Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

[QUOTE=Longtimefan]
Plus, how much is a new coordinator going to change or tarnish what Jason comprehended this year?[/QUOTE]

i dont think he will tarnish anything. we will keep the same mentality mostly id assume since gibbs is still running the ship, id just assume we would modify some of our offense and add some new plays :duel:

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

I voted for campbell because it said that if he's "ready to go". I think if Gibbs thinks he's ready then why not start the future now. He couldn't do much worse then 120yrds a game....and With saunders on bord, i think our offense wont need him to throw the ball to JUST Moss...Look what Saunders did with the WR in KC. And now he has Moss?????

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

I vote for campbell, the reason is to preserve brunnel body, come play off time campbell might struggle the brunnel is preserve and fresh,

we can win with campbell, just follow steelers, what they did with roethlisberger
after a few weeks of struggle think campbell can raise his game to NFL level

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

[QUOTE=j_j__l]I voted for campbell because it said that if he's "ready to go". I think if Gibbs thinks he's ready then why not start the future now. He couldn't do much worse then 120yrds a game....and With saunders on bord, i think our offense wont need him to throw the ball to JUST Moss...Look what Saunders did with the WR in KC. And now he has Moss?????[/QUOTE]

welcome.

Just so everyone knows i will not be doing any celebrations for two weeks. I decided to have a period of mourning for the skins. so here is a smaller one

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Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

:coach: i say campbell because he is the future of this franchise i don't care if we have one bad season look at what the giants did with manning next year they won our division I mean lets make a move

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

I got lost looking for the P. Ramsey radio button!

So, who is leading?

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

I'm a Brunell supporter. Brunell came back this year after an abysmal 2004 and proved he can still play in this league and play well, regardless of what some might say.But I know I, like so many others here, are sick of having to continually defend him and listen to how Ramsey is Jesus in a football uniform.

The Brunell bashing can get so mind-numbingly idiotic at times that it's not even worth it anymore really. Start Campbell and let's just move on.

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

It's a bit of a loaded question because 'assuming Campbell is ready to go' can mean several things. If it means he can play at the pro level with a good understanding of the offense without making 'rookie' mistakes, then I say start with Campbell and keep Brunell to teach and back him up (this all assumes Ramsey is gone as well).

With his documented preference for proven veterans, I'm not certain Gibbs will do that however. A lot still remains to be seen in the offseason as well. Ask the question again in August, after we know what's happened with Ramsey and what changes have taken place with the team (offensively) and within our division. Of all the times to break in a new QB, the time to do it is when you have a good defense to compensate for potential mistakes, though...

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I'm a Brunell supporter. Brunell came back this year after an abysmal 2004 and proved he can still play in this league and play well, regardless of what some might say.But I know I, like so many others here, are sick of having to continually defend him and listen to how Ramsey is Jesus in a football uniform.

The Brunell bashing can get so mind-numbingly idiotic at times that it's not even worth it anymore really. Start Campbell and let's just move on.[/QUOTE]

So then the Campbell bashing can begin, yeah I can't wait.

Some fans will just never be satisfied regardless of who's our QB.

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]So then the Campbell bashing can begin, yeah I can't wait.

Some fans will just never be satisfied regardless of who's our QB.[/QUOTE]

Oh no doubt, that's true. But at least we can start with a clean slate of bashing. I am anxious to see what he can do though.

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

The one good thing about starting JC if that becomes the team decision is that our core group of players are still young enough to mature and develop along with him. Cooley, Portis, Moss are still young enough to reap the benefits of Jason's maturity.

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

[QUOTE=Longtimefan]The one good thing about starting JC if that becomes the team decision is that our core group of players are still young enough to mature and develop along with him. Cooley, Portis, Moss are still young enough to reap the benefits of Jason's maturity.[/QUOTE]

Hmm...we might need to be careful with Campbell's initials so as not to confuse...

[url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0212338/quotes][B]Kevin[/B]: [On who inspired him to be a wood worker] I'd have to say Jesus. He was a carpenter and I figured if you're going to follow in somebody's footsteps, why not the steps of our lord and savior?
[B]Jack Byrnes[/B]: [Before Greg has a chance to respond] Greg's Jewish.
[B]Kevin[/B]: Really? Well so was J.C... [/url]

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

I think we should start Brunell and then bring in Campbell slowly. By all means start him in the preseason to see what he has. If he is overwhelmingly impressive, then start him opening day. Otherwise, go with Brunell one more year.

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

mark brunell was not the reason we made the playoffs this season. anyone else notice that his TD's a lot of the time were receivers making the plays after they caught the ball. he didnt play better this year than he did last year, other players made plays last year they werent makign the year before, and santana came in and was an animal. please. give me jason campbell please.

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

Campbell will not start or play next season unless we are out of the playoff hunt. Ramsey has a better chance of playing for us next season than Campbell. With Saunders coming in it might be good news for Ramsey by opening up some QB compitition. Brunell is the starter but I think that the coaches will look at alot of game film to determine wether Brunell can carry this team for another year. I would love to see us keep Ramsey for another year and see how he plays in preseason. I am not a hugh Ramsey fan but I do feel he has learned more this season on the sidelines than he had in all his past seasons. We have alot of great coaches and I have faith they will make the best decisions for our team.

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

[QUOTE=chuckmcco]mark brunell was not the reason we made the playoffs this season. anyone else notice that his TD's a lot of the time were receivers making the plays after they caught the ball. he didnt play better this year than he did last year, other players made plays last year they werent makign the year before, and santana came in and was an animal. please. give me jason campbell please.[/QUOTE]

The fact that there were only 10 INTs was a bigger reason for victory than the 23 TDs were.

TURNOVERS ARE KEY IN THE NFL.

So many people love to ignore that fact. When evaluating a QB from now on, everyone remember the first stats to look at are INTs and FUMBLES.

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10]The fact that there were only 10 INTs was a bigger reason for victory than the 23 TDs were.

TURNOVERS ARE KEY IN THE NFL.

So many people love to ignore that fact. When evaluating a QB from now on, everyone remember the first stats to look at are INTs and FUMBLES.[/QUOTE]

you right and how many fumbles did he have?
more than last year, get your facts straight buddy.

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10]The fact that there were only 10 INTs was a bigger reason for victory than the 23 TDs were.

TURNOVERS ARE KEY IN THE NFL.

So many people love to ignore that fact. When evaluating a QB from now on, everyone remember the first stats to look at are INTs and FUMBLES.[/QUOTE]To back that up look at our turnover ratio in the last 7 games we played. I think its somen where around plus 15 for us.

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

[QUOTE=chuckmcco]you right and how many fumbles did he have?
more than last year, get your facts straight buddy.[/QUOTE]

No genius, they were the exact same as last year. In 2004 he played half the season and fumbled 5 times, losing 3 of them. In 2005 he played the entire season and fumbled 10 times, losing 6 of them. Those ratios are exactly the same.

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

Also, in 2004 Brunell took 15 sacks in the half season he played. In the other half of that season, Ramsey took 23 sacks. And Ramsey even had the benefit of playing behind an offensive line that was starting to gel at the end of the season.

The fumble rates of Brunell and Ramsey are not much different from each other. But the INT and sack rates are in Brunell's favor big-time. Sacks kill drives, when you lose 7 yards on a play, your chances of making a first down are very slim. You end up punting. INTs don't even give you a chance to gain any field position by punting.

Brunell is our best option going into next year. It's possible Campbell could be really good at taking care of the football, and I'll give him a chance to prove that to me. But usually young guys get intercepted. I say let him be the backup as long as Brunell is still good at managing an offense.

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

I voted for Campbell but realistically I wouldn't commit to either one until after at least the first two pre-season games. If Campbell looks good, might as well let him start. Brunell saved us in a couple of games with his scrambling on 3rd and long. If Campbell can keep drives alive as much as Brunell (admittedly not that often) then he should go ahead and start. Maybe I'll change my opinion at Fan Aapreciation Day.

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

[QUOTE=chuckmcco]mark brunell was not the reason we made the playoffs this season. anyone else notice that his TD's a lot of the time were receivers making the plays after they caught the ball. he didnt play better this year than he did last year, other players made plays last year they werent makign the year before, and santana came in and was an animal. please. give me jason campbell please.[/QUOTE]

Aren't receivers supposed to make plays after the catch anyways? All the good QB's in the NFL have a good cast surrounding them.

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10]No genius, they were the exact same as last year. In 2004 he played half the season and fumbled 5 times, losing 3 of them. In 2005 he played the entire season and fumbled 10 times, losing 6 of them. Those ratios are exactly the same.[/QUOTE]

he fumbled 11 times and either way 10 > 6, i don't think the post you're replying to ever mentioned ratios.

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

Brunell with short leash. As long as Campbell is coming along. Come to think of it...this is a STUPID thread, why do we do this EVERY year? Just for something to talk about?...What happens...happens!!! Al will do what he thinks is right with HIS system. I myself suspect alot will depend on preseason, much like this year. Who the hell knows! Go Skins, Go Gibbs, Go D!!!!

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

[QUOTE=That Guy]he fumbled 11 times and either way 10 > 6, i don't think the post you're replying to ever mentioned ratios.[/QUOTE]

UGH. Did we fail 4th grade math?

2004: 8 games, 5 fumbles = 0.62 fumbles per game
2005: 16 games, 10 fumbles = 0.62 fumbles per game

If you play twice as many games, of course your fumble total is going to go up!

:iamwithst

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10]UGH. Did we fail 4th grade math?

2004: 8 games, 5 fumbles = 0.62 fumbles per game
2005: 16 games, 10 fumbles = 0.62 fumbles per game

If you play twice as many games, of course your fumble total is going to go up!

:iamwithst[/QUOTE]

before you go around calling people stupid you should make sure you're not the one being a fscking moron, he fumbled 11 times, not 10, so maybe you should learn how to read.

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

[QUOTE=That Guy]before you go around calling people stupid you should make sure you're not the one being a fscking moron, he fumbled 11 times, not 10, so maybe you should learn how to read.[/QUOTE]

Unless I'm looking at his stats wrong, he "only" fumbled 10 times (one fumble he recovered against the Cardinals so I don't think you count that)

Now if you include the playoffs then yes he fumbled 11 times, but then you're talking 11 fumbles in 18 games, not 16..

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Unless I'm looking at his stats wrong, he "only" fumbled 10 times (one fumble he recovered against the Cardinals so I don't think you count that)

Now if you include the playoffs then yes he fumbled 11 times, but then you're talking 11 fumbles in 18 games, not 16..[/QUOTE]

Let's put this to rest, guys.

6 fumbles in 9 games in the 2004 regular season.
11 fumbles in 16 games in the 2005 regular season
[url]http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1032[/url]

1 fumble in the 2005 postseason
[url]http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1032/gamelogs/2005[/url]

You count everything he put on the ground, regardless of who recovered it.

So, that's
.667 fumbles/game in the 2004 regular season
.685 fumbles/game in the 2005 regular season
.500 fumbles/game in the 2005 playoffs

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

[color=black][font=Times New Roman]Campbell in the 1# slot will gives the team the best chance to win. There is no reason to wait if Campbell is ready to take the wheel. Brunell must admit he has lost a step and should be ready to take the roll of veteran backup.[/font][/color]

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

May the best QB come out on top in training camp next season. I'll support either Campbell or Brunell, but would like to see the future sooner rather than later.

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Unless I'm looking at his stats wrong, he "only" fumbled 10 times (one fumble he recovered against the Cardinals so I don't think you count that)

Now if you include the playoffs then yes he fumbled 11 times, but then you're talking 11 fumbles in 18 games, not 16..[/QUOTE]

nfl.com says 11 fumbles in the 2005 regular season and they're the authority. If they counted that one against the cardinals then it's not discounted.

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

[QUOTE=That Guy]nfl.com says 11 fumbles in the 2005 regular season and they're the authority. If they counted that one against the cardinals then it's not discounted.[/QUOTE]

I know they counted it as a fumble, but then he recovered it so in my mind it's negated because it wasn't a turnover. But whatever.

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

I'd like to have Campbell in just to see if he's good or not. If he isnt, then Brunell should be qb.

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

Cambell needs to get the exp in sometime. He was a great investment that cant be let go to waist. Brunnel should be more then happy to teach the youngin how to play who knows we may have a peyton manning on our hands and were playing brunnel

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I know they counted it as a fumble, but then he recovered it so in my mind it's negated because it wasn't a turnover. But whatever.[/QUOTE]
He Can do No wrong!!!!

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]He Can do No wrong!!!![/QUOTE]
:confused:

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

23 Td

10 Int

Who voted for Campbell? ? ?

Pro Bowl voting had Mark as a contender. And we go a game into the playoffs, and anybody wants to start the kid over him. Did I miss something? Jason will get his chance when Patrick is gone, and Mark has a few bad weeks in a row, or at Gibbs' discretion. Out of your minds.

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

I voted for Campbell, not because I think Brunell is bad, but because it's time to start working on the future. If Saunders can run some plays that rejuvenate Brunell, then that's great, but as of now, I just feel that Brunell doesn't look to the open receiver.

Do I think we can win with him? Yes.

I also think we can win with Jason Campbell if anything that the coaching staff has said so far is accurate.

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

Exactly. Look at Pittsburgh. They started their young QB last year, and now he's heading to the Super Bowl at age 23.

Re: Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

[QUOTE=Monksdown]23 Td

10 Int

Who voted for Campbell? ? ?

Pro Bowl voting had Mark as a contender. And we go a game into the playoffs, and anybody wants to start the kid over him. Did I miss something? [/QUOTE]

obviously you missed his two seasons in a row of playing like trash when injured and his 25 yard performance. He gets tired down the stretch and plays very poorly when hurt yet refuses to leave the field. Have an open competition and let the better player win. Brunell isn't going to be around much longer and if campbell is ready, no time like the present to see if he's really our future.