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Taylor must be a very talented spitter to get it through his face mask and not show up on the multidue of video and still cameras on that field. I guess time will tell if someone actually got it on tape or film, but I really think if spit did get on the Buc it was accidental. It did not look like Taly hocked one on this guy. The ref overreacted.

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I am glad everyone gives ST the benefit of the doubt, but i will say this, if he did spit on pittman, then i put him basically in the same category as marcus vick. If Tampa would of kept that drive going and scored, i would of been pissed. Thanks Gregg for keeping them boys focused and making the big plays today.

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if taylor did indeed spit on him, it's inexcusable. if i saw him do it with my own eyes, i'd say it was classless. but the camera shows nothing- and if williams takes him at his word, i give him the benefit too.

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My last comment on this. I cant believe some of you are actually taking the refs side...lol knowing all of us seen the replay and seen no spit whatsoever..nough said!!!

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The only way I can see the incident happening is that it happened immediately at the end of the play before the players got off the ground. They were still jawing at each other when they got up and Pittman slapped him. It could be that we didn't see that part on film. While I don't want to beleive Taylor spit this is the second time in two years he has been acused of a simular act. In the game last year with Cleveland he was also aledged to have spit on a player. I hope this is not a trend and this will be the last of these type incidents.

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[QUOTE=Hail2em]My last comment on this. I cant believe some of you are actually taking the refs side...lol knowing all of us seen the replay and seen no spit whatsoever..nough said!!![/QUOTE]

Considering Taylor's rep, how can anyone defend him??

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Cry me a river...Isn't Pittman the guy who beat the hell out of his wife?

Taylor shouldn't have spit on him, he should of taken a big dump and thrown it in his face.

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS! LOSERS STAY HOME, WE'RE OFF TO SEATTLE!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Considering Taylor's rep, how can anyone defend him??[/QUOTE]


Reputations are irrelevent... given how many of us personally know the guy how can anyone here convict him???

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Right... I guess one of the best refs in the game just had a c-note on the game and was trying to swing the momentum by handing out a phantom penalty and ejection on a boy scout of a guy in Sean Taylor.

Some of you guys are hilarious.

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Anyone see the NFL Channel commercial where they made fun of Drew Rosenhaus? Guy with the banjo? What did they say?

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Couple points:
We still do not know 100 percent what happened and if he really did spit, best bet is to ask Pittman.

If Sean Taylor did NOT spit then why was he NOT angry when he left the stadium and after the call. If I truly did not spit on someone and was being kicked out for it, then I would get mad and tell my coachs and be upset, ST seemed niether.

If ST did actually spit, then he made a huge mistake by telling GW he did not. That is an almost Marcus Vick like "fake apology"(publicly lying).

I personally think he did not, but I guess thats my opinion as a Skins fan.

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[QUOTE=hooskins]Couple points:
We still do not know 100 percent what happened and if he really did spit, best bet is to ask Pittman.

If Sean Taylor did NOT spit then why was he NOT angry when he left the stadium and after the call. If I truly did not spit on someone and was being kicked out for it, then I would get mad and tell my coachs and be upset, ST seemed niether.

If ST did actually spit, then he made a huge mistake by telling GW he did not. That is an almost Marcus Vick like "fake apology"(publicly lying).

I personally think he did not, but I guess thats my opinion as a Skins fan.[/QUOTE]

Here's what Pittman said

"There was a lot of trash-talking the whole time," Pittman said. "He spit in my face, no man is going to spit in my face. I have a lot of respect for Sean Taylor, but no respect no more. My initial reaction was, just hit him in the face. He'd be a lot worse if it was on the street."

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Here's what Pittman said

"There was a lot of trash-talking the whole time," Pittman said. "He spit in my face, no man is going to spit in my face. I have a lot of respect for Sean Taylor, but no respect no more. My initial reaction was, just hit him in the face. He'd be a lot worse if it was on the street."[/QUOTE]

ooohhhh, so tough. I wonder if he was putting on his Hanes ribbed beefy "wife beater" tank top on as he said that.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Guys I have a high def 62 inch tv and saw nothing to indicate spitting in any way. Nothing. If he spit it was the weakest nothing spit in history. I think it is quite possible he simply spittled while talking to the guy. It was a crap situation. I think there should have been two off-setting flags and no ejection.[/QUOTE]

The ref was stanging right there... you trust your hi-def over a guy that was standing 1 foot away? You think the ref was just making shit up or was he just out to get ST?

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Was f_cking discusting and degrading..... spitting In a man's face.... what a punk thing to do..he's a great player but he screwed up ...no defending this

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i'll tell you this: i've given taylor the benefit of the doubt so far... if it is proven that he did indeed spit on pittman, i not only lose respect for his actions, but his word as well.

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There's no way Taylor is getting suspended. That would be foolish. Besides, I'm not convinced it even happened. There should have been a flag thrown on the Bucs' player as well.

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Goddamn guys... none of us were there, and he's on my team. I didnt see shit and I was looking for it. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt until I see otherwise. I agree that spitting in the face of a guy is a shitty thing to do, and you should get punished for it.... but if he was just mouthing off and a little spit particle flew from his mouth as he spoke... and he got punched.... and ejected..... and tampa got 15 yards.... and a first down...... thats a little much.

And what about the ref that ejected smith the other week. Smith meant him no more harm than Washington did when he slapped him on the ass... he just wanted to talk to him. These ref's should be full time and paid to referee full time.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Right... I guess one of the best refs in the game just had a c-note on the game and was trying to swing the momentum by handing out a phantom penalty and ejection on a boy scout of a guy in Sean Taylor.

Some of you guys are hilarious.[/QUOTE]


I agree, didn't Taylor spit in TO's face last year?

The one thing I disagreed with there is Pittman didn't get a penalty to offset the personel foul by Taylor, Taking a swing and connecting to a player's head I thought was an automatic ejection as well? Retaliating regardless of what happen's to you is a penalty as well, it should have been called.

But regardless it was an absoltue idiotic move on Taylors part, as if this guy doesn't have enough going on trying to clean up his image before his trial he pulls something like this and reinforces his stupidity and total disregard for authority, I am sure his defense team was really amused by his actions today!

And for anyone who believes he didn't spit, he sure reacted funny for a player who was just ejected for an opposing player punching him in the head, I think he took it awfully well. :hitfan:

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[QUOTE=canthetuna]Goddamn guys... none of us were there, and he's on my team. I didnt see shit and I was looking for it. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt until I see otherwise. I agree that spitting in the face of a guy is a shitty thing to do, and you should get punished for it.... but if he was just mouthing off and a little spit particle flew from his mouth as he spoke... and he got punched.... and ejected..... and tampa got 15 yards.... and a first down...... thats a little much.

And what about the ref that ejected smith the other week. Smith meant him no more harm than Washington did when he slapped him on the ass... he just wanted to talk to him. These ref's should be full time and paid to referee full time.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I agree they should be full time refs!!!

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I agree that it couldn't have been a great big loogy because that would have been visible even on normal-def t.v. and having watched the entire incident several times I see no evidence whatsoever.

I suggest there must have been a second spitter. One of Pittman's own teamates or perhaps another official. We're through the looking glass here people...

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[QUOTE=70Chip]I agree that it couldn't have been a great big loogy because that would have been visible even on normal-def t.v. and having watched the entire incident several times I see no evidence whatsoever.

I suggest there must have been a second spitter. One of Pittman's own teamates or perhaps another official. We're through the looking glass here people...[/QUOTE]
Lmao.... well there was the Grassy Field kinda knoll like thing there so maybe you're on to something

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Considering Taylor's rep, how can anyone defend him??[/QUOTE]

Matty I'm surprised, you usually keep a pretty level head about this. It's SPIT! Let me ask you, what is worse: spitting on someone, or punching someone?

Both acts are dirty, true. But one is designed to hurt, the other is just disgusting. I guess for me, I just don't understand what the big deal is about being spit on.

And that's assuming that it actually HAPPENED! Since all we saw was a head-bob, it's very likely that ST just called Pittman a PuSSy, or some other very percussive-sounding word that resulted in some inadvertent saliva.

This was not a Romanowski loogie, and anyone who is claiming so is overreacting, just as the ref did. If it was a major spit, it would have shown up on camera. If there was any spit at all, it was small enough to get missed by the cameras.

I'm not so much defending Sean Taylor as I am attacking the refs. In the playoffs, you LET THE PLAYERS PLAY. And who the f*ck wants a bunch of prim and proper p*ssies on their defense anyway? I for one am glad Sean Taylor is rough around the edges, it's part of what makes him so intimidating. If you think that's not an asset to his play, then you're naive. And if you think that spits don't happen all the time, then that's naive too. Especially in the playoffs.

But in the end, who really cares. I highly doubt ST will be suspended, so no harm done. If his public image is damaged, I just don't give a f*ck. He's a great player for my favorite team, and classless or not, that's all that matters to me. But I was brought up here in Philly, so maybe that explains why I feel the way I feel about it.

DON'T OVERREACT. IT'S JUST SPIT! IT DOESN'T HURT!

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Just spit?

So if someone spit in your face would you be able to restrain yourself and laugh it off?? I know if someone spit in my face they'd better turn and run really damn fast.

Whatever man... spitting is widely considered as one of the most disrespectful things you can do to a person.

It's downright dispicable and to steal a line from Sean Salisbury it's BUSH LEAGUE.

There's no room in the game for that sort of behavior. In fact there's no room in life for crap like that.

Just spit?

You've really gotta be kidding me.

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Is there an actual rule that allows for a player to be ejected if they spit on another player? Is it that specific? Or do we think this is Carey's personal interpretation of "unsportsmanlike conduct"?

Maybe Taylor is, as Jamie Foxx says, just "juicy"...(you know, one of those guys with excessive oral fluid)

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Just spit?

So if someone spit in your face would you be able to restrain yourself and laugh it off?? I know if someone spit in my face they'd better turn and run really damn fast.

Whatever man... spitting is widely considered as one of the most disrespectful things you can do to a person.

It's downright dispicable and to steal a line from Sean Salisbury it's BUSH LEAGUE.

There's no room in the game for that sort of behavior. In fact there's no room in life for crap like that.

Just spit?

You've really gotta be kidding me.[/QUOTE]

No room in the game? I think you're the one that's kidding yourself, Matty. It happens all the time. If this is a regular season game, I can see ejecting a guy. But in the playoffs? In the playoffs it makes sense to eject a guy for spitting? Just flag him for 15 yards, it's not like he tried to injure him.

If someone spits, yes it's classless. I won't try to argue otherwise. But all I'm saying is that it's not worth ejecting a player for, possibly swinging the balance of the game. I think the refs overreacted, a 15 yard penalty is suitable punishment in my opinion. Especially considering nobody, NOBODY can find any spit actually hitting Pittman.

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As a follow-up, arguing about how disrespectful it is to spit in someone's face was not my intention. All I meant to say was that if ST did actually spit in Pittman's face, then I'll deal with it. Sean Taylor is worth it, and his if his fiery personality leads to questionable behavior that comes across as classless, then that's fine with me. Because that fiery personality is the exact thing that makes him a special player. I'll definitely take the good with the bad, and all I initially meant to say was that nobody should be coming down on Sean Taylor. Call him classless all you want, but he can still play on my defense any day.

I still don't think the refs should eject someone for spitting, they don't even eject people for taking swings at each other. That just makes no sense to me, eject someone for spitting, but if someone takes a swing, that's fine. What would you rather have, germs in your face or a bloody nose? I'll take the germs, thanks.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Just spit?

So if someone spit in your face would you be able to restrain yourself and laugh it off?? I know if someone spit in my face they'd better turn and run really damn fast.

Whatever man... spitting is widely considered as one of the most disrespectful things you can do to a person.

It's downright dispicable and to steal a line from Sean Salisbury it's BUSH LEAGUE.

There's no room in the game for that sort of behavior. In fact there's no room in life for crap like that.

Just spit?

You've really gotta be kidding me.[/QUOTE]

The problem with this line of reasoning is it compares what's acceptable in the normal real world to what's acceptable on the football field.

I'm pretty sure lunging at a person and driving their face into the ground in the middle of the street would be considered unacceptable in the real world, but it's pretty common in the NFL.

There is a fair amount of evidence (it's been written about in psychological journals and the like) that the inordinate amount of off-field troubles by pro athletes, especially those who play contact sports, has to do with the fact that their livelihoods, their sense of belonging, and ultimately how they are compared against their peers, are largely determined by how aggressive and animalistic they can be (you don't usually see this in QB's, WR's, or kickers, but otherwise, it's pretty true).

To put it bluntly, it's just not that easy for some of these guys to "turn it off". Some guys, like Taylor apparently, play so close to the edge that they are probably slightly out of control on the field. And in that kind of environment, crazy stuff happens. Ask Lawrence Taylor about it. He talks all the time about playing games where he can't really remember what happened, he was just in this zone, and at the end, everyone's asking him how crazy he was to be diving all over the place killing people.

Personally, I'm mad at Sean Taylor for putting the team in jeopardy for something so foolish. I can't see anything blatant or Romo-style from the replay, and I've seen it a dozen times now, so whatever it was must not have been that deliberate or thought out.

At any event, I've no allusions about him being a "classy" player. He will never be a classy player. Most NFL players will never be classy. Guys like Darrell, Monte, and Charles Mann, they were classy. But they were special, too.

Guys like Sean are just angry, heat-seeking missiles looking to destroy something. And you can't ask a heat-seeking missile to stop and think about what it's doing. You just point it in the right direction and get the f*** out of the way. You take all the dozens of game-saving plays with the one or two boneheaded ones

Just my .02

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Just spit?

So if someone spit in your face would you be able to restrain yourself and laugh it off?? I know if someone spit in my face they'd better turn and run really damn fast.

Whatever man... spitting is widely considered as one of the most disrespectful things you can do to a person.

It's downright dispicable and to steal a line from Sean Salisbury it's BUSH LEAGUE.

There's no room in the game for that sort of behavior. In fact there's no room in life for crap like that.

Just spit?

You've really gotta be kidding me.[/QUOTE]

I Usually dont agree with Matty lol but this time I am 100% with you its sickening

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]No room in the game? I think you're the one that's kidding yourself, Matty. It happens all the time. If this is a regular season game, I can see ejecting a guy. But in the playoffs? In the playoffs it makes sense to eject a guy for spitting? Just flag him for 15 yards, it's not like he tried to injure him.

If someone spits, yes it's classless. I won't try to argue otherwise. But all I'm saying is that it's not worth ejecting a player for, possibly swinging the balance of the game. I think the refs overreacted, a 15 yard penalty is suitable punishment in my opinion. Especially considering nobody, NOBODY can find any spit actually hitting Pittman.[/QUOTE]

So because we can't see it at home on TV we're somehow better equiped to formulate an opinion as opposed to the ref that was standing right there??

As for this happening all the time... funny because I didn't realize spitting was such a common occurence in the NFL. I must be missing all these highlights of guys spitting in each other's faces.

Perhaps the penalty didn't fit the crime and was a bit harsh, but that's not my point. My point is there's no defending such a classless action. ST is a punk. He ruined what was turning out to be a monster game for him, his postseason coming out party. It's really a shame.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]As a follow-up, arguing about how disrespectful it is to spit in someone's face was not my intention. All I meant to say was that if ST did actually spit in Pittman's face, then I'll deal with it. Sean Taylor is worth it, and his if his fiery personality leads to questionable behavior that comes across as classless, then that's fine with me. Because that fiery personality is the exact thing that makes him a special player. I'll definitely take the good with the bad, and all I initially meant to say was that nobody should be coming down on Sean Taylor. Call him classless all you want, but he can still play on my defense any day.

I still don't think the refs should eject someone for spitting, they don't even eject people for taking swings at each other. That just makes no sense to me, eject someone for spitting, but if someone takes a swing, that's fine. What would you rather have, germs in your face or a bloody nose? I'll take the germs, thanks.[/QUOTE]

I hear you now.

I'll take him on my D anyday too, but I still think he's a punk.

I think it's a borderline call for the refs, it's harsh but think about what happens if you leave him in the game. You just know that's a sitution that won't go away and will only escalate at some point later in the game. Someone would eventually take a shot at ST for revenge and things could get ugly. For the refs they made the call to squash the entire thing and boot him, so I can see that rationale.

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Yea this is now the 2nd time he has done this, plus the DUI and pulling the gun on the dude down in Miami. His record is not looking really good, I really hope Gibbs sits downs and has a long talk to him about character and morals.

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my boy got the number 1 spot on Sports center :)

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I can't believe that so many of you guys are sticking up for this guy!
That is totally inexcusable.

I think it is funny that all the announcers were on your side. Joe was screaming, "that is the worst call I have ever seen." Give me a break. The ref saw it and immediately ran over there to break it up, then threw the flag. Then ejected him! As he should have been.

I love how so many of you are saying, "I didn't see the spit." Crap people, pull your heads out of your asses... please. Did you see the reaction of probably the most acurate ref in football??? Joe "I love the Redskins" Theisman sure as hell didn't.

If you want to continue to back up a punk and a hoodlum, be my guest.
It is DC after all I guess.

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[QUOTE=22stillrocks]I can't believe that so many of you guys are sticking up for this guy!
That is totally inexcusable.

I think it is funny that all the announcers were on your side. Joe was screaming, "that is the worst call I have ever seen." Give me a break. The ref saw it and immediately ran over there to break it up, them threw the flag. Then ejected him! As he should have been.

I love how so many of you are saying, "I didn't see the spit." Crap people, pull your heads out of your asses... please. Did you see the reaction of probably the most acurate ref in football??? Joe "I love the Redskins" Theisman sure as hell didn't.

If you want to continue to back up a punk and a hoodlum, be my guest.
It is DC after all I guess.[/QUOTE]

First of all you do not even know what ur talking about, so do ur research before you say stuff. Joe T said that because at the time we did NOT know that ST spit on the other player, no one knew. At that time it seemed like Pitman pushed Talyor and Taylor got the penalty. Dude of course that was the right call, and ask Joe T right now and he will agree to. So every announcer did NOT support ST spitting on someone, rather it was unknown at the time.
And by the way, did YOU see spit from the camera angle given????? No one did, I am not saying ST didnt spit, its seems that he did, but you can not see it, that is why its controversial. Go back and watch it on HD, I promise you will not see spit go from Taylor to Pittman, its not visible.

Anyways I would not be doing much shit talking if I were you. Where are the Cowboys right now???...Oh thats right watching the playoffs from home....

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By the way Roy Williams sucks, and we proved that TWICE at the first Redskins Dallas game, where he basically lost the game for guys. Most overrated safety at the probowl, and Taylor is better skillwise any day.

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[QUOTE=hooskins]First of all you do not even know what ur talking about, so do ur research before you say stuff. Joe T said that because at the time we did NOT know that ST spit on the other player, no one knew. At that time it seemed like Pitman pushed Talyor and Taylor got the penalty. Dude of course that was the right call, and ask Joe T right now and he will agree to. So every announcer did NOT support ST spitting on someone, rather it was unknown at the time.

Anyways I would not be doing much shit talking if I were you. Where are the Cowboys right now???...Oh thats right watching the playoffs from home....[/QUOTE]

That is my point exactly!
Joe didn't even consider the possibility that maybe, JUST MAYBE, he missed something that the ref did not. Instead, he went off like a bat out of hell about how horrible the call was, and how it would affect the game, blah, blah, blah!

Tayor is a punk, and will always be! Mark my words, in the offseason he will be caught shooting some gangster down at the pimp house.

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[QUOTE=22stillrocks]That is my point exactly!
Joe didn't even consider the possibility that maybe, JUST MAYBE, he missed something that the ref did not. Instead, he went off like a bat out of hell about how horrible the call was, and how it would affect the game, blah, blah, blah!

Tayor is a punk, and will always be! Mark my words, in the offseason he will be caught shooting some gangster down at the pimp house.[/QUOTE]

If you have the game recorded go back and watch AGAIN bc all of them including Joe T, said this is a terrible call, and the refs must know something else that we do not know, and they said that the ref was one of the best in the NFL and that there is probably something else going on. So yes that did go through their minds, and they mentioned that on national TV. So yet again you are wrong.

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Dude if there was a Cowboy in the exact position Taylor was in the game, you would have been intially upset too as well. If all you saw was some other teams player hitting your teams player, and he got the flag. Well thats what the nation saw, and the annoucers also made clear there is probably something else going on. So right now your argument is null and void, and I basically see it as a way for you to channel your frustration that the Cowboys are far more inferior than the Redskins this season. It is 4am, I have proven my point, good night.

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[QUOTE=hooskins]Dude if there was a Cowboy in the exact position Taylor was in the game, you would have been intially upset too as well. If all you saw was some other teams player hitting your teams player, and he got the flag. Well thats what the nation saw, and the annoucers also made clear there is probably something else going on. So right now your argument is null and void, and I basically see it as a way for you to channel your frustration that the Cowboys are far more inferior than the Redskins this season. It is 4am, I have proven my point, good night.[/QUOTE]

NO, I would call for that Cowboy to be kicked off the team.
And yea, we are inferior this season...
but I take the same approach with pro ball as I do with college ball. Redskins are the worst team ever, the evil of all evil, until the bowl games (playoffs). I think the NFC east was the toughest division in football this year, and now it is up to the Redskins and Giants to prove it. Jaksonville doesn't (didn't) belong, among others. And make no mistake, the Cowboys will be back nasty next year!

HOOK EM!