Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

Just for the people who are wanting a big WR, please remember that we have a play that is seemingly unstoppable to Cooley and Sellers. Basically when we're within 10 yards of the goalline, it's over for the other team.

You really only need that big WR for the jump balls, and if you can run right by them, you don't need a lot of height.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

My exgirlfriend told me that size didn't matter.... :(

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Just for the people who are wanting a big WR, please remember that we have a play that is seemingly unstoppable to Cooley and Sellers. Basically when we're within 10 yards of the goalline, it's over for the other team.

You really only need that big WR for the jump balls, and if you can run right by them, you don't need a lot of height.[/QUOTE]

Just as a counter point - While its true Cooley and Sellers are excellent red-zone targets, a big receiver would add one more dimension down there (jump balls particularly to the deep corners) stretching the defenses even further.

Personally, I just want a GOOD receiver - big or small. Specifically: Good Speed, good hands, good concentration who runs good routes.

For a truly good receiver (and like I tell my wife all the time) SIZE DOESN'T MATTER!

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

Per ESPN, Bruce is off the market...will rejoin RAMS.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

You are correct. I just feel as though we shouldn't limit ourselves to thinking we ONLY need a BIG guy. I tell my fiancee that all the time that size doesn't matter. It only mattered in that damn ring!

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

No Way....Lets go Joe J., we can sign him for less money and he can go over the middle and take tons of pressure of Santana Moss

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

If we could pry him from the Hawks, I'd love to have him.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

Lloyd is good and young and could command a smaller contract than some of the other unrestricted free agents. We really need to know what compensation Washigton would have to give San fran in order to judge this move. I would not give a 1st or 2nd round pick for Lloyd, but would be interested for something less than that.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

But that's the whole reason they tendered his offer, so people DO have to give up a decent amount for him.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

he I'd take that bet in Lloyd he is a great reciever

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

I've been preaching about Llyod all year. I knew it would be just amount of time before the team caught up to my predictions. We have his 85# jersey already printed and the contract offer ready, just prepare yourself for the press conference next week. Now lets get a pass-rusher and the Superbowl is ours.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

They probably don't want to lose him to begin with and are scaring off teams with the 1st round tender. They are kidding if they actually think he's worth a #1...they know they will need to agree to less if it comes to him actually leaving. The 1st round tender is to keep other teams away so that they can negotiate a nice below market contract.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

True, but they assuming someone will bite on that bluff. I just hope we aren't the one to do so. :(

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

The skins don't even have the #1 to bite with...so hopefully that's enough to deter them. Basically Restricted free agency is not free agency at all. All the team needs to do is tender the guy above his worth and that's the end of it. They can tell every team that they are not negotiating and the #1 round pick price tag is final. That would be the end of it and Lloyd is forced to accept the 49ers offer or hold out.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

Ohhh, I thought the #1 price tag was what you had to give up to be a RFA. Maybe I'm thinking of franchise players.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

Brandon Lloyd video. This guy loves the one handed catch.

[url="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6920312372504230735&q=brandon+lloyd"]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6920312372504230735&q=brandon+lloyd[/url]

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

Not sure what you mean. I believe when a player is a restricted free agent his current team tenders him an offer. The level of the offer they give him has a corresponding draft pick value. The 49ers really don't want ot lose Lloyd so they gave him a 1st round tender. What that means is that Lloyd is free to sign with any team, but if he does sign the 49ers would have the right to match the offer...should they choose not to then the team that signed Lloyd will have to give the 49ers a 1st round pick. Typically what happens is that the teams get together and agree on a more fair form of compensation if it becomes clear that the player will be moving on.

The Redskins signed Coles as a restricted FA a few years ago and had to give NY a 1st round pick when NY decided not to match the Redskins contract offer.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

all the names discussed look good to me. i'll take the best bargain.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

llyod makes a circus catch and than drops easy stuff, he's another 50/50 (though he has better ups).

I rather go after nate or K Curtis is we're chasing RFAs (both 3rd round pick reqs) than betting the bank on lloyd. you'd be giving up a drafted starter with any of the 3 though, so i rather just get someone else. lloyd isn't good enough to merit that much.

I would have liked ike, but at 5mill per, that's really expensive.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=Monksdown]Brandon Lloyd video. This guy loves the one handed catch.

[url="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6920312372504230735&q=brandon+lloyd"]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6920312372504230735&q=brandon+lloyd[/url][/QUOTE]

this video proves why we shouldn't get him. he had so many highlight catches they had to repeat them 2, 3, and 4 times within one two minute video.

where's the complementary video of all his drops?

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

Burleson requires only a 3rd rounder and big contract? That would be tempting he had a down year last year but that could have been attributable to a lot of different factors beyond his control (No true no. 1, Daunte sucking butt, switching coordinators, etc.).

Are you sure NB was only tendered at the 3rd level? I could have sworn that I read he got a first round tender.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

Can you imagine the nightmare they would cause with both Moss, Patten and Lloyd as the recievers. Portis as the back in a Saunders system. thats a spicy meatball!

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=That Guy]

I rather go after nate or K Curtis is we're chasing RFAs (both 3rd round pick reqs) than betting the bank on lloyd. you'd be giving up a drafted starter with any of the 3 though, so i rather just get someone else. lloyd isn't good enough to merit that much.

I would have liked ike, but at 5mill per, that's really expensive.[/QUOTE]

I have to agree, Kevin Curtis over Lloyd. I think we'd get him at a better price and I like his upside better.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

If Lloyd had his best year with 47 receptions, 789 yds and 5 TD's with weak calibre of talent in San Francisco, he would double that in Washington. If Brunell starts, Llyod would be the target on third down and the redzone. I agree, he has been inconsistent at times, but what great WR hasn't?

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

Curtis > Lloyd any day of the week. The Rams would be crazy to let him get away though. Good lord, if we had Santana and Curtis, that's a crazy fast receiving corps.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

man im getting all excited... FA is about 10 hours away!

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=SUNRA]If Lloyd had his best year with 47 receptions, 789 yds and 5 TD's with weak calibre of talent in San Francisco, he would double that in Washington. If Brunell starts, Llyod would be the target on third down and the redzone. I agree, he has been inconsistent at times, but what great WR hasn't?[/QUOTE]

his production isn't terrible, but his cost of aquisition is. just cause he did well with crap talent around doesn't gaurantee he'll do better here though.

fujita and holdman went from bad teams to good ones and ended up sucking hard and becoming part time players. Though i'd have to agree that 700+ yards from alex smith is a miracle in and of itself.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

hahah what is it about top 3 QBs that end up sucking ass

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

Ii can get excited about Lloyd and Witherspoon.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin]Burleson requires only a 3rd rounder and big contract? That would be tempting he had a down year last year but that could have been attributable to a lot of different factors beyond his control (No true no. 1, Daunte sucking butt, switching coordinators, etc.).

Are you sure NB was only tendered at the 3rd level? I could have sworn that I read he got a first round tender.[/QUOTE]
Here's the report from the Minneapolis Star Tribune 3/2:

"The Vikings placed the lowest possible qualifying offer on restricted free agent [b]Nate Burleson[/b] on Thursday, giving the receiver a tender that is worth $712,000 and would result in the team getting a draft pick equal to the round in which Burleson was selected (third) if he goes elsewhere."

Everyone (including Nate and his agent) expected the Vikings to tender a bigger qualifying offer. I see the offer as a sign of weakness. They may have cap dollars to burn, but that doesn't mean they want to spend it. Throw some money at him and see if the Vikings match the offer. Remember, Koren Robinson is also an unrestricted free agent for them and if the Vikings want to keep him, they'll have to pony up some serious change. They also have Troy Williamson under contract and I think Marcus Robinson is still around. They might consider Nate to be an expendable if they can't sign him to a lowball deal.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=That Guy]this video proves why we shouldn't get him. he had so many highlight catches they had to repeat them 2, 3, and 4 times within one two minute video.

where's the complementary video of all his drops?[/QUOTE]

Hey "that guy" who was the QB in that video? I gurantee it wasnt YOUNG or MONTANA, stop hatin. This guy is talented, if we land him ill go flippin nuts

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

John Clayton's take on targeting restricted free agents this year, including Brandon Lloyd, Kevin Curtis and Nate Burleson:

[b]8. Restricted area:[/b] The restricted market should be dead. With a number of teams entering free agency with more than $10 million of cap room, what team is going to be crazy enough to waste seven days to sign a restricted free agent if it thinks the other team is going to match? Teams normally stay away from the dozen or so restricted free agents with first-round tenders. This year, it's probably a waste of time to give a tender to a restricted free agent for low draft choice compensation. The teams that have the seven days to match will just thank the other teams for tendering a long-term deal and eat up some of their own cap room. Still, a few names such as kicker [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6558"][color=#000000]Josh Brown[/color][/url] of the Seahawks, [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6407"][color=#666666]Nate Burleson[/color][/url] of the Vikings and [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6418"][color=#000000]Ricky Manning Jr.[/color][/url] of the Panthers might draw interest.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

This is been talked about on the radio out here on the left coast. But many didn't think if could be done with washington not having a 1st round pick. There talk a trade could get done with picks and maybe a player. Also another team may get into this as in a three way trade. I was wondering if the Jets,49ers and Redskins could be cooking something up? These kind of trades happen in a blue moon in the NFL. I just don't wanted us to give away the farm and trade high 07 picks!

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=dirthogs311]Hey "that guy" who was the QB in that video? I gurantee it wasnt YOUNG or MONTANA, stop hatin. This guy is talented, if we land him ill go flippin nuts[/QUOTE]
i think that video was old anyway, like from 2004

notice alex smith wasnt throwing any on those passes (i dont think)

and i saw a lot of highlights from 2005 that werent on there

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=dirthogs311]Hey "that guy" who was the QB in that video? I gurantee it wasnt YOUNG or MONTANA, stop hatin. This guy is talented, if we land him ill go flippin nuts[/QUOTE]

he's not worth what would have to be given up to get him. if he were a UFA i wouldn't care as much, but when you have to trade players and draft picks (which could easily get us 1-2 starters) for one player who is in no way a sure-shot... well, that's a really bad business decision. Especially when UFAs and less intensive RFAs with equal talent exist.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

From the Sporting News
2006 scouting report
Strengths: Has good quickness and acceleration. Uses his long arms and great leaping ability to win jump balls and make spectacular catches. Has soft hands and can catch balls away from his body. Has good technique getting off press coverage and is adept at finding holes in zone coverage.

Weaknesses: Lacks the strength to be a physical blocker and gets knocked around by physical defensive backs. Doesn’t get quality separation on deep routes and will occasionally drop easy catches.

Bottom line: Lloyd must improve his strength and show a more competitive attitude to take his play to the next level, but he should have a good career if he works hard.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

Sign him, but not for too much money.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=Bozzy]Sign him, but not for too much money.[/QUOTE]

we don't have a 1st round pick, so you'd be fine giving up a 2 a 3 and a player that the 49ers want for him?

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

I think Lloyd would be great but I can't see the 49ers letting him get away. They are not exactly rolling in offensive talent out there. My thinking has shifted in the direction of making a utility O-Lineman our top FA priority.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

I don't know all that much about Lloyd, but I hear he is a bit of a prima donna who doesn't have the best work ethic. Tim Ryan was talking about him on Sirius this week and described how he asked Llyod during an interview about his film study habits. He said Llyod responded by saying that he doesn't watch much tape because all he has to do is go out and burn a guy a couple of times and the CB will just get scared. I'm not sure what planet he is living on, but I don't think that sort of work ethic will get you too far in the NFL where everyone runs a 4.3 . . . it sure hasn't gotten Llyod too far thus far in his career beyond inconsistent play. Think you'd ever hear Jerry Rice or Art Monk say something like that?