Re: Ryan Clark
 

[QUOTE=jermus22]Nothing against Arch but I don't understand all this talk about a "core group of guys" and then letting Clark go. :madani:[/QUOTE]

Who said that Clark was deemed a "core redskin"? My understanding is that the Skins have determined the 15 guys they feel like they need to keep together to keep continuity. I don't think that Clark could possibly be in that group of 15. I like him, but he isn't M. Washington, or Griff, or Jansen...

Re: Ryan Clark
 

15 guys don't make a team they don't need to be a MWash or CGrif or JJan to be a big part of the team.

Re: Ryan Clark
 

I don't recall Gibbs, Williams, Snyder, Cerrato, or anyone else within the organization stating that the term "core redskins" is restricted to only 15 players on the team. When anyone can find anything supporting that theory, let me know.
As for what Clark wanted, he made it clear in the article mentioned earlier that he wanted to start. And I think he deserves that opportunity considering that he had to beat out Bowen, Stoutmire, Prioleau, and Andre Lott (a year ago) to get his role with the team. It's not like he was a liability or weakness in our secondary.
Someone mentioned that we don't know what his teammates think of him. Well, I do know that Gregg Williams has praised him on several occasions, and both Marcus Washington and Mike Sellers have also had good things to say about him.
I suggest that SOME of you do a little research on Clark before suggesting that he may not be liked by his teammates or that he hasn't stated what he wants. The articles over the past year from the Washington Post have made it abundantly clear where he stands.
:duel:

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[QUOTE=mcalderone10]15 guys don't make a team they don't need to be a MWash or CGrif or JJan to be a big part of the team.[/QUOTE]

I'm totally with you, man. A core guy doesn't have to be a huge star. Monte Coleman was a classic example of that, especially in the 'Skins '91-92 super bowl run when he served as a backup used in nickel situations and on special teams.

Re: Ryan Clark
 

I just heard straight from Cerato's mouth that there is a standing offer on the table for Ryan Clark. I don't know what the numbers are, but it sounds like the Skins want him back.

Re: Ryan Clark
 

I have not read the entire thread, but this whole Ryan Clark issue is a good problem to have....better than not having a good safety.

Re: Ryan Clark
 

[QUOTE=cpayne5]I just heard straight from Cerato's mouth that there is a standing offer on the table for Ryan Clark. I don't know what the numbers are, but it sounds like the Skins want him back.[/QUOTE]

standing offer on the table makes it sound like they want him back?? signing arch sounds even more like they don't

Re: Ryan Clark
 

[QUOTE=mcalderone10]standing offer on the table makes it sound like they want him back?? signing arch sounds even more like they don't[/QUOTE]
If they didn't want him back, they would not have extended the offer.

Re: Ryan Clark
 

i don't think clark wants to come back. he will be a back up again and he doesn't want that.

Re: Ryan Clark
 

exactly. which is why i wish him well. thats what we do know is that he doesnt want to back someone up. i dont think the money is important to him according to what hes said in the past.

even though now hes all like "i want to make sure my family is taken care of" oh well. liked him while he was here.

Re: Ryan Clark
 

While everyone seems confident that Sean Taylor will be just fine with this looming legal battle, I'm still a little nervous.

If he's wearing bright orange in '06, I'd sure rather have Archuletta and Clark as opposed to Archuletta and ?

But then again, if Clark thinks he's worth a huge contract now, and there's a team out there who's willing to spend that and give him a free pass to a starting position, then more power to him.

Re: Ryan Clark
 

really, i think hes saying that he just wants to start. i remember a quote a few weeks ago where he said "ive already made more money than i could ever want"

Re: Ryan Clark
 

[QUOTE=jermus22]I don't recall Gibbs, Williams, Snyder, Cerrato, or anyone else within the organization stating that the term "core redskins" is restricted to only 15 players on the team. When anyone can find anything supporting that theory, let me know.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=15042[/url]

"Head coach Joe Gibbs said he had identified his "core group" of 15 players that the team has built its foundation around. He hopes to keep that core group together for the long term."

Re: Ryan Clark
 

[QUOTE=TAFKAS][url="http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=15042"]http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=15042[/url]

"Head coach Joe Gibbs said he had identified his "core group" of 15 players that the team has built its foundation around. He hopes to keep that core group together for the long term."[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the backup TAFKAS!

Re: Ryan Clark
 

clark WAS a liability in coverage and against big running backs (getting bowled over). arch is also a liability in coverage.

they offered clark a contract, they obviously think he's a good guy to have, BUT if you don't have a 5-7 year deal, you might not be a core redskin ;)

the team would like him back, but they can't offer him the starting role, so he's going to look elsewhere.

Re: Ryan Clark
 

Who Said Ryan Clark Was A Core Guy?

Re: Ryan Clark
 

I would rather have Stoutmire than Clark. I know that Clark did his job well last year but you guys are forgetting that having someone like Taylor is going to make Clark better.

Give Archuletta a chance. They are building one of the best secondaries in the league.

I don't want to hear from all of the diehard Clark fans when Archuletta is lighting people up and running back TDs.

Don't forget Clark had a clear shot on LT and was humiliated. Do you think the Grim Reaper or Archuletta would have been run over? Don't think so.

Re: Ryan Clark
 

I like to see Clark back because if Adam goes down then what?

Re: Ryan Clark
 

[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]I would rather have Stoutmire than Clark. I know that Clark did his job well last year but you guys are forgetting that having someone like Taylor is going to make Clark better.

Give Archuletta a chance. They are building one of the best secondaries in the league.

I don't want to hear from all of the diehard Clark fans when Archuletta is lighting people up and running back TDs.

Don't forget Clark had a clear shot on LT and was humiliated. Do you think the Grim Reaper or Archuletta would have been run over? Don't think so.[/QUOTE]

I want Omar back as well.

Re: Ryan Clark
 

Steelers | Team to visit with R. Clark
Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:50:39 -0800

Joe Bendel, of the Tribune-Review, reports free agent S Ryan Clark (Redskins) will visit with the Pittsburgh Steelers Tuesday, March 14.

Re: Ryan Clark
 

[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]I like to see Clark back because if Adam goes down then what?[/QUOTE]

What do you mean if Adam goes down what about Taylor! He may never get to the field!!!

Re: Ryan Clark
 

prioleu

Re: Ryan Clark
 

Maybe we think of Clark as a tweener CB/Saftey? Maybe he is our 3rd CB option.

Re: Ryan Clark
 

[QUOTE=drew54]Maybe we think of Clark as a tweener CB/Saftey? Maybe he is our 3rd CB option.[/QUOTE]

Yes!! play him at nickel
I'm sure GW has evaluated his man/man cover skills enough to know if he's up to it

Re: Ryan Clark
 

I would love to have Clark back at the right price and in the right place. BUT - He seems to want to be a starter and feels he earned some love from the team. B/c he worked hard and really bought into the team concept, I can see how he may feel betrayed.

But, just b/c I think I understand his feelings of betrayal, doesn't mean I agree with them.

The term "core Redskins" apparently gets thrown around a lot by Gibbs. He probably uses it to talk about putting team first, etc. Fair enough.

What I bet is included in the description but what Clark and some others may not hear is that the Skins will always try to improve themselves and that, when a player who can help comes along, we will make the effort to get him. In those cases, we won't throw "core 'Skins" to the curb BUT we aren't going to pass up the opportunity to improve and, even for "core Skins", we are not going to pay you more than we believe your worth. We will make a fair offer (a la' Smoot, Pierce) - but we have a plan. We would like to include you in it but not necessarily at the price your asking.

I doubt Clark can get big bucks from anyone, maybe moderate ones along with a starter's role somewhere. If so, then he has his own choices to make. I like him, I hope he stays, but he is not someone for whom we should break the bank.

Bottom line, he is probably overvaluing himself as a player and as a component on the Skins.

Re: Ryan Clark
 

[QUOTE=TAFKAS][url]http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=15042[/url]

"Head coach Joe Gibbs said he had identified his "core group" of 15 players that the team has built its foundation around. He hopes to keep that core group together for the long term."[/QUOTE]


My bad, Go Skins. You were right. Thanks for setting me straight on that, Tafkas.
:embarrass

Re: Ryan Clark
 

Yeah, I like Clark a lot, but I don't see him as a "core Redskin."

Re: Ryan Clark
 

I really like Ryan Clark too. I honestly don't know how much of an upgrade Archuleta is over him, however, I'm willing to wait and see what Williams does with Archuleta. I personally hope that if Ryan Clark can't start here he goes and finds a team where he can be the starter. I think going to Pitt would be great for him.

Re: Ryan Clark
 

I think Clark is probably better in coverage than Arch, but he's not as good against the run (anyone remember how LT just plowed over him). Arch is bigger, stronger, and also a better blitzer.

I wish we could keep Clark for depth though. I'd feel much more comfortable having him here if ST goes to prison.

Re: Ryan Clark
 

clark would still play a lot...we rotate a lot of players in. remember how much prioleu played? and later stoutmire?

Re: Ryan Clark
 

[QUOTE=TAFKAS][url="http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=15042"]http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=15042[/url]

"Head coach Joe Gibbs said he had identified his "core group" of 15 players that the team has built its foundation around. He hopes to keep that core group together for the long term."[/QUOTE]That was not a quote from gibbs it was a quote from the writer. The asterisks where added here not in the article.

This is the quote from Gibbs.



"I told them that with the core group that we have here, our goal now would be to try to keep everybody together. That is my job and I started early this morning."

I think maybe the writer came up with the core of 15 and not Gibbs. If you think about it why would a coach name out 15 players making the others feel like outsiders who could be gone at anytime.

JERMUS22 don't give in until you read it for yourself.

Re: Ryan Clark
 

Ryan Clark signed with the Steelers per the washington post.


[quote]
former Redskins starting safety Ryan Clark agreed to a four-year contract with Pittsburgh, according to his agent, Joel Turner.

Clark's first visit was with Pittsburgh yesterday -- he was the first free agent entertained by the Super Bowl champion Steelers as well -- and final details of the contract were settled around 2:30 this afternoon. Clark came to Washington in 2004 after being cut by the New York Giants and was not expected to make the team but ended up getting a starting spot. The Redskins signed free agent Adam Archuleta to the largest contract in NFL history for a safety Monday, but Gregg Williams, assistant head coach -- defense, was still in contact with Clark as of Monday afternoon, according to Coach Joe Gibbs.

Clark quickly became a favorite among the players for his fearless style and friendly demeanor, and, although undersized for his position, won over fans with his determination as well. Turner said Clark leaves the Redskins with somewhat mixed emotions.

"Ryan's quite happy to be going to the Super Bowl champions," Turner said, "and we're very excited about his future there. But there's also a tinge of sadness, because he's leaving a place he really loved and a team that gave him his first real chance to show what he can do in the NFL.
[/quote]

Re: Ryan Clark
 

[QUOTE=firstdown]That was not a quote from gibbs it was a quote from the writer. The asterisks where added here not in the article.

This is the quote from Gibbs.



"I told them that with the core group that we have here, our goal now would be to try to keep everybody together. That is my job and I started early this morning."

I think maybe the writer came up with the core of 15 and not Gibbs. If you think about it why would a coach name out 15 players making the others feel like outsiders who could be gone at anytime.

JERMUS22 don't give in until you read it for yourself.[/QUOTE]

About 2:25 into his Jan. 16 press conference (available on redskins.com) a reporter says something like "Coach, a couple of years ago you talked about keeping 15 or so core players. Do you feel you've identified those players?" And Gibbs says "Yes, I believe we have"

Anyhow, alls I was trying to do was point out where the original talk of 15 players came from

Re: Ryan Clark
 

son of a bitch

Re: Ryan Clark
 

[QUOTE=TAFKAS]About 2:25 into his Jan. 16 press conference (available on redskins.com) a reporter says something like "Coach, a couple of years ago you talked about keeping 15 or so core players. Do you feel you've identified those players?" And Gibbs says "Yes, I believe we have"

Anyhow, alls I was trying to do was point out where the original talk of 15 players came from[/QUOTE]I know I was just giving you a hard time.

Re: Ryan Clark
 

[QUOTE=firstdown]I know I was just giving you a hard time.[/QUOTE]

Oh I see how it is. You wanna rumble? Let me warn you, I'm dangerous!

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/aloha3123/dya_stewie.gif[/IMG]

Re: Ryan Clark
 

too bad, I liked Ryan Clark and wish him well in Pittsburgh.

Re: Ryan Clark
 

clark has peaked we saw his best bury him in the front lean and rest!

Re: Ryan Clark
 

I wish him well, part of the game. I would have really liked to keep both him and Royal. While I'm not sure how much of an upgrade Furia was at the TE position, I know Aruchletta is one over Clark at the saftey. Best of luck to him though, maybe we'll see him in the big dance next year.

Re: Ryan Clark
 

still a son of a bitch