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[QUOTE=skinsguy]Remember guys...that is why we got Jason Campbell. However, I think it was a great move to have Brunell starting for us this year. Believe me, you'll find that Campbell AND Ramsey benefited a great deal by watching a decent veteran QB run the offense. Sure, Brunell isn't a TOP QUALITY QB, but he is a quality QB who is going to give you a chance in the game. It was a smart move.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. The book on Campbell before the draft was that we was a terrific prospect who needed time to develop. I think working with Gibbs and his crew and learning from Brunell is a great situation for him. If he can add some of Brunell's knowledge to his physical skill, he has the potential to be our QB of the future.

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I agree with the conservative calling. I must say this and i know some people will agree and that is with our running game and yes we did great this year running the ball, but when you cant run inside which is not portis' strong point we need to run the tosses and sweeps for portis he ran much more effective with that style of running today when we did run them plays. I just think we have to run the ball to his style of running and will continue to say that.

Great Year regardless of outcome...... Hail2em :)

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we have no choice, we don't have any offensive weapons aside from moss and cooley
we need to upgrade this on the offseason

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The offense has been the weak link in this team for 2 years now. The last two games were truly awful, from an offensive standpoint. Our "D" is a championship calibre defense and was the same last year. It's sad to see them play so well, game in and game out, only to be undone by an offense that sometimes shows up and many times does not.

Would love to see another competition at QB at training camp next summer, but my guess is that Gibbs will stick with his man. Brunell played well (even great) for spurts this season, but he has been awful these last few games. The O's poor play and total inability to even move the ball is why our season ended tonight. Bottom line is - Brunell will never take us to a championship.

We also need to upgrade our kicking game. A new punter is needed and John Hall just cannot kick off worth a d*** anymore. On a regular basis, our opponents were starting from the 30 yard line and even more, mostly due to his poor kickoffs. A good kicking game is crucial for the Skins to improve.

Having said all that, this was still a season to be proud of. I, for one, believed they were through when they were 5-6, but they fought back with a lot of guts. Makes you wonder how far we can go if we can only get a higher level of play from our QB?

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[QUOTE=LadyT]The offense has been the weak link in this team for 2 years now. The last two games were truly awful, from an offensive standpoint. Our "D" is a championship calibre defense and was the same last year. It's sad to see them play so well, game in and game out, only to be undone by an offense that sometimes shows up and many times does not.

Would love to see another competition at QB at training camp next summer, but my guess is that Gibbs will stick with his man. Brunell played well (even great) for spurts this season, but he has been awful these last few games. The O's poor play and total inability to even move the ball is why our season ended tonight. Bottom line is - Brunell will never take us to a championship.

We also need to upgrade our kicking game. A new punter is needed and John Hall just cannot kick off worth a d*** anymore. On a regular basis, our opponents were starting from the 30 yard line and even more, mostly due to his poor kickoffs. A good kicking game is crucial for the Skins to improve.

Having said all that, this was still a season to be proud of. I, for one, believed they were through when they were 5-6, but they fought back with a lot of guts. Makes you wonder how far we can go if we can only get a higher level of play from our QB?[/QUOTE]

Not to kiss your butt too much, but I love how much thought you put into your posts. They are always so well written.

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Ramseyfan, I think a big reason Gibbs wouldn't come out throwing in the first half is cuz our field position sucked. We started (on average) from our own 10-12 yd line on our first 6 possessions. In the rain, with a wet ball, you don't take chances when you're backed up like that.

Derrick Frost was huge today. I think Tupa's history.

Brunell has been a servicable QB, but with Portis banged up and Randy Thomas out, Brunell's play simply wasn't good enough to win. I think the O-line has been the problem the last 3 games. They didn't play as good as they were against St Louis, AZ, Dallas and NY.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I'm sorry, but to get 3+ turnovers and lose is a disgrace. To get the kind of offensive performance we did in the first half is inexcusable. 3 first downs? 3 first downs? We weren't going against the Bucs, so we can't blame it on the defense we were playing.

Our defense limited one of the best offenses in the league to 20 points at their home. With the turnovers we should have been able to seal the deal.[/QUOTE]
SHUT UP!

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[QUOTE=FirstandTen]SHUT UP![/QUOTE]

Apparently, some people cannot debate intelligently. Instead, they react with pure emotion and no logic. I should have figured that people would attack me personally. Given Wilbon and Kornheiser's articles, which also note the offense's poor performance, I guess we should burn them in effigy.

I understand the thread was ill-timed, but given the offense's performance I thought it would be ignoring the 500 lb. gorilla not to talk about the offense. Isn't this site supposed to discuss things? Perhaps I was wrong?

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Apparently, some people cannot debate intelligently. Instead, they react with pure emotion and no logic. I should have figured that people would attack me personally. Given Wilbon and Kornheiser's articles, which also note the offense's poor performance, I guess we should burn them in effigy.

I understand the thread was ill-timed, but given the offense's performance I thought it would be ignoring the 500 lb. gorilla not to talk about the offense. Isn't this site supposed to discuss things? Perhaps I was wrong?[/QUOTE]

Sorry man didn't mean to attack you maybe its just me but these kinda threadsis what I didn't want to see tonight. I have read your posts in the past and usuall respect you thoughts but as you said I thought is was Ill timed. We are not Tony K. or anyone else in the media whos job it is to criticize we can give at least this one night to be happy where we got this year and look back on a great season. We have six months to think about the future. Again I didn't mean to attack you and appologize if you took it the wrong way.

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Ramseyfan - I agree. I've been complaining about the conservative offense all year. It seems until we're behind by 10-14 it's not worth being aggressive. If we do get out to a lead we squat on it, get our offense out of any sort of rhythm they had created, and all around suck and force a tired defense to squeak out a win instead of attempting to put it out of reach earlier. Im certainly not asking for 3 throws when we're up by 10, but at least attempt to get the first downs.

Today our defense was pathetic, I don't care what you say 3 first downs is pathetic. Portis couldn't get going due to their D swarming he run and also, in my opinion, due to a hurting Chris Samuels and absent Randy Thomas.

Playcalling hasn't changed from most of the season, but if the games you're referring to are the games where we actually played some great offense (Giants, Dallas) then look again. Granted, in these games Brunell hit wide open targets. But in these games we tried deep, we hit Cooley with mid range plays a lot, and we mixed it up a lot more. Granted, the sample sizes between these games varied quite a bit, but regardless we still weren't calling the same game.

I love Gibbs as a head coach, the motivation, confidence, and aura of winning he brings to the team cannot be denied. The players would jump off a cliff like a gaggle of lemmings (what do you call a group of lemmings? Maybe a flock!) for him, but I have not agreed with a lot of the playcalling and offensive decesions this year, including Brunell. While Brunell had some amazing games this year I really liked what I saw from Ramsey in the first game and feel bad he never got a shot, while Brunell played good, and in some games great, Ramsey deserves a legitimate shot at showing what he can bring to the team.

Adaption is a must in the NFL and I didnt see it from us today until the 4th quarter when the "Oh shit, we better do something quick" mentallity set it. Then all of a sudden we could move the ball. Did the players all of a sudden decide to execute? I'm voting no for that one. I feel this loss (and what maybe should have been a loss in Philly, and what should have definitely been a loss in tampa -- luckily we squeaked those out.)

I know the common theme on this board is that Gibbs is infallible and god forbid someone have an opinion that isn't sucking the Redskins organization off, but I feel we could have gone a lot farther this season and post-season with a little more balls put into your playcalling. If it's true you really have to scale back your offense that much for Brunell then he doesn't belong in the game.

In closing, I'm happy with the season, we made a playoff appearance which is rare enough, let alone an actual win. I feel the franchise and success will only grow from here and I can hardly wait till training camp coming up. However, that doesn't mean our team is short of problems. I'm willing to bet Gibbs is trying to think right now how to improve the offense and team.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]
[QUOTE=FirstandTen]SHUT UP![/QUOTE]

Apparently, some people cannot debate intelligently. Instead, they react with pure emotion and no logic. I should have figured that people would attack me personally. Given Wilbon and Kornheiser's articles, which also note the offense's poor performance, I guess we should burn them in effigy.

I understand the thread was ill-timed, but given the offense's performance I thought it would be ignoring the 500 lb. gorilla not to talk about the offense. Isn't this site supposed to discuss things? Perhaps I was wrong?[/QUOTE]
What's unintelligent about this? It is short, concise and gets the point across completely. My English teachers would think it is perfect! j/k

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan] I understand the thread was ill-timed, but given the offense's performance I thought it would be ignoring the 500 lb. gorilla not to talk about the offense. Isn't this site supposed to discuss things? Perhaps I was wrong?[/QUOTE]

Dude, you have no reason to apologize to anybody. In fact, I applaud you for having the jewels to bring this up. Funny thing is if we had lost by a smaller margin (say 3 points), you'd have a lot more people agreeing with you. I just think the reason we were conservative for most of the first half is cuz we had piss poor field position and it was pouring - there was no way Gibbs was going to pass more in that situation.

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[QUOTE=FirstandTen]Sorry man didn't mean to attack you maybe its just me but these kinda threadsis what I didn't want to see tonight. I have read your posts in the past and usuall respect you thoughts but as you said I thought is was Ill timed. We are not Tony K. or anyone else in the media whos job it is to criticize we can give at least this one night to be happy where we got this year and look back on a great season. We have six months to think about the future. Again I didn't mean to attack you and appologize if you took it the wrong way.[/QUOTE]

No problem. In light of today's loss, it was understandable.

As you may know (if you have read my posts recently), I have repeatedly praised the Redskins coaching staff. I said just this morning how no matter how we fared [I]today[/I], [I]our season [/I] was awesome. We did extremely well this season and we have many things to look forward to.

I just posted the thread because, as I said above, to not discuss the offense's woes would be to ignore the 500 lb. gorilla/elephant in the living room.

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Ramseyfan I think you're right about it being too conservative but I think the reasons are personell related. Brunell isn't an air it out QB anymore. We can't win with him in at QB winging all over the place. Not saying we could with Ramsey either but I am pretty darn sure that's a disaster for us with Brunell. I hate to sound like I am railing on the guy everywhere on the board but to me it is more a discussion of where do we need to improve? QB is a place we need to upgrade somehow if possible. Get someone who can allow us to open the playbook.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Ramseyfan I think you're right about it being too conservative but I think the reasons are personell related. Brunell isn't an air it out QB anymore. We can't win with him in at QB winging all over the place. Not saying we could with Ramsey either but I am pretty darn sure that's a disaster for us with Brunell. I hate to sound like I am railing on the guy everywhere on the board but to me it is more a discussion of where do we need to improve? QB is a place we need to upgrade somehow if possible. Get someone who can allow us to open the playbook.[/QUOTE]

I hope that the play-calling is simply a function of the personnel. If so, we're primed to have a monster 2006 season.

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I was a brunell hater,but his play this yr turned me around,yes the off has sucked the past 3 games,is that brunells fault,I dont know,without looking at the coaches films and being able to see who was open downfield that maybe brunell didnt hit,I cant judge him,his play is one of the reasons we got as far as we did,would ramsay have done better,we'll never know,but without any other kind of threat besides moss and cooley it was easy to defense us.Before this game,since we've been on our winning streak,in 6 games the wr's stats besides moss are:thrash 1 rec 41 yrds,jacobs 2 recs for 6 yrds,theres no way theres another team in the nfl whose other wr's sucked that bad,theres a reason jacobs has never been able to be a starter before patten went down and thrash was let go by us and philly.We were running on fumes today,with thomas out and r brown out we did what we could,I cant criticize anything we did today,we just didnt have enough qaulity players left to finish the job
Wish list for next yr
1.qaulity # 2 reciever
2.reliable punter,frost did come around at the end,but his poor punting probably cost us a couple games this yr and could have cost us a couple more,and apparently he cant kickoff or it seems they would have had him doing it
3.fg kicker,halls short kickoffs gave the other teams great field pos all yr,he had 1 tb all yr,I dont have a big problem with his fg accuracy,but his kickoffs are killing us,with our def ,if teams were starting from their 20 instead of the 35-40 yrd line,who knows what are record might have been.
4.Pass rushing def end
thats a lot to get,but we should be able to get at least 2 out of the 4

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I hope that the play-calling is simply a function of the personnel. If so, we're primed to have a monster 2006 season.[/QUOTE]
Everyone talks about this being "Joe Gibbs football" but I remember us being an air it out type team back in 90-91. We threw the hell out of the ball because we could. Gibbs will throw it when he has the personell to do it more safely in his mind.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Everyone talks about this being "Joe Gibbs football" but I remember us being an air it out type team back in 90-91. We threw the hell out of the ball because we could. Gibbs will throw it when he has the personell to do it more safely in his mind.[/QUOTE]

That's actually a pretty good observation. I hope that you are right.

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[QUOTE=LadyT]The offense has been the weak link in this team for 2 years now. The last two games were truly awful, from an offensive standpoint. Our "D" is a championship calibre defense and was the same last year. It's sad to see them play so well, game in and game out, only to be undone by an offense that sometimes shows up and many times does not.

Would love to see another competition at QB at training camp next summer, but my guess is that Gibbs will stick with his man. Brunell played well (even great) for spurts this season, but he has been awful these last few games. The O's poor play and total inability to even move the ball is why our season ended tonight. Bottom line is - Brunell will never take us to a championship.

We also need to upgrade our kicking game. A new punter is needed and John Hall just cannot kick off worth a d*** anymore. On a regular basis, our opponents were starting from the 30 yard line and even more, mostly due to his poor kickoffs. A good kicking game is crucial for the Skins to improve.

Having said all that, this was still a season to be proud of. I, for one, believed they were through when they were 5-6, but they fought back with a lot of guts. Makes you wonder how far we can go if we can only get a higher level of play from our QB?[/QUOTE]

I guess I don't understand why we're calling for heads to roll when we closed out the regular season with the #12-ranked offense in the league, a 3000 yard passer, a 1500 yard rusher, the #2-ranked WR in the league, and two H-Backs with 7 TD's each. Not to mention breaking several team offensive records.

Two underwhelming showings in the playoffs from a fatigued and gimpy team don't make me question the offense, they make me question our depth.

Totally agree on Hall and the kicking game though. Frost was pretty decent today but has not been terribly reliable this year.

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[QUOTE=dgack]I guess I don't understand why we're calling for heads to roll when we closed out the regular season with the #12-ranked offense in the league, a 3000 yard passer, a 1500 yard rusher, the #2-ranked WR in the league, and two H-Backs with 7 TD's each. Not to mention breaking several team offensive records.

Two underwhelming showings in the playoffs from a fatigued and gimpy team don't make me question the offense, they make me question our depth.

Totally agree on Hall and the kicking game though. Frost was pretty decent today but has not been terribly reliable this year.[/QUOTE]
All I am saying is that while everything you sad is all well and good I think that's as good as it can be for us. That's the ceiling. Can't be any better. Not saying they didn't make vast improvements this year and have some real good moments but I can't see this becoming a standout offense on a consistent basis with MB as QB. Just can't. We need to take another equal size step next year with this offense as we did this year but, to me, it is clearly not going to happen unless somehow Brunell gets even better than he got this year. What the answer is don't know but I think Gibbs is the coach who'll figure it out.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]All I am saying is that while everything you sad is all well and good I think that's as good as it can be for us. That's the ceiling. Can't be any better. Not saying they didn't make vast improvements this year and have some real good moments but I can't see this becoming a standout offense on a consistent basis with MB as QB. Just can't. We need to take another equal size step next year with this offense as we did this year but, to me, it is clearly not going to happen unless somehow Brunell gets even better than he got this year. What the answer is don't know but I think Gibbs is the coach who'll figure it out.[/QUOTE]

The problem with Brunell is he just can't take the abuse of a 16 game NFL season to begin with, and when you add playoffs you're talking about 19-20 games to win the whole thing. He ain't getting any younger, either. Max protect schemes kept him fresh for a lot of the season but all it takes is one shot and a guy like that becomes questionable.

He can say he's 100%, but we all know he isn't. That said, I think Brunell is serviceable, and good enough to win it all with the right pieces in place elsewhere. There are a lot of worse QB situations to be in, for sure.

The problem as I see it is the lack of a legitimate WR2. We need a slippery, surehanded threat to keep the secondary honest because Moss can't do it all by himself, and Cooley's been drawing doubleteams lately and he's just not going to be able to be productive like that.

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[QUOTE=dgack]The problem with Brunell is he just can't take the abuse of a 16 game NFL season to begin with, and when you add playoffs you're talking about 19-20 games to win the whole thing. He ain't getting any younger, either. Max protect schemes kept him fresh for a lot of the season but all it takes is one shot and a guy like that becomes questionable.

He can say he's 100%, but we all know he isn't. That said, I think Brunell is serviceable, and good enough to win it all with the right pieces in place elsewhere. There are a lot of worse QB situations to be in, for sure.

The problem as I see it is the lack of a legitimate WR2. We need a slippery, surehanded threat to keep the secondary honest because Moss can't do it all by himself, and Cooley's been drawing doubleteams lately and he's just not going to be able to be productive like that.[/QUOTE]

I agree 100%

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[QUOTE=dgack]The problem with Brunell is he just can't take the abuse of a 16 game NFL season to begin with, and when you add playoffs you're talking about 19-20 games to win the whole thing. He ain't getting any younger, either. Max protect schemes kept him fresh for a lot of the season but all it takes is one shot and a guy like that becomes questionable.

He can say he's 100%, but we all know he isn't. That said, I think Brunell is serviceable, and good enough to win it all with the right pieces in place elsewhere. There are a lot of worse QB situations to be in, for sure.

The problem as I see it is the lack of a legitimate WR2. We need a slippery, surehanded threat to keep the secondary honest because Moss can't do it all by himself, and Cooley's been drawing doubleteams lately and he's just not going to be able to be productive like that.[/QUOTE]
To me you are almost right. The coment about his durability is spot on. But having a QB that REQUIRES max protect simply kills the offense too consistently. I am so tired of one god damn WR sets that it isn't funny(in these your theoretical quality WR2 isn't even in the game). You cannot consistently pass in this league with one WR good WR downfield. Hell it's hard enough with two You just can't.

I agree that given "great" protection we can win with Brunell consistently but I think by "great" I mean the best in the league by far simply using our 5 o-linemen. But I think getting to that level is going to be harder than upgrading the QB spot. Notice I didn't say fix. I don't think it is broke. I think we need to upgrade I think we have a working '98 Honda when we need a '03 BMW. You know a car you can rely on to get you relatively safely from one place to another with no frills versus a car that will get you safely one place to another with some style. I love Brunell for what he is. A good manager QB. I think he does a lot of the things QBs needs to do as good as anyone in the league. Decision making primarily. But there are some things he simply cannot be expected to do and it kills our offense in general because it shuts out part of the playbook I think. I sure would rather have this situation than a lot of others but I'd rather have no situation at all. That's what we need to work towards.

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I just want to say I am extremely proud to be a REDSKIN fan!! Most were counting us out when we were 5-6. (I had my doubts too) The bottom line is we had a hell of a ride and we went farther than most thought. We didn't have to back our way in the playoffs we earned it by winning our last five games and showing everyone that the SKINS are for real and you must respect us. To go from being 6-10 one year to making it to the divisional playoff game the next is outstanding. I can't wait until next year, I believe Gibbs and company will evaluate things and make some key changes and we will be even better next year.

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Pass protection has been a problem too. Everybody, including Jansen, was getting beaten over the last two games. Someone broke through the line and was in Brunell's face on nearly every passing play. Add this to the fact that there are really only two legitimate receiving threats, and you've got the portrait of an offense that's running on fumes.

Samuels being nicked up and Thomas out of the lineup clearly had a huge impact on the offense as a whole.

I don't necessarily fault the playcalling as much as I think the gameplan could have been tweaked just a little to adapt to what was happening around them. For instance, Clinton Portis, though banged up himself, should have been included more in the passing aspects of the game. He and Betts might have been able to give us a new dimension that was lacking once the #2 and #3 receivers disappeared.

As far as Brunell goes, give him an offensive line and two more receiving threats and he'll be fine. He's smart, knows the system, and can avoid trouble with his feet. Maybe not like he used to, but clearly better than Patrick Ramsey has demonstrated. I think he'll be back in the starting spot for the '06 season.

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I dont want to stifle debate but this thread is not just ill timed it is ill concieved and borring.

People like Ramseyfan & Offiss are all to keen to come out of the woodwork and bitch and whine when we loose making them look like geniuses because they would have done things so much differently and we would never loose a freaking game . Its just attention seeking.

Can we not just enjoy the fact we got to the divisional round of the playoffs when so many were predicting doom and gloom last offseason (Dr Zs 4-12 prediction comes instantly to mind). There will be plenty of time to air your whiney ass oppinions between now and next season . Don't get me wrong I don't want to stifle debate and I don't think everything Gibbs and co do are flawless we can clearly do better there are still two games to play and we came up short but just for a moment can we not just stop and as many posters have done congratule the team for thier accomplishments this year .

Thats my thoughts I know they are going to offend but I dont meen offence I am just sick of this kind of posting and I am sure I am not alone

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I really don't understand all this talk of Brunell not being able to go a whole season. Unless I'm mistaken he played 18 games this year and the only problem he had was when he took a shot to the knee in the Giants game, that can happen to any QB. I wish people would get off his back, we're lucky to have him.

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Our offense faltered after we lost Randy Thomas and Portis and Brunnell got injured. 'Nuff said.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag]Our offense faltered after we lost Randy Thomas and Portis and Brunnell got injured. 'Nuff said.[/QUOTE]


That seems correct to me--also, Samuels had a knee, Jansen had a thumb, etc. Plus, we were on the road for the last 3 games--that is VERY tough to do in the NFL.

Thomas goes down, the run game falters, that affects everything Gibbs wants to do on offense, and you saw the results. What's encouraging to me--and ignored by pundits like Sally I-love-NY Jenkins--is that we still won in philly and TB, and almost won in Seattle.

Lads, the glass is half full.

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We were pinned deep in our end most of the first quarter. I was sitting in that end and it was very loud. It's no joke how loud it is there. I'll admit it, it was the loudest stadium or crowd I have been in.

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[QUOTE=dgack]I guess I don't understand why we're calling for heads to roll when we closed out the regular season with the #12-ranked offense in the league, a 3000 yard passer, a 1500 yard rusher, the #2-ranked WR in the league, and two H-Backs with 7 TD's each. Not to mention breaking several team offensive records.

Two underwhelming showings in the playoffs from a fatigued and gimpy team don't make me question the offense, they make me question our depth.

Totally agree on Hall and the kicking game though. Frost was pretty decent today but has not been terribly reliable this year.[/QUOTE]

Who's calling for heads to roll?

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[QUOTE=bedlamVR]I dont want to stifle debate but this thread is not just ill timed it is ill concieved and borring.

People like Ramseyfan & Offiss are all to keen to come out of the woodwork and bitch and whine when we loose making them look like geniuses because they would have done things so much differently and we would never loose a freaking game . Its just attention seeking.

Can we not just enjoy the fact we got to the divisional round of the playoffs when so many were predicting doom and gloom last offseason (Dr Zs 4-12 prediction comes instantly to mind). There will be plenty of time to air your whiney ass oppinions between now and next season . Don't get me wrong I don't want to stifle debate and I don't think everything Gibbs and co do are flawless we can clearly do better there are still two games to play and we came up short but just for a moment can we not just stop and as many posters have done congratule the team for thier accomplishments this year .

Thats my thoughts I know they are going to offend but I dont meen offence I am just sick of this kind of posting and I am sure I am not alone[/QUOTE]

Apparently, people forget that I was one of the sole people saying when we were 5-5 and 5-6 that we were a good team (when 99% of the people here said we were average or mediocre). Apparently, people forget that I have also praised Gibbs and Co. to nth degree. Apparently, people forget that I have said what a fantastic season this was. Apparently, some people know how to write, but not how to read. No offense.

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the offense went down right after randy thomas did. the line is the heart of the offense and they haven't been right sinse he went down.

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[QUOTE=offiss]You can talk about the team, just don't say something someone else doesn't want to hear, that's all.

Put on your cheerleader outfit and grab your pom pom's and tell everyone how great we were today. That should make a lot of people happy. :hater: :rofl:[/QUOTE]
Damn right offiss you hit the nail right on the head!!!!!

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]Damn right offiss you hit the nail right on the head!!!!![/QUOTE]

I'm glad to see that some people have the cojones to defend my post after I got the blasted the way I did.

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Since people have pegged me as the "pessimist," I suggest you read some of my posts from earlier in the season when we weren't winning.

I note how people were overreacting to Loss
[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=9275[/url]

I defended Gibbs playcalling after the loss to the Chargers
[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=9255&page=3&pp=10[/url]

I told people not to give up on the team
[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=9273[/url]

I defended Gibbs W-L record
[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=9329[/url]

I defended the team, raising the strength of schedule
[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=9425[/url]

Before I get labelled as purely, an attention-seeking MF'er, please do your homework.

Re: The Offense Was Too Conservative
 

We need another WR. Our passing offfense is really bad. Not these two games. but the last 12. THe passing offense is bad. We only get 91% of the yards the opposing defenses give up through the air on average. So if a team on average gave up 200 yards in the air we on average this year would get 182. We are a below average passing team. I want a dominant WR that can play at number 1 but is a number 2. I want a reggie wayne. I do not want reggie wayne but A reggie wayne. Someone that we can get or trade for that is proven or do some magic in the draft. I want a great number 2.

Re: This Offense Is Too Conservative
 

[QUOTE=AnonEmouse]I agree that we were a bit conservative in the first half. If we'd thrown the ball more...

However, if the OL had been fully fit, if we had a legitimate #2 receiver to pull ofthe double teaming, if we had a fully fit and effective DL, if we had a fully fit secondary, if we had someone who could kickoff into the endzone, if we could pin opponents deep with punts, if we didn't miss crucial FG's... if all that had been true, we'd have won the SB this year.

Fact is if's won't get us anywhere. If we'd thrown the ball more in the first half, maybe we'd have covered the spread, but basically the if's caught up with us today and we just never REALLY looked like winning. Just about everyone said we'd run out of steam and had to play on emotion alone. Sooner or later it catches up with you. To be honest, even if we'd won this one, we'd almost certainly have lost the next one. We are out of energy. Those guys, including the coaches, left everything on the field and I salute them.

I won't have a bad word said about JG, especially on the play calling. Next season with a good offseason program and maybe some fresh linemen on both sides, we are going to be strong. What JG has done in 2 years is amazing to me, especially considering the mess that Turner and Spurrier left us in after so many great years under Gibbs' first reign.

Go Joe, Go Skins and Go Ramseyfan and get drunk. Skins played a great season and gave us more than we expected. Enjoy the memories and look forward to more of the same.[/QUOTE]

I think you hit it on the head. Everyone looked exausted.
but I'm happy. We've come a long way.

Re: The Offense Was Too Conservative
 

[QUOTE=56FAN]the offense went down right after randy thomas did. the line is the heart of the offense and they haven't been right sinse he went down.[/QUOTE]

Well they looked ok against the Giants. I think Brunell's knee came into play and when Brown had to come out and Raymer went in he looked horrible (in fairness he is a center). I do agree that the Thomas injury was important, but I don't think he was the main issue. I think field position played a huge part in yesterdays game. When Antonio Brown let punt after punt bounce at the 20 yard line and roll inside the 10 that really hurt.

Re: The Offense Was Too Conservative
 

[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan]Well they looked ok against the Giants. I think Brunell's knee came into play and when Brown had to come out and Raymer went in he looked horrible (in fairness he is a center). I do agree that the Thomas injury was important, but I don't think he was the main issue. I think field position played a huge part in yesterdays game. When Antonio Brown let punt after punt bounce at the 20 yard line and roll inside the 10 that really hurt.[/QUOTE]

Yep. Gotta put in the fact that Clinton Portis was playing injured the past couple of weeks; there was no James Thrash (which is a good third down receiver); and Brunell never really looked the same after that knee injury against the Giants. I thought Ray Brown did a good job in place of Randy Thomas, but certainly Randy's absence played a factor with our protection.