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ESPN has reported that now Taylor faces up 46 yrs in prison after additional charges were added!!!!

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i read where this is way out of the ordinary,adding more charges this late in the game.are they trying to set an example out of #21?

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For some reason, the prosecutor refiled the charge: it used to be one felony against 3 victims; now it's 3 felonys--each victim is being listed as a separate charge. Not sure how it's going to matter--if they believe he pointed the gun at one of the guys, they'll conclude he pointed it at all of them. Maybe one witness is credible-looking, but the other two are not, so the prosecutor is trying to split this guy off from the rest. Or maybe it's just intimidation and grandstanding--wow, what a tough DA. He's strong on crime and isn't intimidated by celebrities and their lawyers.

Here's the post article: [URL=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/27/AR2006012700664.html]More Charges Filed Against Redskins' Taylor[/URL]

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[QUOTE=JWsleep]For some reason, the prosecutor refiled the charge: it used to be one felony against 3 victims; now it's 3 felonys--each victim is being listed as a separate charge. Not sure how it's going to matter--if they believe he pointed the gun at one of the guys, they'll conclude he pointed it at all of them. Maybe one witness is credible-looking, but the other two are not, so the prosecutor is trying to split this guy off from the rest. Or maybe it's just intimidation and grandstanding--wow, what a tough DA. He's strong on crime and isn't intimidated by celebrities and their lawyers.

Here's the post article: [url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/27/AR2006012700664.html"]More Charges Filed Against Redskins' Taylor[/url][/QUOTE]

I just hate the fact that he's trying to get "some" time for Taylor.

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this sucks. The odds are bad for Taylor. I don't understand why they are so focused on taylor riding in jail. Honestly they are more focused on punishing the victim than punishing the guys who stole his atv's. I'm not saying it's okay for taylor to point the gun at them. It was just a man trying to get back what was rightfully his.

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he is facing 4 different charges now and looking at the possibility of 46 years in prison. [url="http://www.espn.com"]www.espn.com[/url] on the homepage.

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[QUOTE=mooby]this sucks. The odds are bad for Taylor. I don't understand why they are so focused on taylor riding in jail. Honestly they are more focused on punishing the victim than punishing the guys who stole his atv's. I'm not saying it's okay for taylor to point the gun at them. It was just a man trying to get back what was rightfully his.[/QUOTE]

Why are the odds bad for him?? Just because the DA expands the charges doesn't mean he necessarily has any more damning evidence.

It's very possible the DA is trying to intimidate Taylor into a plea.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Why are the odds bad for him?? Just because the DA expands the charges doesn't mean he necessarily has any more damning evidence.

It's very possible the DA is trying to intimidate Taylor into a plea.[/QUOTE]

It looks that way to me. It also indicates that the DA isn't confident in the original charge--otherwise, he stands pat. I just hope Taylor's lawyer is up to snuff, and that the jury isn't filled with ugly cowroid fans!

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Sean Taylor isnt going ot get charged, because this case has more holes than Augusta National. (I thought that one up by myself, btw). Part of me still cant wait for this to be over though.

FREE SEAN TAYLOR

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I think the D.A's trying to make a name for himself. :bdh: Kinda like another one of his peers tried to do in Colorado. How well did that go? It went well enough to waste a boat load of the tax payers money we know that. And for what? So he could show the world that every one is the same in the eyes of the law? :pffff: :bs: I bet if this was an off duty Police officer trying to get his ATV's back we would never have heard about it.



Free S.T!!!!
Free S.T!!!!
Free S.T!!!!

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Why is the DA trying to make a name for himself? he is doing his job. If someone pulls a gun on me I want them to spend some time in jail no matter who they are.

I love ST too but he ****ed up. Its not up to the DA to show mercy.

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[QUOTE=jamf]Why is the DA trying to make a name for himself? he is doing his job. If someone pulls a gun on me I want them to spend some time in jail no matter who they are.

I love ST too but he ****ed up. Its not up to the DA to show mercy.[/QUOTE]
I agree. But once all the fact's are out we will all see the truth. The D.A is obvisouly trying to make an example out of S.T. Why else would he try to stop him from playing football this past season? And why did he wait untill now to file the other felonies against Sean? Sounds a little like a witch hunt to me. I smell a rat that's all I'm saying.

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Here's an easy way to avoid facing hard time in prison: Don't pull a gun on someone. Buy another ATV with your millions.

Losing ST would devastate the defense.

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[QUOTE=Riggo44]I agree. But once all the fact's are out we will all see the truth. The D.A is obvisouly trying to make an example out of S.T. Why else would he try to stop him from playing football this past season? And why did he wait untill now to file the other felonies against Sean? Sounds a little like a witch hunt to me. I smell a rat that's all I'm saying.[/QUOTE]

The DA didn't really object to Taylor's first request for a continuance, postponing the trial from October to January. He didn't really stop him from trying to play football during the regular season.

As for the other felonies, the DA is doing one of two things:
1) Trying to scare Taylor into accepting a plea
2) Spreading his eggs over three baskets. Maybe he can't prove that Taylor fired a gun at a couple of the victims. But he's more confident in nailing him for the third victim.

I don't perceive that the DA is out to get Taylor. I just think he's doing his job. But in the end, I still don't think the DA has the evidence he needs.

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Oh no, Taylor is in a pickle now :pffff:

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They are out to get taylor. THey offered his friend coughlin or whoever a get out of jail free card to testify against taylro and he chased some guy down with a baseball bat. a gun and a baseball bat should be the same thing expecially if coughlin started to swing it around. WTF.

SO there will still be one big trial with four counts. That is some bull shit.

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[url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/01/AR2005070101914_pf.html"]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/01/AR2005070101914_pf.html[/url]
'What they are doing is using Charles as a pawn to get the top prize: Sean Taylor," said Caughman's attorney, Evan Hoffman , who said his client -- who knows Taylor casually -- was on vacation in Miami when the June 1 incident occurred. "They could have filed a misdemeanor against my client. But there's a headhunt for Sean Taylor, and we don't need to be caught in the middle of it. We're going to explore all our options, and do what's best for Charles.

"The state wants to resolve our case on July 11. But right now we have no reason to cooperate. I don't see the court proving its case."'
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Caughman was facing 15 years yet they would allow him to get off just to testify against taylor?? That means they have no shit on taylor and they are out to get him.

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I love taylor but ask youself this??? If we would have read in the paper some no name thug was up for this what would you'r opinion of that thug be? Oh I hope that man stays out of jail too .....

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]I love taylor but ask youself this??? If we would have read in the paper some no name thug was up for this what would you'r opinion of that thug be? Oh I hope that man stays out of jail too .....[/QUOTE]

Honestly i would say 46 years is beyond rediculous. I think after 5 someone would be "rehabilitated". I also wouldn't know what happened and the same is true here. There has been more coverage of this from the exact order of things that happened to Taylor taking a lie detector test to caughman not testifying against taylor and now the apparent head hunt for taylor.

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]Honestly i would say 46 years is beyond rediculous. I think after 5 someone would be "rehabilitated". I also wouldn't know what happened and the same is true here. There has been more coverage of this from the exact order of things that happened to Taylor taking a lie detector test to caughman not testifying against taylor and now the apparent head hunt for taylor.[/QUOTE]
I agree plus it's not like he shot the guy....WTF but does it not make you think about how many people in a similar situation get thrown in jail for all of those 46 years?

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Also imagine what would have happened if they would have just went ahead and gone to trial. The DA wouldn't have had all this time to think of ways to get Sean behind bars.

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He will be ok hopefully with a Good Lawyer.... And he can afford the best..and it does make a huge difference..........

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Now if the three individuals Taylor is alleged to have treatened are all female and they are all pregnant, will the charge be elevated to six counts including accosting fetuses?

And what if they are gestating twins or triplets?

When will this end?

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One thing I learned from Taylor's Virginia traffic stop is to hear the whole story before passing judgement. In that case, the judge found that the charges were unsupported by the facts. The Virginia trooper's own video cam showed that Taylor passed the sobriety tests and was neither disrespectful nor resisting arrest. All the charges were dropped.

But Taylor keeps finding himself in these pickles when he should know better. When I was a younger man, a little kid told me it was easier to stay out of trouble than than to get out of trouble. I liked the way that was put. Sean doesn't try to duck trouble. He runs headlong to it. That's going to burn him someday. If not in this incident, then later.

Without Taylor, the defensive middle if very vulnerable. And Ryan Clark becomes more valuable.

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[QUOTE=Master4Caster]One thing I learned from Taylor's Virginia traffic stop is to hear the whole story before passing judgement. In that case, the judge found that the charges were unsupported by the facts. The Virginia trooper's own video cam showed that Taylor passed the sobriety tests and was neither disrespectful nor resisting arrest. All the charges were dropped.

But Taylor keeps finding himself in these pickles when he should know better. When I was a younger man, a little kid told me it was easier to stay out of trouble than than to get out of trouble. I liked the way that was put. Sean doesn't try to duck trouble. He runs headlong to it. That's going to burn him someday. If not in this incident, then later.

Without Taylor, the defensive middle if very vulnerable. And Ryan Clark becomes more valuable.[/QUOTE]
None of us really wanna hear that...but that was a very sobering post.... You're a Millionaire now not a gangster .... too many people are counting on him... What ashame kinda reminds me of Dexter Manley....

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Sean Taylor is the baddest, most talented defender to ever play in the league. And his thug demanor adds to the excitement of watching him play. He is without a doubt my favorite athlete.

If he goes to jail, the Redskins will have a tough time trying to be a super bowl team next year. he is a phenomenal player.

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[QUOTE=heybigstar]Sean Taylor is the baddest, most talented defender to ever play in the league. And his thug demanor adds to the excitement of watching him play. He is without a doubt my favorite athlete.

If he goes to jail, the Redskins will have a tough time trying to be a super bowl team next year. he is a phenomenal player.[/QUOTE]

he may well be the best safety in the game if not now he will be very soon.... very sad...

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Very sad indeed, he just doesnt have enough exposure yet. But he is the most electrifying defensive player in the league.

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[QUOTE=heybigstar]And his thug demanor adds to the excitement of watching him play. [/QUOTE]

do you mean in a "last boy scout-wide receiver pulling a gun out on a post route and shooting the defenders" kind of way?

i think his play speaks for itself... the thug element has nothing to do with why we watch him on the field.

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i think the media hype surrounding him adds to the allure of watching. The way Wilbon talks about him in that one article, most NFL WR's reading that are going to get chills going down their spine.

"An NFL quarterback who played against the Redskins this season told me that Taylor can be taken advantage of on certain kinds of plays, but otherwise he's often the baddest man on the field. He can run like Jerry Rice and hit like Night Train Lane, and if he does hit you a little too far out of bounds or just a little late after the whistle, then so be it. Receivers don't remember penalty flags; they remember writhing on the ground in agony.

Have you noticed that more receivers are dropping balls against the Redskins than in previous seasons? That's largely because they're distracted by the presence of Sean Taylor. Yes, there are players who are afraid of Taylor, just like they were afraid of Lane and Jack Tatum and Ronnie Lott and Dick Butkus. Taylor will mangle you. Any coach worth the chalk he uses to diagram plays loves that from his free safety.

And they love that he's a roughneck with that 1970s Raiders sort of mentality, a thug persona. When other football players say -- and believe me, they say it privately -- that Taylor has that thuggish quality, they're saying it half in admiration, half in fear. No team wants to quiet that entirely. We see Taylor as being in trouble. In football, it's thought that he is trouble."

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[QUOTE=heybigstar]i think the media hype surrounding him adds to the allure of watching. The way Wilbon talks about him in that one article, most NFL WR's reading that are going to get chills going down their spine.

"An NFL quarterback who played against the Redskins this season told me that Taylor can be taken advantage of on certain kinds of plays, but otherwise he's often the baddest man on the field. He can run like Jerry Rice and hit like Night Train Lane, and if he does hit you a little too far out of bounds or just a little late after the whistle, then so be it. Receivers don't remember penalty flags; they remember writhing on the ground in agony.

Have you noticed that more receivers are dropping balls against the Redskins than in previous seasons? That's largely because they're distracted by the presence of Sean Taylor. Yes, there are players who are afraid of Taylor, just like they were afraid of Lane and Jack Tatum and Ronnie Lott and Dick Butkus. Taylor will mangle you. Any coach worth the chalk he uses to diagram plays loves that from his free safety.

And they love that he's a roughneck with that 1970s Raiders sort of mentality, a thug persona. When other football players say -- and believe me, they say it privately -- that Taylor has that thuggish quality, they're saying it half in admiration, half in fear. No team wants to quiet that entirely. We see Taylor as being in trouble. In football, it's thought that he is trouble."[/QUOTE]
NICE!!!!!!!!!!

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While admittedly not knowing what the evidence consists of, I hope he just takes a Jamal Lewis plea and spends a few months in the big house over the offseason and returns come September.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]While admittedly not knowing what the evidence consists of, I hope he just takes a Jamal Lewis plea and spends a few months in the big house over the offseason and returns come September.[/QUOTE]
The thing is that I am pretty sure that he can not take a plea, due to Flordia's gun laws. I am pretty sure that no matter what the minimum that he would have to server would be 3 years for each account. And that makes me want to :vomit: .

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588]The thing is that I am pretty sure that he can not take a plea, due to Flordia's gun laws. I am pretty sure that no matter what the minimum that he would have to server would be 3 years for each account. And that makes me want to :vomit: .[/QUOTE]

I think in a plea agreement, the DA would drop the aggravated assault charge in exchange for Taylor copping to a lesser charge, like simple assault.

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]I love taylor but ask youself this??? If we would have read in the paper some no name thug was up for this what would you'r opinion of that thug be? Oh I hope that man stays out of jail too .....[/QUOTE]

If you're reading about ANYBODY in the paper who ALLEGEDLY did something, and then passing judgment on that person, then you're guilty of prejudice. There is an assumption of innocence until proven guilty in the court of law. So until Taylor is convicted, if it even happens, it's irresponsible to look upon him with any semblance of disdain.

At most, you could say Taylor is an idiot for getting himself into a confrontational situation. But to start labeling someone a thug based on ALLEGATIONS is very premature.

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Also, people please don't overreact to the 46 years in jail thing. There's NO WAY he'd do that much time if convicted. If you think 46 years is a possibility, then you are allowing yourself to be sensationalized by the media.

Each of the 3 counts of aggravated assault are for a minimum of 3 years and a maximum of 15. Then the simple battery is for up to one year. So if he served the max for all 4 counts against him, ONE AFTER THE OTHER AFTER THE OTHER, he'd serve 46 years.

WHEN DOES THIS EVER HAPPEN? It doesn't. First, if he gets convicted, he'll serve all of the sentences concurrently. Secondly, there's no way he'll serve the max 15 years. I mean come on, people guilty of manslaughter don't end up serving 46 years in our judicial system.

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The charges sound scary but let's not forget one thing, none of us know all of the facts (and I think that the media is focusing on the story more than the circumstances). I remember when the story came out that it seemed like the character of the people he confronted is questionable at best. I also recall that his vehicle and home were shot at.

This is all speculation on my part but isn't it interesting that Florida has not charged anyone with the larceny of his ATVs and the discharge of a weapon into his home and vehicle (maybe I am missing something but I would think that firing a weapon into a car or home is a lot worse than waving one around)? If I am the prosecutor, it might weaken your case against Taylor if your star witnesses are charged and arrested for more severe crimes then the professional athlete that you are trying to make an example of. Also, it is very important to remember that Taylor will have the best lawyer in the courtroom. It shouldn't be hard to discredit these witnesses. Honestly, who is the real threat to the community here?

Kornheiser says that he won't serve one day. I hope he is right.

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Having had a few encounters with the legal system, I'm betting Taylor walks. They should go all out for the jury trial of the century. Lots of motions. Surprise witnesses - each more surprising than the last. Testimony to shock and discredit the accusers. Bad court thingies.

The Judge will get fed up and lean on the prosecutor to make a deal with no jail time.

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Just one link about Taylor's attorney from Google:

[url]http://www.fraudexaminer.com/Criminal_Defense.cfm[/url]

This guy isn't exactly Lionel Hutz.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]If you're reading about ANYBODY in the paper who ALLEGEDLY did something, and then passing judgment on that person, then you're guilty of prejudice. There is an assumption of innocence until proven guilty in the court of law. So until Taylor is convicted, if it even happens, it's irresponsible to look upon him with any semblance of disdain.

At most, you could say Taylor is an idiot for getting himself into a confrontational situation. But to start labeling someone a thug based on ALLEGATIONS is very premature.[/QUOTE]
You're very right!