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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I don't think we'll go crazy in free agency at all.

I do think we'll look long and hard at the two main problem areas, WR and DE, and go from there.[/QUOTE]

I don't think we'll go crazy either. I think we'll pick up 1-3 new starters and some cheap depth. My main point in creating the thread was to temper the, "let's get Abraham, Howard, Randel-El, Ray Lewis, etc." talk. Getting one of those guys wouldn't be going crazy. Getting boatload of them would be.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I know a lot of people are excited about the new CBA ... and cap room. Trust me, I am absolutely elated. However, I hope we don't go crazy in free agency (assuming we get the cap room to go crazy). A lot of people have been talking about going after big name free agents. Why?

We did very well last year with a core group of solid guys. Why wreck team chemistry by revamping the roster? Sure, we need a few guys here and there, but I doubt we need more than 1-3 new starters.

Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]

Not about going after the top name guys anyway! ait's about picking up players that fit our needs and are young enough to last! IE... M.Washington kind of guy! I think you can get these kind of players to fill needs like #2 WR,LB,OL,DL and CB help. Then use the draft to pick the best play out there when it our pick. I know Gibbs has given a lot to this team and shown why FA should come here. We will see if it is a selling point! I hope so! :towel: Thank god we can talk about this and NOT THE CBA!!!

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete]Thank god we can talk about this and NOT THE CBA!!![/QUOTE]

Seriously, I was ready to shoot myself in the face.

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[QUOTE=theJBexperience]There isn't going to be any worth wild receivers left when we pick.[/QUOTE]
WR are hit and miss. Good scouting can find a solid number 2 WR in the middle rounds and that's what we need. Draft a young guy to develop. Hell even first rounders usually suck so why waste a first rounder on one? I am a firm believer in taking the 14th best WR who looks like a lock to be a solid number 2 guy than taking what amounts to a flyer on a guy in the first round who "has the tools" to be a number 1. There are lots of busts in the first round and a disproportionate amount of them are WRs.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I don't think we'll go crazy either. I think we'll pick up 1-3 new starters and some cheap depth. My main point in creating the thread was to temper the, "let's get Abraham, Howard, Randel-El, Ray Lewis, etc." talk. Getting one of those guys wouldn't be going crazy. Getting boatload of them would be.[/QUOTE]

I am a Randel-EL guy but not over paying! As for the rest I think there are others that fill nedds that aren't BIG names that will be great! I think 2-3 starters and so depth on the OL is the way to go as well!

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At least we can "go" anywhere! Without a CBA, it was "who do we cut?" Now we can at least take a look. Rest assured, Gibbs and Co. will choose carefully. But Gibbs himself has said several times: "we are an agressive franchise." He cited Griffen, Daniels, Washington, Rabach, etc. as evidence that good things can happen in FA if you do it right.

Dana Stublefield, Mark Carrier, Deon= crazy

Marcus Washington, Cornelius Griffen, Casey Rabach= agressive within reason.

We are going to be active, at least.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Seriously, I was ready to shoot myself in the face.[/QUOTE]

My son is 14 and I was trying to tell him what was going on!!! :insane: He loves the Redskins as much as I do. I hope he can see the great teams I saw as a young man that Washington had! He starts high school this football this fall and he loves the game. What is nice is having a man like Gibbs running the show because he will do what the Redskins need and will leave this team better off when he leaves!

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[QUOTE=JWsleep]Dana Stublefield, Mark Carrier, Deon= crazy [/QUOTE]
I'll grant you two of the three. But why does everyone hate on us about Stubblefield? The guy was a beast immediately before joing the Skins. There was no way anyone would have predicted he would suck so hard.

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[QUOTE=JWsleep]At least we can "go" anywhere! Without a CBA, it was "who do we cut?" Now we can at least take a look. Rest assured, Gibbs and Co. will choose carefully. But Gibbs himself has said several times: "we are an agressive franchise." He cited Griffen, Daniels, Washington, Rabach, etc. as evidence that good things can happen in FA if you do it right.

Dana Stublefield, Mark Carrier, Deon= crazy

Marcus Washington, Cornelius Griffen, Casey Rabach= agressive within reason.

We are going to be active, at least.[/QUOTE]

I think the agressive line of your post is all GIBBS. I believe he will do the best thing and the tright thing!! GO SKINS!!!!

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]I'll grant you two of the three. But why does everyone hate on us about Stubblefield? The guy was a beast immediately before joing the Skins. There was no way anyone would have predicted he would suck so hard.[/QUOTE]

Stubby really benefited from playing alongside Bryant Young back then, and there rumors that he was overrated. Turns out those rumors were most definitely correct.

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Might as well trash this thread! Check out the Post!

Time to kick the tires on Redskins1. In 24 hours the first big name will be on board! ha ha ha

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]Might as well trash this thread! Check out the Post!

Time to kick the tires on Redskins1. In 24 hours the first big name will be on board! ha ha ha[/QUOTE]
I think this thread was meant to try and temper our exuberance over the new deal and the all the shiny new free agents it would allow us to get. Notice it was started after the new CBA was accepted.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Stubby really benefited from playing alongside Bryant Young back then, and there rumors that he was overrated. Turns out those rumors were most definitely correct.[/QUOTE]

Well put and true! Young was the man and that was why the 9ers let Stubby move on! That move and the DT out of Carolina ??? we pick up for picks didn't work out the way we hoped it would!

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete]Well put and true! Young was the man and that was why the 9ers let Stubby move on! That move and the DT out of Carolina ??? we pick up for picks didn't work out the way we hoped it would![/QUOTE]
DT out of carolina? You mean Gilbert who ended up not playing and getting us a first rounder?

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]I'll grant you two of the three. But why does everyone hate on us about Stubblefield? The guy was a beast immediately before joing the Skins. There was no way anyone would have predicted he would suck so hard.[/QUOTE]

I'll tell you what though. I worked with Stub a few times in a previous job. Such a nice guy. Unbelievably friendly, and a beast with the BBQ. Frustrating to watch on the field, but great, great guy off it...

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]Might as well trash this thread! Check out the Post!

Time to kick the tires on Redskins1. In 24 hours the first big name will be on board! ha ha ha[/QUOTE]

The Post didn't reveal anything new about Gibbs' intentions re: free agency. He has been saying for months that the Redskins would be "aggressive" in free agency if the CBA got extended. Redskins.com has even been reporting that the Redskins were possibly looking to upgrade at WR, CB, DE and along the O-line (for depth). So, from my perspective, it's not the WP article changes anything.

As I said earlier in this and other threads, I think we'll probably add 1-3 starting-caliber players and some depth. That wouldn't unreasonable or crazy; that would be what we all have expected and the norm for an offseason. I, and I think others, would be highly surprised if Gibbs added 5+ starters.

What I was saying would be crazy, would be to go after a bunch of big-name players who are going to command 8-figure bonuses. I would be surprised if we got two players with 8-figure bonuses.

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If we do get a kicker I sure as hell hope he can kick a touchback! I like Hall on fieldgoals but did anybody else notice that he kicked off to the 20 yard line? Our opponent's avg field position had to be the 35 yd line. Gibbs won't stand for that.

I think Joe J. would be a good #2 and probably won't cost much. I guarentee somebody is going to overpay for Randel El and I hope it is not us!

I couldn't agree more about not going crazy (as a matter of fact I was just saying so in another thread before I notice this one) another off season like last year will suit me fine.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]I think this thread was meant to try and temper our exuberance over the new deal and the all the shiny new free agents it would allow us to get. Notice it was started after the new CBA was accepted.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. They pulled in several big names Gibbs' first year and that paid off.
They were muted last year and made some moves so they could be more aggressive this year.

DE, LB, WR, K, CB, OL... These are all areas of need and they could all be filled in the first 36 hours. The teams in the East are already getting better and since they can't draft anyone decent after the third round, free agency is the only way to keep up.

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I believe this year is going to resemble one of the big spending years. There are alot of needs at key positions and Joe isn't going to use the draft to fill those immediately. FA pickups will be WR,CB,SS,QB,DE,OLB. They may draft these positions, but not with the intention of playing right away. Also K and P. No way hall is back, plus Tupa has a bad back and they aren't going to keep him around to see if he is going to play or not. Face it, this may be Joes last year on the sideline and we are going to do what ever he thinks can get him back to big one. I am not saying his last year with the Redskins, just his last on the sideline. I mean, hell GW handles the D with no input or very little input from Gibbs, admitably. and now Saunders is going to do the same with the O. Now, Joe may decide on going for it on 4th down, or go for two, but other than that he isn't going to be doing much. hell, saunders is even calling the plays. We will spend and spend heavily!!

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go for bruce and peterson

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[QUOTE=bertoskins]go for bruce and peterson[/QUOTE]

Isaac Bruce? Why would you want the guy. he is 34 years old. Small, lost a few steps, not just a step. you basing that on name and name only. I wouldn't even give him the vet minimum, especially with the young talent out in the FA market

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]I disagree. They pulled in several big names Gibbs' first year and that paid off.
They were muted last year and made some moves so they could be more aggressive this year.

DE, LB, WR, K, CB, OL... These are all areas of need and they could all be filled in the first 36 hours. The teams in the East are already getting better and since they can't draft anyone decent after the third round, free agency is the only way to keep up.[/QUOTE]

i can see de and lb being filled with this, and possibly cb. im just wondering about kicker because all of htem are going to command a huge price.

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Dear Mr. Dan

Dont allow bruce to be taken by any team except our belovbed skins
sign him the first day

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bruce is a gibbs guy, even though old is still a burner and can help moss bet out of double team

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i was just looking at us getting rw mcquarters who could also fill the need of a decent PR/KR.

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[QUOTE=theJBexperience]I am. If Brunell goes down, so does the rest of the team in flames.[/QUOTE]I don't think we can say that until we get a chance to see how Campbell has progressed over the past year. Who knows after we get a chance to see him play in some preseason games we might be calling for him to be our starter this year. I don't think that will happen but it would be nice if he was performing good enough to bring up that conversation.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]Isaac Bruce? Why would you want the guy. he is 34 years old. Small, lost a few steps, not just a step. you basing that on name and name only. I wouldn't even give him the vet minimum, especially with the young talent out in the FA market[/QUOTE]

because we need someone who can play wr NOW. We can draft a wr but they won't develop for a few years.
Bruce is 34, has a few years left & can still play. Wherever he goes he'll get more than the vet minimum, unless you know something about his past injuries that's keeping him from healing.

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[QUOTE=firstdown]I don't think we can say that until we get a chance to see how Campbell has progressed over the past year. Who knows after we get a chance to see him play in some preseason games we might be calling for him to be our starter this year. I don't think that will happen but it would be nice if he was performing good enough to bring up that conversation.[/QUOTE]

I guess so. It's just rare to have someone sit a year and still come in and win. I mean Carson Palmer didn't even do it, but I'll admit I was being a bit melodramatic.

I've never been thrilled with his pick in the first round especially with the guys that were left. I think he would've been around later. Oh well. Hopefully, I will one day think that was a genius move to trade up for him.

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[QUOTE=freddyg12]because we need someone who can play wr NOW. We can draft a wr but they won't develop for a few years.
Bruce is 34, has a few years left & can still play. Wherever he goes he'll get more than the vet minimum, unless you know something about his past injuries that's keeping him from healing.[/QUOTE]

I cant believe everyone is so willing to pay a 34 year old receiver who is past his prime. It just doesn't make sense. If you are going to pay a 34 past their prime WR, why not take a shot at TO. Probably going to be around the same price and he is by far a better receiver than bruce. plus he is a couple of years younger. (I in no way want TO on the Redskins) I was being sarcastic before someone goes on a tangent about TO and Redskins.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]I disagree. They pulled in several big names Gibbs' first year and that paid off.
They were muted last year and made some moves so they could be more aggressive this year.

DE, LB, WR, K, CB, OL... These are all areas of need and they could all be filled in the first 36 hours. The teams in the East are already getting better and since they can't draft anyone decent after the third round, free agency is the only way to keep up.[/QUOTE]

CB? I agree we need depth, but you're not saying we should bench Springs or Rogers?

OL? We also need depth there, but you're not saying to bench one of the starters?

We definately need help at DE and WR. I don't think anyone would argue with you and I've never done so. Those are positions of need. Of course we might need help at LB because we just dumped Arrington. But getting 3 new starters wouldn't be going crazy (I've always said that was reasonable and probably to be expected). So, are you just being argumentative for its own sake, or do you actually disagree with what I said?

What I have disagreed with is people who want to upgrade starters everywhere (i.e. TE, LG, WR, SS, DT, DE, OLB). We could improve over the starters at all of those positions, but not all at once and certainly not all at once through free agency.

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[QUOTE=PWNED]i was just looking at us getting rw mcquarters who could also fill the need of a decent PR/KR.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. But, doesn't he have some lingering injury.

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i wasnt sure, but seriosly at the right pryce, im all about getting some people who can fill more than one need, ex. randle-el

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]CB? I agree we need depth, but you're not saying we should bench Springs or Rogers?

OL? We also need depth there, but you're not saying to bench one of the starters?

We definately need help at DE and WR. I don't think anyone would argue with you and I've never done so. Those are positions of need. Of course we might need help at LB because we just dumped Arrington. But getting 3 new starters wouldn't be going crazy (I've always said that was reasonable and probably to be expected). So, are you just being argumentative for its own sake, or do you actually disagree with what I said?

What I have disagreed with is people who want to upgrade starters everywhere (i.e. TE, LG, WR, SS, DT, DE, OLB). We could improve over the starters at all of those positions, but not all at once and certainly not all at once through free agency.[/QUOTE]

Taylor's trouble could be come the Redskis if he gose to jail....need a back up plan and that is saying Clark resigns! Three stars like DE,WR and LB would fit the bill!!! Then some vet back ups on the OL and DL.

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i read an article saying that we are VERY interested in adam archuleta. hopefully clark can stay AND get archuleta.

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[QUOTE=PWNED]i read an article saying that we are VERY interested in adam archuleta. hopefully clark can stay AND get archuleta.[/QUOTE]

Is this because you don't think Taylor is going to be around or Clark? Lets say we do get Archuleta with Taylor and Clark isn't that over kill? We need Clark or someone at S but we also need a DE and a LB maybe a 3rd CB. The Taylor thing really has me thinking he might not play!!! So if its that I can see a player here but Archuleta will damand to high a cost. There are other free agents that could fill that need at a lower cost I think!!!

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i think theyre maybe planning for the possibility of taylor being gone. archuleta would be an upgrade over clark, but that would be a shame to see such a team guy a) get the boot or b) get benched

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[QUOTE=ST21]Bullshit.......Santana was by himself last year....except in the Redzone, where Cooley was by himself....I need a Good #2 Eric Moulds, ..Joe Jurevious, Koren Robinson good back up...TE Dan Campbell....Oh God can we get John Abraham and Tank Williams.....at SS....next to Sean Taylor oh yeah.....and DT Trevor Pryce[/QUOTE]

that is if tank williams isn't in jail.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]that is if tank williams isn't in jail.[/QUOTE]

what's up with Tank? I didn't know he had legal problems

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[QUOTE=RobH4413]because a healthy brunell w/ open receivers means
many touchdowns and no interceptions. unhealthy
brunell means jason campbell (unless gibbs goes into
another fit of "i love mark in the in the rain, i love
mark in a train, i would not could not put ramsey in,
i do not like anyone but him") and jason campbell
has had only good things said about him.

i think we're in good shape qb-wise[/QUOTE]

props on working in some green eggs and ham.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]what's up with Tank? I didn't know he had legal problems[/QUOTE]

damn, sorry, williams just had a DUI, tank JOHNSON (chi) had the legal issues.

my bad.