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[QUOTE=VTSkins897]thankfully it's over my head.[/QUOTE]

We should have a contest. Daseal can't play though.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]How many heads do you think that just went over?[/QUOTE]

I know it didn't go over mine. I can proudly say I didn't get pwned.

;)

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Check This Out:

Ramsey=jets
Bress=dolphins
Culpepper=raiders

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]
I think since Skins seem to be stockpiling picks in the later rounds, they're going to have some trade ammo to slide up in the draft when they see a player they really like. Especially once we add any compensatory picks for Smoot & Pierce.[/QUOTE]


The conditional is most likely a 7th rounder, which is worthless (and you can't trade comp picks either). Maybe we can use it on a punter ;)

a 5th and a possible 3rd isn't bad. there's talent in the fifth (and this is a very very high 5th rounder). I don't think ramsey is as thin skineed as that NFC GM said though. He handled everything here extremely well overall.

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On the outside, I just have doubts about his mental stability with all that bullshit that happened here.

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[QUOTE=That Guy](and you can't trade comp picks either)[/QUOTE]

Yeah but you can trade your normal picks and use the compensatories instead.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Yeah but you can trade your normal picks and use the compensatories instead.[/QUOTE]

right, but a 7th round pick has no trade value ;)

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[QUOTE=dirthogs311]Check This Out:

Ramsey=jets
Bress=dolphins
Culpepper=raiders[/QUOTE]


so PR hooks back up with coles, and daunte gets back with moss? wouldn't that be odd.

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The haunting part about Ramsey's upcoming departure is the success of departed Skins QBs.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]How many heads do you think that just went over?[/QUOTE]
More market research I see. Well, I am just going to go sit in my armchair and see how many people were, in fact, pwned.

BTW - I thought that damn kid sounded to smart to be 14, I'm betting he was only about 16 or 17. ;)

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I wonder who they were pwned by?

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[QUOTE=That Guy]right, but a 7th round pick has no trade value ;)[/QUOTE]

That Guy, I think you're getting confused. I'm saying that we've got two 6th rounders, one is our own and one is from Rod Gardner. Now we're going to have two 5th rounders this year, if this Ramsey deal goes through. Then maybe throw in a pick or two in the 5th or 6th for compensatory picks, and we've got a slew of picks in those later rounds. That's nice trade ammo to have if you see someone available in the 4th round that you really want, you can trade your two 5th rounders or something like that to slide up and grab him.

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Or you can use your compensatory picks to draft someone and trade the rights to them? Seems like that might be a way around that rule.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I wonder who they were pwned by?[/QUOTE]
This guy:

[IMG]http://us.st11.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/I/brandsonsale-store_1886_130945085[/IMG]

'Nuff said.

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we're not getting comp picks in the 3rd, 4th, 5th or 6th rounds. we'll probably end up with a single 7th round comp pick.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]we're not getting comp picks in the 3rd, 4th, 5th or 6th rounds. we'll probably end up with a single 7th round comp pick.[/QUOTE]

SPLITTING HAIRS!

Point being that with the two 5ths and two 6ths at our disposal, we can slide up a bit to grab someone we really want.

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yeah, of course. moving up in the 2nd day isn't quite as awesome as moving up in the first day though ;)
at least the jets 5th is very high, so moving into the 4th wouldn't be hard.

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The 5th rounder pick will be pretty high in that round and the conditional pick can sweeten the deal. Maybe another team will come along and offer a better deal.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]SPLITTING HAIRS!

Point being that with the two 5ths and two 6ths at our disposal, we can slide up a bit to grab someone we really want.[/QUOTE]


Nobody really gets it, what is our record drafting under Gibbs past the 3rd rd? NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Everyone is so confident that that will change with Ramseys pick though, yea right. He's worth more as a backup to us than anything we would bring back with whatever a 5th can bring back. I also find it funny that some are trying to make a case that we could get a conditional 3rd pick next year, first he's garbage, but he will play his way into a 3rd rd conditional pick? Give me a break!

What do we do if Brunell goes down early, or continues his decline as a NFL QB? And the kid is not ready to go, no way I give Ramsey away.

I also agree with the article that say's the Jets are not a good fit, not because he can't handle the pressure there, but I am not sold on the new coaching staff coming in, something tells me they will be like deer in headlights, he should try and land himself in miami.

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offiss, it may be premature to blow up on Gibbs after two drafts for not finding second day gold in the draft. It is talent that needs development. Last year's 4th rounder went on IR, two others were at the bottom of a deep LB depth chart. In 2004, we drafted Wilson and Molinaro, both of whom got playing time that year.

Anyone could cherry pick late round gems that had an impact - after the fact. I just checked last year's draft, and players picked after Manny White had almost no impact that would have helped us. The only names I recognized were Ryan Fitzpatrick (the Rams QB we murderered) and Darren Sproles (a good backup tailback - which we have three of).

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I have mixed fellings about this. If Burnell went down is Campbell able to take over IE Doug Williams? Yes if he stays he wouldn't be happy but what best for the team. Yes if he went to the Jets for a 5th pick and a pick next year that could be a 3rd. I have to say that there must be another pick next year for this trade to be done in my eyes. Even if he dosen't play! If all went well and we did get a 5th and a 3rd that would be nice but if Burnell gets hurt we could pay a big cost in 06!

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i would imagine the skins will be looking to sign a veteran qb this offseason to take the place of ramsey.

i'd like to see campbell the starter with brunell 2nd and another veteran 3rd.

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete]I have mixed fellings about this. If Burnell went down is Campbell able to take over IE Doug Williams? Yes if he stays he wouldn't be happy but what best for the team. Yes if he went to the Jets for a 5th pick and a pick next year that could be a 3rd. I have to say that there must be another pick next year for this trade to be done in my eyes. Even if he dosen't play! If all went well and we did get a 5th and a 3rd that would be nice but if Burnell gets hurt we could pay a big cost in 06![/QUOTE]
All of the 'what if Brunell gets hurt' rhetoric assumes Ramsey plays well when he gets in. What happens if he stays, Brunell gets hurt and Ramsey craps the bed? Then he leaves after next season and we get absoultely nothing.. Something is better than nothing..

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[QUOTE=Paintrain]All of the 'what if Brunell gets hurt' rhetoric assumes Ramsey plays well when he gets in. What happens if he stays, Brunell gets hurt and Ramsey craps the bed? Then he leaves after next season and we get absoultely nothing.. Something is better than nothing..[/QUOTE]

I here what you are saying but Ramsey most likey WOULD have a better shot at coming in and getting the job done then Campbell. Why because he [Ramsey] has played in the NFL and Campbell has not taken a snap!!! What you try to do is have a back up plan if a top player goes down and Gibbs has always had that guy at QB. Two deep is his way at QB. So I am not saying not trade Ramsey but maybe we need to look for a vet for that 3rd QB spot or maybe live with not getting anything for Ramsey to be safe. The way you are thinking is not smart. I know Ramsey is no sure thing but I would bet he has a better chance of doing well then a QB that has never played a down in the NFL. You don't wanted to be next years Jets!!!

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete]I here what you are saying but Ramsey most likey WOULD have a better shot at coming in and getting the job done then Campbell. Why because he [Ramsey] has played in the NFL and Campbell has not taken a snap!!! What you try to do is have a back up plan if a top player goes down and Gibbs has always had that guy at QB. Two deep is his way at QB. So I am not saying not trade Ramsey but maybe we need to look for a vet for that 3rd QB spot or maybe live with not getting anything for Ramsey to be safe. The way you are thinking is not smart. I know Ramsey is no sure thing but I would bet he has a better chance of doing well then a QB that has never played a down in the NFL. You don't wanted to be next years Jets!!![/QUOTE]


The get rid of Ramsey party is fueled by the assumption that Brunell is some how going to get better, that his arm is going to become stronger, all the while playing under Saunders who will ask him to sit in the pocket and take a hit to allow WR to break open, ain't happening! Or they put all the eggs in 1 basket in Campbell and assume because he can throw an accurate ball in practice that he will step right in and start picking apart NFL defenses, DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH!

So in short if we are going to compete for a SB this season Brunell will have to do it all year, yea pretty funny, or we bag the season and allow Campbell to learn? Or we keep Ramsey who right now probably has the most going for him to actually push us to a contenders status.

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Let Patrick play where he wants to play. He's a good QB, not great, but good, and he has more of a chance starting as a Jet than a Redskin. Two draft picks is fine.

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[QUOTE=RiggoRules]The haunting part about Ramsey's upcoming departure is the success of departed Skins QBs.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree. I'll be super pissed if Ramsey shows up on game day and ends up with career stats :frusty:

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]How many heads do you think that just went over?[/QUOTE]

It's like a fricking Quentin Tarentino movie! All of these threads intertwine into one nasty gunfight at the end. It's hard keeping up, but I got that one!

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Interesting to see what they're saying over on jetnation.com about all this:

[url=http://www.jetnation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14898]Ramsey on his way to the Jets[/url]

[url=http://www.jetnation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14920]Skins fans are upset about Ramsey leaving[/url]

[url=http://www.jetnation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14922]Patrick Ramsey is a HORRIBLE choice![/url]

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Watchout If Pennington Goes Down Ramsey Will Have Some Kind Of Breakout Year And We'll Once Again Live In Regret Of Letting A Qb Go. Also See.......rich Gannon, Trent Green

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[QUOTE=offiss]The get rid of Ramsey party is fueled by the assumption that Brunell is some how going to get better, that his arm is going to become stronger, all the while playing under Saunders who will ask him to sit in the pocket and take a hit to allow WR to break open, ain't happening! Or they put all the eggs in 1 basket in Campbell and assume because he can throw an accurate ball in practice that he will step right in and start picking apart NFL defenses, DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH!

So in short if we are going to compete for a SB this season Brunell will have to do it all year, yea pretty funny, or we bag the season and allow Campbell to learn? Or we keep Ramsey who right now probably has the most going for him to actually push us to a contenders status.[/QUOTE]

That is why he should stay unless someone comes up with a great deal or we get a vet back up!

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Gibbs knows QB's.

Trust the man.

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Thats True.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Gibbs knows QB's.

Trust the man.[/QUOTE]

What are you saying? That he trust Burnell and Campbell and not Ramsey? I do trust him[Gibbs]!! That is why I just don't think we will go in to the 06 season with Burnell and Campbell as our only QB's. If it isn't Ramsey it will be a Vet brought in! To much at stake to leave it up to a QB that never played a down in the NFL if Burnell is hurt!!!!!

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete]What are you saying? That he trust Burnell and Campbell and not Ramsey? I do trust him[Gibbs]!! That is why I just don't think we will go in to the 06 season with Burnell and Campbell as our only QB's. If it isn't Ramsey it will be a Vet brought in! To much at stake to leave it up to a QB that never played a down in the NFL if Burnell is hurt!!!!![/QUOTE]

I think I read on NFL.com that they might sign Todd Collins as early as tomorrow. Personally, I don't think that's the best choice. But he is familiar with Al Saunders' system. Then again, Wuerffel and Shane Matthews were intimately familiar with Spurrier's system.

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete]What are you saying? That he trust Burnell and Campbell and not Ramsey? I do trust him[Gibbs]!! That is why I just don't think we will go in to the 06 season with Burnell and Campbell as our only QB's. If it isn't Ramsey it will be a Vet brought in! To much at stake to leave it up to a QB that never played a down in the NFL if Burnell is hurt!!!!![/QUOTE]

I'm very sure we will pick up a veteran QB as a safety net. Gibbs loves depth especially at the QB position.

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I'm Hearing Todd Collins From Kc Due To His Connection With Al Saunders. In My Eyes That Isn't Much Of A Vet. But What Vet Is Gonna Come In Here And Willingly Know That They Are Number 3 On The Depth Chart. The Pool Isn't That Big In This Area

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I think I read on NFL.com that they might sign Todd Collins as early as tomorrow. Personally, I don't think that's the best choice. But he is familiar with Al Saunders' system. Then again, Wuerffel and Shane Matthews were intimately familiar with Spurrier's system.[/QUOTE]

Collins seems like the very logical choice. He knows the system and he can help Brunell and Campbell along in the transition to Saunders' offense.

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Sorry Takfas I Didn't Read Your Post. I Said Just About The Same Thing You Said. Once Again My Bad.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I think I read on NFL.com that they might sign Todd Collins as early as tomorrow. Personally, I don't think that's the best choice. But he is familiar with Al Saunders' system. Then again, Wuerffel and Shane Matthews were intimately familiar with Spurrier's system.[/QUOTE]

I think Collins is much better then Matthews and and Wuerffel. Damn what were we thinking when we got Spurrier??? :vomit: :vomit: :vomit: :vomit: :vomit: :vomit: :vomit: :vomit: :vomit: A very bad dream!!!! :smashfrea :smashfrea :smashfrea :smashfrea