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MOrt just reported that it is over, talks are over. Mort said the players association walked out... all teams must be under the cap by 10 PM.

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Gentlemen, sharpen your axes!:frusty:Didn't Mort say they still had a chance with using their blackberries?

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[QUOTE=Defensewins]The majority (large masses) of NFL fans are not loyal fans like you and I, most are really fair weather fans.
The Colts are the perfect example. Right before the Colts got Manning, Edgerrin and Harrison nobody gave a rat ass about the colts. Their attendance was horrible and they were never on TV. They did not have a probowl player for years. NOw they have the stars and have been to the playoffs for a few years, they sell out and now the city wants to build them a stadium just to keep them. Oh, how things have changed for them.[/QUOTE]


i agree with you , youve made valid points but i don't believe the impact of losing a few star players would hurt any nfl team (as far as attendance and so forth...)

teams like the colts, that you mentioned, wouldn't cut manning or harrison , they would cut some lesser known stars. same with the skins, they're way over the cap but they wouldn't cut any of their true stars.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]i agree with you , youve made valid points but i don't believe the impact of losing a few star players would hurt any nfl team (as far as attendance and so forth...)

teams like the colts, that you mentioned, wouldn't cut manning or harrison , they would cut some lesser known stars. same with the skins, they're way over the cap but they wouldn't cut any of their true stars.[/QUOTE]

like lavar? stars get replaced, just wait a couple years.

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I think that the CBA talks would make a good Dilbert cartoon. Catbert would be Upshaw...

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[QUOTE=That Guy]like lavar? stars get replaced, just wait a couple years.[/QUOTE]



thats my point, stars come and go but true fans still watch their favorite teams
regardless.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Okay, so instead of siding with the millionaires, you're siding with the billionaires? Sorry if I don't cry about the owners or players not being able to afford a solid-gold gulfstream.[/QUOTE]

It wasn't for these billionaires there wouldn't be the NFL! Or Dell or Microsoft or GM or what ever!!! These men put thier ass on the line! It would be like you putting together a high paying law firm and lawyers telling YOU what and how you will pay them! I am not for owners I am for a man being able to run his buisness with in the law! Setting how much he pays his workers! Not having anyone like Government come in and set pay rates! If the players wanted to set up thier own league and it is good then it will beat out the owners! More power to them!!!

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]thats my point, stars come and go but true fans still watch their favorite teams
regardless.[/QUOTE]

You are right!!! I love when the had the replacement players!!! Guys playing for the love of the game!!! Put Joe Parker or Dave Smith and he is good as well as a Redskins. I love them!!!

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete]It wasn't for these billionaires there wouldn't be the NFL! Or Dell or Microsoft or GM or what ever!!! These men put thier ass on the line! It would be like you putting together a high paying law firm and lawyers telling YOU what and how you will pay them! I am not for owners I am for a man being able to run his buisness with in the law! Setting how much he pays his workers! Not having anyone like Government come in and set pay rates! If the players wanted to set up thier own league and it is good then it will beat out the owners! More power to them!!![/QUOTE]

#1. If it wasn't for the players, there wouldn't be football games worth watching.

#2. The owners put their asses on the line? What NFL owner hasn't made bundles on the acquisition of a team?

#3. I'm not sure how the whole law thing comes into play.

All I am saying is I just haven't taken a side in this fight. All sides are being greedy. I don't care who "wins."

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]#1. If it wasn't for the players, there wouldn't be football games worth watching.

#2. The owners put their asses on the line? What NFL owner hasn't made bundles on the acquisition of a team?

#3. I'm not sure how the whole law thing comes into play.

All I am saying is I just haven't taken a side in this fight. All sides are being greedy. I don't care who "wins."[/QUOTE]

Not about winning it's about both sides getting a fair contract so we can watch football!

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete]Not about winning it's about both sides getting a fair contract so we can watch football![/QUOTE]

Exactly. I care less about what side feels vindicated by the outcome of the negotiations. All I care about is watching football and knowing what players we will have and what players we will lose.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Exactly. I care less about what side feels vindicated by the outcome of the negotiations. All I care about is watching football and knowing what players we will have and what players we will lose.[/QUOTE]

Question......If the players get a higher % of the cap dose that set the cap? Why dose the NFL just make the cap this season 100 mill...why is it set at 94.5? Who set that that cap if no CBA is done?

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete]Question......If the players get a higher % of the cap dose that set the cap? Why dose the NFL just make the cap this season 100 mill...why is it set at 94.5? Who set that that cap if no CBA is done?[/QUOTE]

The old (current) CBA does not expire until after the 2007 season.

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Everyone in this labor dispute has someone looking out for and protecting what is supposedly their best interest except us, the fans. Too bad we don't have a Union to protect our interest because when it's all said and done, all projected revenue is predicated on fan participation, and generated through the support of the fan. The owners wouldn't have much to own without us.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan]Everyone in this labor dispute has someone looking out for and protecting what is supposedly their best interest except us, the fans. Too bad we don't have a Union to protect our interest because when it's all said and done, all projected revenue is predicated on fan participation, and generated through the support of the fan. The owners wouldn't have much to own without us.[/QUOTE]

Well stated. If only we were less passionate about football. We have spoiled these jerks by shelling out ridiculous amounts of money for tickets and merchandise. I for one, can't help myself, though.

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Now the NFLPA and management have come to an agreement. The only obstacle to an agreement is now the owners. So, should I start a thread about the owners being dumb and/or stupid?

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if you wait long enough,one will be started for you

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That Guy:

You were right on target when you said that without a CBA the NFL is ripe for an anti-trust suit. Please recall that the NFL was found guilty of anti-trust violations back in the 1980s in the suit filed against them by the USFL. For those who don't recall or weren't around at the time, the NFL LOST that case. Things havent' changed much since then so the league could be sued again by a rival league if things head off into an "uncapped year".

The owners are a bunch of rich egoists; the players are a bunch of spoiled brats who feel entitled to things because of their athletic prowess. It's hard to root for either side here.

But something better happen soon or the whole ball of yarn may start to unravel...

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]That Guy:

You were right on target when you said that without a CBA the NFL is ripe for an anti-trust suit. Please recall that the NFL was found guilty of anti-trust violations back in the 1980s in the suit filed against them by the USFL. For those who don't recall or weren't around at the time, the NFL LOST that case. Things havent' changed much since then so the league could be sued again by a rival league if things head off into an "uncapped year".

The owners are a bunch of rich egoists; the players are a bunch of spoiled brats who feel entitled to things because of their athletic prowess. It's hard to root for either side here.

But something better happen soon or the whole ball of yarn may start to unravel...[/QUOTE]

Excellent post SC. Where have you been?

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of course, by the time the USFL won its case it had already gone bankrupt, kinda what you'd term as a hollow victory.

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Ramseyfan:

I've been in East Africa for the last two and a half weeks (Kenya, Tanzania and Zanzibar to be specific).


That Guy:

The hollowness of the victory by the USFL was really carved out by the jury. They found the NFL guilty of anti-trust violations of law and then awarded only one dollar to the USFL as compensation. Anti-trust law allows for tripling the jury award and so the USFL "won" the grand total of three bucks. NOt even enough to get a Venti Skim Latte at Starbucks these days...

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How many Starbucks are there in Zanzibar?

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Monksdown:

Didn't see a Starbucks anywhere in Africa. There are some in Heathrow Airport in London where I made my plance connections; after that, it was local Kenyan and Tanzanian coffee - - which is not bad at all.