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I think you also have to see it this way. A vital part of a young qb's development, especially in regards to a particular system, is to watch a veteran quarterback go out there and run the system. It helps the inexperienced guys see how things work, and it also helps to cut down on the "trial and error" time that it would normally take for QBs that are thrown into the fire from the start. The guys on the bench can see what works and what doesn't, or what the vet does to get out of bad situations. When a young qb sees how this is played on the field by the vet, then when he gets his chance, he is going to have a better understanding. Of course, ultimately, what helps the young guy out is to play, but at least he plays with a little more confidents in knowing he has an idea of how the system is supposed to be ran, rather than to basically go out there and guess. I think that is a big confidence booster for QBs like Ramsey and Campbell. The less mistakes they can cut down on before they even step out onto the field, the better they're going to play and the faster the development as well.

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[QUOTE=Twilbert07]Brunell's comeback peaked in the couple of games after Dallas.

Now, he's back to a middle-of-the-pack QB. In passing yards, he ranks 15th (2,356 yards) and his QB rating is 13th (86.8).

Bring on Campbell next year, and keep Brunell as a seasoned veteran backup.[/QUOTE]

That's better than his career QB rating, and his third highest for a full season. He'll end up with ~3500 yards, which is, again, right around his average. The only stat that is really out of whack is the fumbles lost. He averages about 5-6 (with 2-3 lost) per year, but is on pace for almost 13 fumbles with 10 lost this year.

Maybe that says something, but I don't think he's "suddenly" a middle-of-the-pack QB. He is what he's always been, stat-wise.


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Last year was a wash for Brunell, Gibbs was trying to adjust his scheme, he didn't have the weapons he does now, he was playing hurt and it's no secret that the offense as a whole struggled.

This year we saw some flashes of what Brunell and this offense is capable of. I just think it's premature to say MB's time is over already. I don't see Ramsey getting another shot as the starter unless he really outperforms Brunell during the offseason, and I think we can forget about seeing Campbell until 2007.

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I'm open to a QB competition in 2006, for sure. It's just that Jason Campbell would have to be extremely impressive to supplant Mark Brunell in my opinion. Brunell is an above-average NFL QB right now, just has he always was in Jacksonville.

I'll stick with Mark Brunell. He is not the reason we're losing games. He's one of the reasons that we have a chance to win every game that we end up losing.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Last year was a wash for Brunell, Gibbs was trying to adjust his scheme, he didn't have the weapons he does now, he was playing hurt and it's no secret that the offense as a whole struggled.

This year we saw some flashes of what Brunell and this offense is capable of. I just think it's premature to say MB's time is over already. I don't see Ramsey getting another shot as the starter unless he really outperforms Brunell during the offseason, and I think we can forget about seeing Campbell until 2007.[/QUOTE]

I don't think your and his positions are mutually exclusive. I think NFLeurope's point was that making the playoffs will be the ultimate determinative factor in gauging his success. Yours (and the point I tried to make) seems to be that we can't know whether he's successful or not till after next year.

I think those two points are correct. MB has, through his improved performance this season, earned the right to start next year (IMO). We'll see what he does with it...

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I don't see Ramsey getting another shot as the starter unless he really outperforms Brunell during the offseason, and I think we can forget about seeing Campbell until 2007.[/QUOTE]

Steve McNair didn't play till his 3rd season, that one turned out pretty well. Nothing wrong with bringing Campbell along slowly. Matty's right, why rush it when you have a QB with a rating of 86 guiding your offense?

As a sidebar, I don't think Ramsey will be a Redskin in 2006. I'd be very surprised if he's still here.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]As a sidebar, I don't think Ramsey will be a Redskin in 2006. I'd be very surprised if he's still here.[/QUOTE]

Does Campbell move to #2? If so, we might see him sooner than we thought...

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]I don't think your and his positions are mutually exclusive. I think NFLeurope's point was that making the playoffs will be the ultimate determinative factor in gauging his success. Yours (and the point I tried to make) seems to be that we can't know whether he's successful or not till after next year.

I think those two points are correct. MB has, through his improved performance this season, earned the right to start next year (IMO). We'll see what he does with it...[/QUOTE]

It would be nothing short of asinine to judge Mark Brunell primarily based on whether or not the Redskins make the playoffs. Last I checked it was a team game. Mark Brunell has held up his end of the bargain, he is running the offense efficiently and effectively. If we do indeed fall short of the playoffs, the blame can be placed:

1) Injuries to the defensive line (Griffin and Salavea'a make the defense great when they're healthy).
2) Lack of ability to power run the ball when needed.
3) Lack of a viable #2 WR.
4) Inconsistent play at the #2 CB spot.

You can't blame Mark Brunell, it's hard to ask for more from a QB than he has given us.

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aside from the fumbles,mark brunell has not been a problem for the redskins.he is definitely the starter next year.does anyone know if has had problems in the past with fumbling?

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]That's better than his career QB rating, and his third highest for a full season. He'll end up with ~3500 yards, which is, again, right around his average. The only stat that is really out of whack is the fumbles lost. He averages about 5-6 (with 2-3 lost) per year, but is on pace for almost 13 fumbles with 10 lost this year.

Maybe that says something, but I don't think he's "suddenly" a middle-of-the-pack QB. He is what he's always been, stat-wise.


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I never said he "suddenly" was middle of the pack. I said he was "back to a middle-of-the-pack QB." And that means, he's back to where he's always been - an adequate QB who can manage games. However, as others have said on this thread, his fumbling is a major problem. (For Ramsey, it was one-and-done when it came to fumbles this year.)

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[QUOTE=wewhite3]Why wouldn't any skin fan, wouldn't want Campbell to start, there no reason to bring in any other QB or keep, trying to hope Ramsey will just emerge like Brady and save the day, I'm so curious to see what Campbell can do, since some people in here thinks that he's such a dummy, its hard enough being a QB in this league, but still the Black QB has to continue to prove himself........the more things change the more they stay the same[/QUOTE]If they thought he was so dumb why did we wast a first round draft pick on him.

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When in doubt, blame Brunell and wonder... WWRD (What Would Ramsey Do?)

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Neither Brunell nor Ramsey is the long-term answer to the Skins' QB situation. So for now, we stick with what we have - Brunell. However, next year, I hope we begin to figure out a long-term solution.

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I picked Brunell, but if things go south and Campbell gets to play this year it could change things.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]It would be nothing short of asinine to judge Mark Brunell primarily based on whether or not the Redskins make the playoffs. Last I checked it was a team game. Mark Brunell has held up his end of the bargain, he is running the offense efficiently and effectively. If we do indeed fall short of the playoffs, the blame can be placed:

1) Injuries to the defensive line (Griffin and Salavea'a make the defense great when they're healthy).
2) Lack of ability to power run the ball when needed.
3) Lack of a viable #2 WR.
4) Inconsistent play at the #2 CB spot.

You can't blame Mark Brunell, it's hard to ask for more from a QB than he has given us.[/QUOTE]

Nobody said it was fair - it's just the way it is. QBs, however, are held to different standards. Nobody talks about how many games a RB or WR has won. If we don't make the playoffs, people will look back and ask why we brought in an aging QB instead of grooming younger talent.

Keep in mind - this isn't about MB or his talent. He is a winner and he has proved himself more or less on an increasing basis since he has been here. What willl be judged is the hindsight wisdom of the front office in bringing him here if the team does not make the playoffs.