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What a travesty this is.

Harry Carson was a good player but if he is a Hall of Famer, then so is Chris Hanburger. Hanburger played 14 seasons, 9 Pro Bowls, lost one Super Bowl. Carson: (13,9, and won 1) 7 of his Pro Bowls were after LT, Banks, and Marshall arrived.

Is Rayfield Wright even in the Cowboys Ring of Honor? I've been in Texas stadium several times and don't remember his name up there. If he's not, that means its easier to get into the HOF than into the Cowboys ROH. What a Joke!

[b]Update:[/b] Rayfield Wright was inducted into the ROH in 2004. Twenty five years after he retired. It took a while for his own fans to apprciate him, I guess.

Derrick Thomas is more deserving than Carson, Wright, Madden, or Moon. Surely the voteers don't hate Lamar Hunt.

After watching Peter King on Charlie Rose last night I realized that PK knows nothing about the game. His whole approach is based on hyping individual story lines with lots of conytroversy and/or sentimentality. If he can find some New York connection then so much the better. Artur should wear KIng's disrespect like a badge of honor because King is a simpleton.

It kills me to say it but Aikman is a claas guy. I wish he had played for us. Norv Turner will introduce him at the induction ceremony.

How did Grimm's presence in Detroit as a coach effect his chances? My first thought is that it would have helped since there is more balogna for the media that way. But perhaps the voters would have viewed that as creating a distraction for Pitt or endorsing Pitt.

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Can we get a new avatar, for anyone to use regardless of # of posts, with monk pissing on the hall of fame logo/building? If not that how bout a HOF logo inside the no smoking sign. SCREW THE HOF!!!

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i'm not suprised that monk didn't make it. He deserves it more so than other finalists. I think every year the voters just regard him as filler, just someone who makes it to the finals but never has a good shot of getting in. Until the HOF elects new voters i don't think we'll be seeing him in there. Someday he'll get what he rightfully deserves.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Putting Carson in ahead of Art Monk is an absolute joke, it is also why no one here should get worked up over the HOF voting, it's fantasy! The fact that they can take Carson who was a MLB in a 3-4 scheme is ubsurd.

A crucial stop in the SB against Denver? What on earth was crucial for the Giants in that game? They blew denver out! I really had to laugh at the justification for that vote. Was Carson ever the best at his position? Never, Art Monk was, what NFL records did Carson hold? None! And lets face it he wasen't even a part of the best defense in the NFL, that prize went to the Bears. Art Monk was the primary WR on the most prolific offense in NFL history in 1983. Carson doesn't even hold all time Giant records!

That vote for Carson should send a message to everyone here, just like the officiating we recieved the first year and half of Gibbs return, the HOF is a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]
With LT at one OLB and Carl Banks at the other, plus an excellent D-line that included Leonard Marshall, Carson was just another guy IMHO. He was good, but not HOF good. It's ironic that the same morons (Peter King and Paul Zimmerman) that are lobbying to keep Monk out, have waged the campaign that finally got Carson elected. It's time for Wilbon and Lenny Shapiro to step up and wage a campaign on Monk's behalf.

It will be interesting to see whether the clowns voting on the HOF screw D. Green when he becomes eligible.

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I'm still upset that not a single Hog has gotten in yet...and what about Gary Clark. Hell even Dave Butz, while we're at it Dexter Manley

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This is pure BS. Peter King, please take your vote, your media credentials, shine them up real nice, turn them sideways, and ....(anyone care to finish?).

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I'm still upset that not a single Hog has gotten in yet...and what about Gary Clark. Hell even Dave Butz, while we're at it Dexter Manley[/QUOTE]

It wouldn't be so offensive if they were consistent with the voting. Saying Harry Carson is an HOFer brings a whole long list of possible Redskins into play. What about Joe Theismann, Mark Moseley, and Len Hauss. I have always assumed that Darell Green would be first ballot but I am starting to wonder. I can hear Peter King now: "You can't really put Green in the same class with Lester Hayes because he relied so much on his speed. He only played in seven Pro Bowls. And to top it all off he only had 52 interceptions in his career. That's fewer than three a year."

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[QUOTE=Warpath]Heres my opinion:
Aikman
Carson
Madden
White
Monk[/QUOTE]

That would have been my choice, It seems like as long as Peter King has a say Art Monk doesn't have a chance. The only upside is Michael Irvin Didn't get in.

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As someone noted earlier the best way to make a statement is to hit people in their pocketbooks. So, I think every single Skins fan should drop their SI subscription and boycott their website. The same with ESPN magazine and the ESPN website. (Boycotting ESPN on cable might be too hard, even for most diehards, but if you can - do it.) And we should tell every Skins fan we know and all of our friends and family to do the same.

The other thing I think is that we should flood the voter's mailboxes - not with rants or foul-mouthed insults - but with facts. Could someone post e-mail addresses for King, Pastabelly, noDr. Z and the other voters (especially those who might be open to the truth but are being swayed by the aforementioned gentlemen)? And compile a well-documented case for Monk and Grimm - and some of the others who should be there, like Butz? Then, we could all e-mail the voters the facts of the case - and keep doing it.

What do people think?

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I rarely quote any person who ever played for Dallas, but I will cite Emmitt Smith in this instance who after hearing that Micheal Irving would not be selected immediately attacked the HOF committee. Smith basically said that he thinks the HOF committee's method of secrecy in voting is an example of men who are not really men. He said why do they hide behind their votes

"They ( sportswriters) come up to you laughing and smiling in your face, while stabbing you in the back by voting against you. Wow. This is coming from a Cowboy whose team had two inductees. Where are the former Redskins players who played with Art Monk at this time? Why aren't they speaking out on his behalf like some Giants did for Harry Carson? The only way Art Monk is accepted is if enough people criticize the sportwriters who have publicly rejected Monk and keep the pressure on.

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I agree with TAFKAS--it's just crazy that not one member of the Hogs (except Riggins) is in. And only Riggins and Gibbs from the SB years. WTF?

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you know what would be awesome? if art monk became our wide receivers coach. Not only would it help us, but it would probably help his cause to get into the hof. I think the reason he hasn't gotten in yet was because of the way he acted. He was kind, never tried to take the spotlight, just let his play do the talking, and now that he's retired people don't get the word about him. If he took up a coaching position in the NFL it would help him get more recognition.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I'm still upset that not a single Hog has gotten in yet...and what about Gary Clark. Hell even Dave Butz, while we're at it Dexter Manley[/QUOTE]

Absolutey, Dave Butz and Clark should get consideration. Especially if Harry Carson and Rayfield Wright make it in.

Such a disappointment. The NFL now stands for National Fantasy League.

Art Monk is clearly, clearly one of the most prolific wide receievers of our day. He has the stats, the rings, and the longevity of career to prove it.
Not only that, but he commanded the unwavering respect of his peers and coaches during his career.

This is such a huge mockery on the HOF itself. Not because I'm a Redskin fan, but because I'm a football fan as well. I couldn't imagine Walter Payton not being inducted. I couldn't imagine Roger Staubach or Joe Montana not being inducted. And while I'm drawing comparisons using apples and oranges, Art's impact on our championships was vital. To me, now and for some time, the HOF has dimishished it's value. I went there once when I was a kid....to me it was almost akin to a pilgrimage of sorts. You went to see history in a capsule. To feel the aura of greatest in one building. To gather amongst people from all over the country to share that common bond. It's something you can't read about or hear about, you just have to go. It's not the same as attending a Super Bowl game or anything like that, but it is special, very special.

If Art Monk get's in next year or the year after, we'll be happy nonetheless. But in some sort of way, I feel his place in the Hall has been gather dust for a while now and it's time they give him his due.

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12thman, i just want to notify you that Texas A&M is sueing you because you are using their copyrighted name.

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[QUOTE=mooby]12thman, i just want to notify you that Texas A&M is sueing you because you are using their copyrighted name.[/QUOTE]

Dude, I've been getting so much sh**t over that crap.

I was seriously thinking about copywriting the thing before all this came about:)

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I'm still upset that not a single Hog has gotten in yet...and what about Gary Clark. Hell even Dave Butz, while we're at it Dexter Manley[/QUOTE]

Dexter Manley is the only one I'd have to disagree with. Of course, isn't LT in the HoF? Not that I dont' think DM had the skills....

speaking of the hall of fame....what Redskins are in the hall presently?

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]Dexter Manley is the only one I'd have to disagree with. Of course, isn't LT in the HoF? Not that I dont' think DM had the skills....

speaking of the hall of fame....what Redskins are in the hall presently?[/QUOTE]

Man, that's a long list of Skins in the Hall.

I think we have the second most in the Hall.

Go to Redskins.com and they'll give you the names.

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Who the hell is Rayfield Wright. He is no Art Monk.

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harry carson,aikman,and reggie white truly deserve it.i think ere should be a seperate election for the media guys in the hall though.madden was a hell of a coach,and he should have been inducted for that,not was he's done after he's retired.rayfield wright was one hell of a player,but art monk and even 8 ball irvin deserved to get in before him though!!!

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Redskins HoFers (Note: Some are known more for other teams. i.e. Paul Krause-Minnesota)


George Allen
Cliff Battles (1932-37) RB
Sammy Baugh
Bill Dudley (1950-51,53) RB
Turk Edwards (1932-40) T
Ray Flaherty
Joe Gibbs
Otto Graham (1966-68) Coach
Ken Houston
Sam Huff
Deacon Jones (1974)
Stan Jones (1966) DT
Sonny Jurgenson
Paul Krause (1964-67)
Earl Lambeau (1952-53)
Vince Lombardi (1969)
George preston Marshall
Wayne Millner (1936-41,45) End (WR)
Bobby Mitchell
Charley Taylor
John Riggins

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Today is a good day. For anybody who heard the Steve Szaban show on espn radio, you know what i'm talking about. Don Banks just got undressed by Szaban. Banks is not a HOF voter but admittedly is good friends w/ Peter King, Zimmerman, etc. Some highlights are:

Banks was upset at a statement made by Snyder recently. Snyder released a 2 sentence statement after Monk recently was not voted in. Banks went on to say Snyder's statement is going to hurt Monk's chances to get into the HOF. Banks inferred that his HOF voter friend felt that this "statement" is going to set Art Monk's chances back as well.

Szaban blasted him, saying this is not unprecedented by owners, but due to the media hatred of Snyder, he is admitting that outside factors having nothing to do w/ Monk's play is affecting voting. Banks could not deny that it plays a role (he tried backstepping but it didn't work).

Basically, Szaban let this guy have it (and he is a regular on the show). We all know it, but it was good to hear it on the radio. I would pay money to hear Szaban get a hold of Peter King.

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You see...that's just it! They have in fact admitted that they didn't judge Monk's HOF future on Art Monk himself, but things that really have nothing to do with Art Monk. As much as they will try to side step the issue, they are screwing Art Monk over royally and they have no excuses for it.

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The HOF committee sucks, plain and simple. Even though I am a fan of your biggest rival, there are most certainly two former Redskins that I hold in the highest regard and should have locked reservations in Canton and those two are Art Monk and Daryl Green.

Two of the classiest players to EVER take the field of play in the NFL. Monk got screwed, and he deserves better than that.

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[QUOTE=70Chip]Redskins HoFers (Note: Some are known more for other teams. i.e. Paul Krause-Minnesota)


George Allen
Cliff Battles (1932-37) RB
Sammy Baugh
Bill Dudley (1950-51,53) RB
Turk Edwards (1932-40) T
Ray Flaherty
Joe Gibbs
Otto Graham (1966-68) Coach
Ken Houston
Sam Huff
Deacon Jones (1974)
Stan Jones (1966) DT
Sonny Jurgenson
Paul Krause (1964-67)
Earl Lambeau (1952-53)
Vince Lombardi (1969)
George preston Marshall
Wayne Millner (1936-41,45) End (WR)
Bobby Mitchell
Charley Taylor
John Riggins[/QUOTE]

lotta coaches, 2 franchise QBs, and a bunch of guys that took a short stay here and probably shouldn't count as redskin HOFers in any way (like lombardi, who i wish could have stuck around a bit longer :/ No one can ever say we haven't had good coaches).

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Art Monk was a finalist for the hall of fame this year - as he has been just about every year since he has been eligible. Give the committee credit for that because if you take a look at the finalists this year, there is a WR absent from the list whose numbers are BETTER than Art Monk's. He's not a long-time Redskin so he wasn't left off because of "Redskin Bias". Check out the numbers:

Art Monk:

3 consecutive Pro Bowl seasons
940 receptions
12,721 yards
13.5 yards per catch
68 TDs receiving
332 yards rushing - - zero rushing TDs


Andre Reed:

7 consecutive Pro Bowl seasons
951 receptions
13,198 yards
13.9 yards per catch
87 TDs receiving
500 yards rushing - - 1 rushing TD


And don't even bother to check out Michael Irvin's numbers because they don't measure up with either of these guys...


Oh, by the way, Russ Grimm deserves to be in the Hall of Fame because he was a damned good offensive lineman. And so do Kuchenberg and Zimmerman because they were damned good offensive linemen too.

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good luck getting OL into the hall :/ If really more of the skill position and coaching hall of fame.

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Look I don't see wich of the 6 that got in didn't deserve it and I agree with all of you Monk deserves to get in but this year it was hard a lot of guys that must be in the HOF.

And you can't say you have a Redskins bias you have more players in the HOF than the Cowboys and they have more championships and SB apperance we only have 7 players that's nothing.


And again it was tough Madden and Wright being sennior where almost a shoe in and wright was 1 of the most domminent tackles of his time and it took untill he was a senior to get in Oline have the worst chances to get in.

Monk deserves it and also Irvin maybe next year.... theonly Questionable for my test is Moon he is a HOF but not a first ballot in my book.

In my point of view the HOF committe is feeling the heat of the players and fans who are upset because they don't give the recognition to the players that deserve it the ythin kthey know more than the players and coaches and it's starting to show.

All the talks about Aikman not being a HOF because he was sorounded by great players well wich great qb wasn't Montana and young had Rice, Kelly had reed and Thomas Elway had Davis. Fuc dumb asses.

The next HOF in my book are Monk, Irvin, Derrick Thomas and T.Thomas maybe not all next year but they all deserve it

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]Look I don't see wich of the 6 that got in didn't deserve it and I agree with all of you Monk deserves to get in but this year it was hard a lot of guys that must be in the HOF.

And you can't say you have a Redskins bias you have more players in the HOF than the Cowboys and they have more championships and SB apperance we only have 7 players that's nothing.


And again it was tough Madden and Wright being sennior where almost a shoe in and wright was 1 of the most domminent tackles of his time and it took untill he was a senior to get in Oline have the worst chances to get in.

Monk deserves it and also Irvin maybe next year.... theonly Questionable for my test is Moon he is a HOF but not a first ballot in my book.

In my point of vie the HOF committe is feeling the heat of the players and fans who are upset because they don't give the recognition to the players that deserve it the ythin kthey know more than the players and coaches and it's starting to show.

All the talks about Aikman not being a HOF because he was sorounded by great players well wich great qb wasn't Montana and young had Rice, Kelly had reed and Thomas Elway had Davis. Fuc dumb asses.

The next HOF in my book are Monk, Irvin, Derrick Thomas and T.Thomas maybe not all next year but they all deserve it[/QUOTE]

Aikman and Irvin are HOF's in my book. I don't think Irvin should get in w/out Monk getting in as well, but both are HOF's. I don't know about # of HOF's for the Boy's, but as i posted earlier some Dan Snyder hatred has affected and will affect some of the voters.

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Someone I know brought up a good point. If Jack Kent Cooke were still alive Monk would probably be in by now.