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[QUOTE=Huddle]Here's the scenario:

Ramsey is willing to sign a two or three year deal with team A but not with B. Don't you agree that his value to team A is higher and therefore they are in a better position to compensate the Redskins than team B?[/QUOTE]

ramsey would be a moron to sign a new deal with anyone because if he thinks he can start, whatever contract he'll get will be for peanuts and he'll lose his 1.6mill payday. If any team is offering him a good contract he'll sign it regardless of where it is. The skins only care about what they'll get, not what ramsey wants or his new contract. Ramsey isn't Brady or Peyton, he has no power to name his conditions. He'd happily accept any good contract offer or be the rented mule in hopes of getting a much better deal in 2007...

speaking of which, signing a new deal when the NFL might go uncapped would also be a bad idea.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Well the Dolphins or Jets are the most commonly mentioned. Particularly if let's say one of them is able to draft Jay Cutler. The Saints would fall into that category (by the way, might as well add Aaron Brooks to the list of QBs that could be available this spring). And that might be where he'd like to be, since it's close to home. And if the Raiders do part ways with Kerry Collins, I'd be really surprised if they think the answer is Tuiasosopo.

Then there's the other extreme. He goes somewhere where he sits for one more year but takes over in 2007. If the Vikings part ways with Daunte, they'll have 38 year old Brad Johnson behind center, the Chiefs have 36 year old Trent Green. How many more years do those guys have?[/QUOTE]

I think you misunderstood the question.

I asked which teams might be interested in trading for Ramsey in the final year of his contract assuming he would not sign a new deal with them. I'm certain you don't think that all those teams would give up a draft pick or a useful player for Ramsey given those conditions.

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[QUOTE=Huddle]I think you misunderstood the question.

I asked which teams might be interested in trading for Ramsey in the final year of his contract assuming he would not sign a new deal with them. I'm certain you don't think that all those teams would give up a draft pick or a useful player for Ramsey given those conditions.[/QUOTE]

I see. But why do you think he would be so choosy? He's still young and just wants a chance to play I believe. I don't think this is a case of him being someone at the end of his career and just waning to play in front of his home crowd, or wanting one last shot at a ring.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]ramsey would be a moron to sign a new deal with anyone because if he thinks he can start, whatever contract he'll get will be for peanuts and he'll lose his 1.6mill payday. If any team is offering him a good contract he'll sign it regardless of where it is. [/QUOTE]

You say "Ramsey would be a moron to sign a new contract with anyone..." and then "If any team is offering him a good contract he'll sign it regardless of where it is." Didn't you just contradict yourself?

Anyway. The smart move for Patrick IMO would be to sign a two-year deal with a team that might best support him in establishing himself as a bona fide starting QB. The Skins would be well-served to trade with teams of Ramsey's choice because his willingness to sign a two or three year deal would enhance his current market value.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I see. But why do you think he would be so choosy? He's still young and just wants a chance to play I believe. I don't think this is a case of him being someone at the end of his career and just waning to play in front of his home crowd, or wanting one last shot at a ring.[/QUOTE]

Pride and Money.

Let's say he signs a three-year deal with the Jets. That works for the Skins but not for Ramsey. Given the Jets current state, we can predict that they will be bottom feeders for the next three years and that their losses would principally be blamed on the QB. What does that do for his pride and how much is he worth when that deal expires.

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[QUOTE=Huddle]Pride and Money.

Let's say he signs a three-year deal with the Jets. That works for the Skins but not for Ramsey. Given the Jets current state, we can predict that they will be bottom feeders for the next three years and that their losses would principally be blamed on the QB. What does that do for his pride and how much is he worth when that deal expires.[/QUOTE]

So he would say "it looks like the team is going to lose and I'm going to get the blame", is that it? If that's the case, who would want him anyway? I think he'd be more likely to say "this is my chance to lead a team and help turn this team around"

Where would you think he'd be willing to play?

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]So he would say "it looks like the team is going to lose and I'm going to get the blame", is that it? If that's the case, who would want him anyway? I think he'd be more likely to say "this is my chance to lead a team and help turn this team around"

Where would you think he'd be willing to play?[/QUOTE]

If your son was a free agent NFL QB would you advise him to accept the challenge of turning around the Jets fortunes rather than playing somewhere where many of the pieces are already in place for a turnaround?

Because of the coaching changes, finding the right fit for Ramsey is beyond me now. I think he'd prosper in a scheme that uses a lot of spread formations but he probably has other ideas. I liked Miami for him, but their OC took a head coaching job with the Rams. Detroit might work.

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[QUOTE=Huddle]You say "Ramsey would be a moron to sign a new contract with anyone..." and then "If any team is offering him a good contract he'll sign it regardless of where it is." Didn't you just contradict yourself?

Anyway. The smart move for Patrick IMO would be to sign a two-year deal with a team that might best support him in establishing himself as a bona fide starting QB. The Skins would be well-served to trade with teams of Ramsey's choice because his willingness to sign a two or three year deal would enhance his current market value.[/QUOTE]

no i said he would be stupid to sign a new contract, the second statement was in response to you saying he would sign with team a and not team b, in which case IF he did actually sign a contract (cause the money was good, which it won't be, hence the first statement) I don't he'd be choosy about who it was with since he's not a player every team wants.

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[QUOTE=Huddle]If your son was a free agent NFL QB would you advise him to accept the challenge of turning around the Jets fortunes rather than playing somewhere where many of the pieces are already in place for a turnaround?

Because of the coaching changes, finding the right fit for Ramsey is beyond me now. I think he'd prosper in a scheme that uses a lot of spread formations but he probably has other ideas. I liked Miami for him, but their OC took a head coaching job with the Rams. Detroit might work.[/QUOTE]

most players under contract have no control, so giving advice wouldn't matter because the desicision isn't his to make.

ramsey would be best served in the rams offense (maybe the lions can dduplicate it, but i just don't think they have anywhere near the talent at wr #2, wr #3 or RB). At tulane he sat back and chucked deep and took a lot of sacks. he did the same thing with spurrier, and the rams do the same thing (only successfully) as well.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]no i said he would be stupid to sign a new contract, the second statement was in response to you saying he would sign with team a and not team b, in which case IF he did actually sign a contract (cause the money was good, which it won't be, hence the first statement) I don't he'd be choosy about who it was with since he's not a player every team wants.[/QUOTE]

So, you're saying that since Ramsey is a washout, he ought to take what he can get and not be so choosy. And I'm saying that since Ramsey doesn't think he's a washout, he will be choosy and it would be a good idea for the Redskins to pursue a trade with teams of Patrick's choice because they might just agree that he isn't a washout and be willing to part with a nice draft choice for him if he signs a new deal.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]those are their career stats, how are you suppposed to measure QBs? instead of decrying the arguement just because it doesn't support your point, how about rebutting it with actual facts?[/QUOTE]

I am not in the habit of rebutting arguments with facts after I have already conceded the point.

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[QUOTE=Huddle]So, you're saying that since Ramsey is a washout, he ought to take what he can get and not be so choosy. And I'm saying that since Ramsey doesn't think he's a washout, he will be choosy and it would be a good idea for the Redskins to pursue a trade with teams of Patrick's choice because they might just agree that he isn't a washout and be willing to part with a nice draft choice for him if he signs a new deal.[/QUOTE]

i dont think he's a washout, but i don't think he has the peyton type of talent to control his situation. The ONLY way he'd agree to a new contract with anyone is if he thinks its close to what he could get after a good year going into a potentially uncapped season. I think both he and the teams looking at him (who may also be drafting a QB and only need one year) would rather take a test drive than commit at a high dollar cost up front.

If someone insists on a new contract, it'll probably be a cheap one that ramsey wouldn't want, and he's completely capable of saying no to that. I think right now ramsey is more concerned with a chance to start games than with the size of a contract, because if he can play and play well, he'll make a ton more money in the long run. signing a 3 year contract for his current market value (maybe 2mill a year) would be counter to his interests (if he plays well he could get 4mill a year like warner or harrington and possibly a 5 year deal because of his age).

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[QUOTE=That Guy]i dont think he's a washout, but i don't think he has the peyton type of talent to control his situation. The ONLY way he'd agree to a new contract with anyone is if he thinks its close to what he could get after a good year going into a potentially uncapped season. I think both he and the teams looking at him (who may also be drafting a QB and only need one year) would rather take a test drive than commit at a high dollar cost up front.

If someone insists on a new contract, it'll probably be a cheap one that ramsey wouldn't want, and he's completely capable of saying no to that. I think right now ramsey is more concerned with a chance to start games than with the size of a contract, because if he can play and play well, he'll make a ton more money in the long run. signing a 3 year contract for his current market value (maybe 2mill a year) would be counter to his interests (if he plays well he could get 4mill a year like warner or harrington and possibly a 5 year deal because of his age).[/QUOTE]

Okay. I understand your position now and you might well be right, but starting with a team that offers him weak support would be repeating the problem Ramsey had with the Skins in 2003 with Spurrier and in 2004 with the not-ready-for-prime-time Gibbs offense. If he's as smart as I think he is, Patrick will scuttle a deal like that.

I can't see the Jets, for example, giving us a draft pick for a one-year trial of a QB who doesn't want to play there.

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[QUOTE=Huddle]
I can't see the Jets giving us a draft pick for a one-year trial of a QB who doesn't want to play there.[/QUOTE]

I could potentially see it, because they're in cap hell and the team is going to be bad. they don't want to ruin their rookie QB... so ramsey plays while culter learns and the next season, the jets will be able to start getting better talent again and culter can avoid being thrown into a meatgrinder while the NY media destroys him for having a bad team...

there are more QBs than openings as it appears right now, so there's a chance it might be ramsey's best shot (which would basically be a solo audition for the next year).

the raiders are probably more likely though. The saints may also grab a vet to let leinhart sit, but i doubt it. Leinhart in that situation is the guy you throw in to start learning right away. he's pretty polished and the NO media will welcome him as a savior.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]I could potentially see it, because they're in cap hell and the team is going to be bad. they don't want to ruin their rookie QB... so ramsey plays while culter learns and the next season, the jets will be able to start getting better talent again and culter can avoid being thrown into a meatgrinder while the NY media destroys him for having a bad team...

there are more QBs than openings as it appears right now, so there's a chance it might be ramsey's best shot (which would basically be a solo audition for the next year).

the raiders are probably more likely though. The saints may also grab a vet to let leinhart sit, but i doubt it. Leinhart in that situation is the guy you throw in to start learning right away. he's pretty polished and the NO media will welcome him as a savior.[/QUOTE]

You're the GM of the Jets. You would give up a draft pick for a QB to use for one year as cannon fodder when there are dozens of third-tier guys available as free agents at the league minimum salary?

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guyss looking for vet min aren't going to be as good as ramsey... maybe on draft day i'm sitting on my 4th or 5th round pick and don't really see anyone i like there.

besides, if ramsey is great, you got a D brees situation and that's not a bad thing. No coach wants to purposefully lose games and ramsey could really help with job security by giving you a couple extra wins while you're waiting out your cap hell.

maybe not, maybe another top 5 pick would be ideal, but ramsey isn't bad for price/performance, he's young with some upside and you don't have to commit to a long term contract (like kitna etc would want). It really depends on how they think things through. losing a lot of games because you only felt like paying vet min for jeff blake is a good way to loses the locker room though.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]guyss looking for vet min aren't going to be as good as ramsey... maybe on draft day i'm sitting on my 4th or 5th round pick and don't really see anyone i like there.

besides, if ramsey is great, you got a D brees situation and that's not a bad thing. No coach wants to purposefully lose games and ramsey could really help with job security by giving you a couple extra wins while you're waiting out your cap hell.

maybe not, maybe another top 5 pick would be ideal, but ramsey isn't bad for price/performance, he's young with some upside and you don't have to commit to a long term contract (like kitna etc would want). It really depends on how they think things through. losing a lot of games because you only felt like paying vet min for jeff blake is a good way to loses the locker room though.[/QUOTE]

I just spent some time on a Dolphins board. The consensus there seems to be that Ramsey might be had for a draft pick between three and five and that he'd be a bargain at that price.

Some think Drew Brees will come their way. Others are skeptical about his shoulder.

I've watched Drew Brees play four or five times and I'm unimpressed. He reminds me of Pennington: very accurate, good timing, but a weak arm (and that was before the shoulder injury).

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bree's arm is definately better than pennington's, but he does have off days... I mean, the skins got 4 picks off him (but LT still beat us). pennington has had better guys to throw to as well (but tiny deep threats and a weak arm don't mix well i'm afraid).

ramsey isn't as flawed or old as a lot of other options, and he's got an arm so there's some hope. i'd gladly take a 4th.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]The more I look at it, the more I feel Ramsey may be staying in Washington, simply because right now the market seems pretty flooded with QBs. I don't know if we'll get what we want for Ramsey.

Regardless of where he goes (minus an NFC E team) I wish him tons of luck. I really like him as a person and a player. I feel he got a really raw deal under Gibbs.[/QUOTE]


I agree Daseal, I think the x-factor is going to be Saunders, I believe he will have a major say in who he believes is the best QB to run his offense, and right now it's Patrick, he has all the qualities that you need to be a pocket passer, Green flurished under Saunders in KC he is also very similar to Ramsey except 1, Ramseys arm is much more powerful, and 2, Ramsey is smarter, beyond that they are both tough and probably move about the same.

I don't believe that Brunell has the arm or the toughness to run Saunders offense, but I am also realistic in the fact that Gibbs is going to do his best to push for Brunell, at least early on, then it will be Campbell.

I feel all Ramsey needs is a legitamate shot early on and he will take the job, just don't know if he will be here to do it.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]bree's arm is definately better than pennington's, but he does have off days... I mean, the skins got 4 picks off him (but LT still beat us). pennington has had better guys to throw to as well (but tiny deep threats and a weak arm don't mix well i'm afraid).

ramsey isn't as flawed or old as a lot of other options, and he's got an arm so there's some hope. i'd gladly take a 4th.[/QUOTE]

I think that Ramsey is an upgrade from Frerotte and Rosenfels and I would press the Dolphins for a #3 in negotiations. I think we can find someone willing to give up a 3 for Patrick. The contract stuff is for them to work out. If a team wants an extension as part of the deal then we move on to the next team.
It's interesting to me that hardcore fans who have (presumably) seen every snap Patrick has taken could arrive at such varying opinions of his ability. I see him as extremely average. A strong, accurate thrower, handicapped by his lack of mobility and poor decision making. Others see him as a superstar, who would dazzle us if it weren't for that biased Joe Gibbs, who cares more about proving he wasn't wrong on Brunell than he does about winning.

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[QUOTE=offiss]I agree Daseal, I think the x-factor is going to be Saunders, I believe he will have a major say in who he believes is the best QB to run his offense, and right now it's Patrick, he has all the qualities that you need to be a pocket passer, Green flurished under Saunders in KC he is also very similar to Ramsey except 1, Ramseys arm is much more powerful, and 2, Ramsey is smarter, beyond that they are both tough and probably move about the same.

I don't believe that Brunell has the arm or the toughness to run Saunders offense, but I am also realistic in the fact that Gibbs is going to do his best to push for Brunell, at least early on, then it will be Campbell.

I feel all Ramsey needs is a legitamate shot early on and he will take the job, just don't know if he will be here to do it.[/QUOTE]

How do you conclude that Ramsey is smarter than Green?

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]How do you conclude that Ramsey is smarter than Green?[/QUOTE]


tafkas didnt u hear? the nfl jst took IQ tests to all players and posted them??!?!??!?! and theyre showing there SAT scoresss......

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[QUOTE=70Chip]I think that Ramsey is an upgrade from Frerotte and Rosenfels and I would press the Dolphins for a #3 in negotiations. I think we can find someone willing to give up a 3 for Patrick. The contract stuff is for them to work out. If a team wants an extension as part of the deal then we move on to the next team.[/QUOTE]

I think Ramsey would be smart to sign a new deal with the Dolphins, say for three years, heavily weighted toward incentives. If he were willing to do that to make the trade work, I think the Dolphins would consider the three pick a bargain price.


[QUOTE]It's interesting to me that hardcore fans who have (presumably) seen every snap Patrick has taken could arrive at such varying opinions of his ability. I see him as extremely average. A strong, accurate thrower, handicapped by his lack of mobility and poor decision making. Others see him as a superstar, who would dazzle us if it weren't for that biased Joe Gibbs, who cares more about proving he wasn't wrong on Brunell than he does about winning.[/QUOTE]

Well, there are many other positions in between those you mention. I don't have any doubt that Joe sees his Brunell-Ramsey decisions as being best for the team. It isn't an ego thing with him. But my not-so-humble opinion is that he's wrong.

I'm not a stats guy. Most individual statistics are worthless in my book. One exception I make is wins and losses. In 23 starts Ramsey was 10-13 (Chicago start last season not included). Over the same span, the team was 8-17 in games not started by Patrick.

I haven't seen a superstar performance, but Patrick was our best QB over a three year span and, although I'm resigned to his leaving, I think he might still be the best on our roster.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]How do you conclude that Ramsey is smarter than Green?[/QUOTE]

I couldn't find Green's Wonderlic score, so we can't say for sure. But Ramsey (32) is smarter than Brunell (22).

Campbell took the test three times. His first score was (14)...bonehead. But then he scored 27 and 28. I don't know how that can happen...too much discrepancy in those scores.

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[QUOTE=Huddle]I couldn't find Green's Wonderlic score, so we can't say for sure. But Ramsey (32) is smarter than Brunell (22).
[/QUOTE]

How has that translated on the field?

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]How has that translated on the field?[/QUOTE]

Who knows?

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Let's please not rehash the Brunell-Ramsey-Campbell-Other QB debate. We've done that so many times. Ramsey is leaving. Let's move on.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Let's please not rehash the Brunell-Ramsey-Campbell-Other QB debate. We've done that so many times. Ramsey is leaving. Let's move on.[/QUOTE]

Did you read the thread?

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[QUOTE=Huddle]Did you read the thread?[/QUOTE]

Yes. Unfortunately however, the thread is moving away from discussion about the thread's original topic to who Ramsey is or is not smarter than (i.e. Brunell).

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Yes. Unfortunately however, the thread is moving away from discussion about the thread's original topic to who Ramsey is or is not smarter than (i.e. Brunell).[/QUOTE]

Yeah I apologize for that. That was my fault for questioning how someone concluded that Ramsey is smarter than Trent Green. Mea culpa.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Yeah I apologize for that. That was my fault for questioning how someone concluded that Ramsey is smarter than Trent Green. Mea culpa.[/QUOTE]

We both know it was bound to go there anyways.

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the wonderlic is general IQ test given after hours of workouts, so like the SATs, it is possible to study for them by taking hundreds and hundreds of practice questions a day. Its also possible campbell was suffering from heat exhaustion or some other minor condition that took his focus away from the test.

The test is meant to see how well you can think under pressure, its translation onto a football field has always been debatable.

McNabb did terribly on the wonderlic and he's still a franchise QB (though we now know he's lacking severly in off-field leadership skills).

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[QUOTE=That Guy]the wonderlic is general IQ test given after hours of workouts, so like the SATs, it is possible to study for them by taking hundreds and hundreds of practice questions a day. Its also possible campbell was suffering from heat exhaustion or some other minor condition that took his focus away from the test.

The test is meant to see how well you can think under pressure, its translation onto a football field has always been debatable.

McNabb did terribly on the wonderlic and he's still a franchise QB (though we now know he's lacking severly in off-field leadership skills).[/QUOTE]

Football isn't rocket science. There isn't anything that someone with a below average IQ can't learn if given enough repetition. It might take him more time, but he'll eventually get there.

Dan Marino scored a 16 on his wonderlic. Jeff George a 10. But low scores like this are the exception rather than the rule for QBs. If two players are about equal in athletic ability, you pick the brighter guy.

Intelligence can make a big difference at cornerback also. Pat Fischer played the game with his brain as much as his body.

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yeah, hence why i mentioned that the results are debateable. Most of the questions are general knowledge or logic problems, not football stuff. If you're below average intelligence you just have to rely/spend more time on rote memorization than drawing conclussion from axioms... but honestly, in any field, actual experience absolutely destroys book learning, and its probably more true in althletics than other fields.

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There are reports that Vince Young scored a 6. I don't think it means much though. I'm sure Pete Carrol would score a lot higher than 6, but he couldn't figure out a way to stop Vince. "Stupid is as stupid does".

Also Jason Campbell doubled his score from 14 his junior year to 28 his senior year. There's not supposed to be that sort of variation in the results. It renders the test suspect as a reliable indicator of intelligence.

On a completely unrelated topic, Dat Nguyen has retired after seven years with Dallas.

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Pasquarelli's on-topic article 2/26 2:10 PM

[url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2345822"]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2345822[/url]

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[b]ets | Team still trying to trade for Ramsey[/b]
Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:56:59 -0800

The New York Daily News reports the [url="http://www.kffl.com/team/27/nfl"][color=#0000ff]New York Jets[/color][/url] are still working on a trade with the [url="http://www.kffl.com/team/37/nfl"][color=#0000ff]Washington Redskins[/color][/url] for QB [url="http://www.kffl.com/player/1938/nfl"][color=#0000ff]Patrick Ramsey[/color][/url].

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[QUOTE=70Chip]There are reports that Vince Young scored a 6. I don't think it means much though. I'm sure Pete Carrol would score a lot higher than 6, but he couldn't figure out a way to stop Vince. "Stupid is as stupid does".

Also Jason Campbell doubled his score from 14 his junior year to 28 his senior year. There's not supposed to be that sort of variation in the results. It renders the test suspect as a reliable indicator of intelligence.

On a completely unrelated topic, Dat Nguyen has retired after seven years with Dallas.[/QUOTE]


The first score is usually the most telling, an individual can actually memorize the test or there abouts and increase his score which really doesn't say much for the test the second go round.

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[QUOTE=Huddle]Pasquarelli's on-topic article 2/26 2:10 PM

[url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2345822"]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2345822[/url][/QUOTE]


It will probably happen, but unfortunatly Gibbs did nothing but tare down Ramseys value, I do think he would be much better suited in Miami though.

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All i know is tim hasselback is a free agent and hes coming back to be our 3rd stringer baby!