction is booked months in advance. I hope this is the year that Monk finally gets in![/QUOTE]

I've been a few times. I have family out there, so I don't know about hotels.

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[QUOTE=SantanaMan]"M. Irving (70%)"

Shame on a Dallas fan not even spelling Irvins name correctly![/QUOTE]

Man I didn't notice if you read the complete post I wrote Irvin name correctly on the bottom I didn't notice I had spelled it wrong.


And I'm sorry Monk was an excellent reciever but to say he was better than IRVIN come on IRVIN change the way the wr in the league played they had to change the prototipal CB after him to a more physicall and bigger one because IRVIN just tossed them around.

He was a force on the field and a big part of a dinasty, sorry but I give any day better chances for him to get in that 2 Monk.

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]Man I didn't notice if you read the complete post I wrote Irvin name correctly on the bottom I didn't notice I had spelled it wrong.


And I'm sorry Monk was an excellent reciever but to say he was better than IRVIN come on IRVIN change the way the wr in the league played they had to change the prototipal CB after him to a more physicall and bigger one because IRVIN just tossed them around.

He was a force on the field and a big part of a dinasty, sorry but I give any day better chances for him to get in that 2 Monk.[/QUOTE]

Monk was a big strong, physical receiver as well. Even though he didn't appear to be as fast as other receivers we've had on the team (Gary Clark, Santana Moss, etc...) he always found ways to get open downfield. Even when he wasn't exactly open, he still was able to haul in the pass. I am not taking anything away from Michael Irving, I thought he was a great receiver as well, but there is nothing between the two receivers that would suggest that Art Monk lacked anything from getting into the Hall of Fame before Michael Irving. In all honesty, Art Monk should have already been in the hall of fame.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]Monk was a big strong, physical receiver as well. Even though he didn't appear to be as fast as other receivers we've had on the team (Gary Clark, Santana Moss, etc...) he always found ways to get open downfield. Even when he wasn't exactly open, he still was able to haul in the pass. I am not taking anything away from Michael Irving, I thought he was a great receiver as well, but there is nothing between the two receivers that would suggest that Art Monk lacked anything from getting into the Hall of Fame before Michael Irving. In all honesty, Art Monk should have already been in the hall of fame.[/QUOTE]

Yes he should he was a great receiver but he hasn't got in yet and this year with all the big names I just don't see it happen and right now Irvin is the better of the 2, Monk hasn't made a top 6 candidate ever Irvin did it i nhis first year and he should had been inducted last year as harris and wright when they made the top 6 in my opinion it's dumb that the committe put players off after they reach the top six if six can get in then put six in.

For that matter I didn't think Young deserved to be there not as a first ballot for that matter.

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]Man I didn't notice if you read the complete post I wrote Irvin name correctly on the bottom I didn't notice I had spelled it wrong.


And I'm sorry Monk was an excellent reciever but to say he was better than IRVIN come on IRVIN change the way the wr in the league played they had to change the prototipal CB after him to a more physicall and bigger one because IRVIN just tossed them around.

He was a force on the field and a big part of a dinasty, sorry but I give any day better chances for him to get in that 2 Monk.[/QUOTE]

Michael Irvin was the master at the push-off. It's not so much that he was more physical than any WR before him. He just got away with pushing off a lot. And even he would admit that

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lets give props to mr irvin for being a top notch receiver but the only reason anyone would put him ahead of mr monk is strictly due to personality.mr irvin has the loud,look at me type and mr monk is classy and quiet.i would love to hear mr maddens opinion on this

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They're both good recievers......but Monk should've been in long before this

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Every day I pray that Art Monk gets his due. He deserves to be in the HOF. For what he did for the Redskins, the NFL prototype WR and as always lastly Art Monk himself. Team player, no incidences with cocaine, hookers, guns and hookers, friends with Deion, etc. Art is a reserved, thoughtful true man and was an incredible football player. I often wonder if the Redskins had not let him go to the Eagles if he wouldn't be along side Gibbs coaching at some compacity. My brother always said whenever Monk gets in we're going to Canton. Thank you Art Monk and you're no BS, team style of playing. Goodluck to you and your journey to finally be inducted into the HOF. To put Irvin in before Monk is favoritism, BS, facetime money and well total disreguard for stats when the player left the league. March on Art Monk march on Redskins!

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]Yes he should he was a great receiver but he hasn't got in yet and this year with all the big names I just don't see it happen and right now Irvin is the better of the 2, Monk hasn't made a top 6 candidate ever Irvin did it i nhis first year and he should had been inducted last year as harris and wright when they made the top 6 in my opinion it's dumb that the committe put players off after they reach the top six if six can get in then put six in.

For that matter I didn't think Young deserved to be there not as a first ballot for that matter.[/QUOTE]


The thing is, back in Art Monk's playing days, his name was always mentioned amongst the top receivers in the league: Steve Largent, Jerry Rice, Henry Ellard, etc...I think the only advantage that the other "big names" have this year is the fact that they might still be fresh in people's minds. But, as far as all the tangibles and intangibles required for Monk to make the hall of fame, he possesses them all. It's just a shame that the hall of fame committee won't vote him in because they just don't like the guy.

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does anyone have the career stats of both so we can compare?im sure monks career stats are better than irvins,by a country mile da boyz also says young didnt deserve it,alittle bit of sour grapes because of what those niner teams did to the cowboys back then?in my recollection,young was one hell of a qback,well deserving of canton

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[QUOTE=dmek25]does anyone have the career stats of both so we can compare?im sure monks career stats are better than irvins,by a country mile[/QUOTE]

[url]http://profootballhof.com/history/release.jsp?release_id=1265[/url]


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[B][U]Rank Player League Yrs. No. Yards Avg. TD[/U][/B]
5 Art Monk NFL 16 940 12,721 13.5 68
17T Michael Irvin NFL 12 750 11,904 15.9 65
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Granted, Monk played longer, but it's at least a country mile. Monk is the highest rated eligible receiver not to be in the HOF. The fact that all but three of the names on the list (Largent, Lofton, and Joiner) retired AFTER Monk underscores how amazing his stats are.

EDIT: I forgot Lofton retired before Monk.

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I believe longeivity in the league should also be considered. It's a tremendous feat for any player to play on a high level for longer than ten years nowadays.

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yeah but if you divide the stats between the years

monk has an average of 795 yards per season and 4.25 td per season while Irvin has 992 yard per year 5.41 td per season.

And if you take out his last season when he got hurth in his fourth game that ended his carrer you talking about an average of 1,067 yards per season and a 5.63 td average per season way above monk and even if you take monk last year when he played only 3 games his stast would be 840 yards per year and a 4.53 td ratio.

they both have 3 rings the only other difference a see is that monk was a 3 time pro bowler and irvin had 5

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The bottom line (IMHO) is that this is all Jerry Rice's fault. Monk obliterated the reception record. If not for Rice re-obliterating it (much more convincingly, I might add) a few years later, Monk is a first ballot HOF'er and we would not be having this conversation right now.

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]yeah but if you divide the stats between the years monk has an average of 795 yards per season and 4.25 td per season while Irvin has 992 yard per year 5.41 td per season.[/QUOTE]

According to that logic, Larry Fitzgerald is better than either of them because he will average over 1000 yards and 8 TDs a season after his first two years?

[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]And if you take out his last season when he got hurth in his fourth game that ended his carrer you talking about an average of 1,067 yards per season and a 5.63 td average per season way above monk and even if you take monk last year when he played only 3 games his stast would be 840 yards per year and a 4.53 td ratio.[/QUOTE]

Um...let's not get into the "what if" game, OK? Who cares what Irvin "would have done" if he hadn't gotten hurt? Imagine how good Irvin would have been if he could have laid of the crack pipe!

[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]they both have 3 rings the only other difference a see is that monk was a 3 time pro bowler and irvin had 5[/QUOTE]

So, longevity means nothing? What about the fact that Monk won his rings over a 10 year period, whereas Irvin got them in 4 years? That suggests Irvin was consistently surrounded by talent, whereas Monk perhaps had to work harder.