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Andre Carter could be a good DE if he is not always doubled. Capable of 10+ sacks. He is just not quick enough for our 3-4.

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that's good to know. 10+ sacks > 0.5 sacks (wynn).

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[QUOTE=That Guy]that's good to know. 10+ sacks > 0.5 sacks (wynn).[/QUOTE]

No you idiot. .5 sacks > 10+ sacks. Wait hold on let me count.....

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Lloyd is definately worth the risk. It sure beats drafting a rookie, who could be a total coin flip.

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[QUOTE=9erman]We have a couple draft picks that have never been given a chance. We just don't feel that Lloyd has the heart and determination that we would like.
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I was a big supporter of Lloyd....up until the drop againt CHI in the redzone that he blamed on the QB.[/QUOTE]

Clearly it is a bad throw, but Llyod should probably be aware of the routes on the play and know he is the only receiver in the area. I think we'll have to say that the jury is out and we will see come training camp/first couple of games. 9erman (and SF press) are not the only ones that I have heard bashing Llyod/questioning his work ethic/consistency. I've also heard his route running leaves something to be desired (i.e. he'll run a dig but forget to dig). I'd say someone needs to smack him around a bit, yank the big gold chains off his neck, and remind him he is a football player and not the next coming of Jay-Z as it seems like a lot of his issues have to do with preparation and mindset rather than skill. Someone needs to bring him back to earth and he needs to devote more time to football rather than chasing a record deal...and please get rid of that website (ouch).

Funny thing is that when I read 9erman's commentary my mind went way back to 1996 rather than last year with Santana. I remember I was on another Skins board at the time and a Rams fan came on and trumpeted a similar warning about Sean Gilbert and everyone jumped down his throat. I'd say we still probably got the better end of that deal (they got Lawrence Phillips at #6, Fairly Glenn went #7, and Cedric something [DE bust] went to the Giants at #8) plus we fleeced the Panthers for two #1 picks (wow!) that turned into Champ Bailey and Lavar Arrington. Point being he was at least right about Gilbert and his horrible attitude. Anyway, I take it as a good sign that my pessimism is back after my initial euforia of last night...probably means Llyod will have 1,400 yards and 10 TDs.

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[QUOTE=9erman]The vanilla defense Nolan ran in DC had a lot to do with the lack of talent and many injuries on your defense. He is a good motivator and will not be calling the plays[/QUOTE]

I've also seen him run the same defense in NY (giants) and Baltimore when both teams had talent. While he is the most talked about DC he is far from the best. His love affair with prevent defenses is sickening and lack of agressiveness has cost his teams many a game.

Furthermore, on the subject of Norv, I couldn't agree more. He is a horrible HC. Can't motivate, is too soft on the players, and can't seem to garner their respect because he's too busy trying to be everyone's best friend. As an OC, he is an incredible offensive mind. Give him a top flite running back, tight end, and QB and he'll put together a solid offense for you.

We'll see what happens with Lloyd. There's lots of nay-sayers out there, no doubt, but then again everyone said that trading Moss for Coles would be a bust. Well it was for the Jets at least. We got a pro-bowl receiver out of the deal and the Jets got a Toe-bowl receiver. We're giving up a 3rd RD and 4th RD (don't listen to what the Post says, 90% of the time they make up stories on the laptop as they go along and call it news) so I feel it's pretty even in terms of value. We'll see if he's got the stuff to be the #2. I think there's going to be some heated competition for that position in SC and he'll be one of the contenders.

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[QUOTE=LongTimeSkinsFan]I've also seen him run the same defense in NY (giants) and Baltimore when both teams had talent. While he is the most talked about DC he is far from the best. His love affair with prevent defenses is sickening and lack of agressiveness has cost his teams many a game.

Furthermore, on the subject of Norv, I couldn't agree more. He is a horrible HC. Can't motivate, is too soft on the players, and can't seem to garner their respect because he's too busy trying to be everyone's best friend. As an OC, he is an incredible offensive mind. Give him a top flite running back, tight end, and QB and he'll put together a solid offense for you.

We'll see what happens with Lloyd. There's lots of nay-sayers out there, no doubt, but then again everyone said that trading Moss for Coles would be a bust. Well it was for the Jets at least. We got a pro-bowl receiver out of the deal and the Jets got a Toe-bowl receiver. We're giving up a 3rd RD and 4th RD (don't listen to what the Post says, 90% of the time they make up stories on the laptop as they go along and call it news) so I feel it's pretty even in terms of value. We'll see if he's got the stuff to be the #2. I think there's going to be some heated competition for that position in SC and he'll be one of the contenders.[/QUOTE]

Good post....I think that we come out great here by picking up draft picks and replacing Lloyd through FA. I wish y'all the best of luck with both Lloyd and Carter and I hope they do well for you.
BEAT THE COWBOYS!!!!!!

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They not only have Norv, they also have Vanilla Ice Cream Man. Remember all the stuff he spewed last year about our team when he was hired. Guess the butt whipping didn't teach him a lesson. I would say good luck to the 9er fan but really I hope they go 0-16. For criss sake it is Norv and Nolan.

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[QUOTE=CRT3]They not only have Norv, they also have Vanilla Ice Cream Man. Remember all the stuff he spewed last year about our team when he was hired. Guess the butt whipping didn't teach him a lesson. I would say good luck to the 9er fan but really I hope they go 0-16. For criss sake it is Norv and Nolan.[/QUOTE]

Wow.....I thought Dallas fans were classless.

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[QUOTE=9erman]Good post....I think that we come out great here by picking up draft picks and replacing Lloyd through FA. I wish y'all the best of luck with both Lloyd and Carter and I hope they do well for you.
BEAT THE COWBOYS!!!!!![/QUOTE]

You know, 9erman, you have been spending quite a bit of time over here lately. Isn't this really a cry for help? Aren't you really saying that you have experienced too much pain rooting for the 49ers as of late and are looking for a soft place to land? We understand. We'll welcome you over to the Burgandy and Gold with open arms.

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[QUOTE=RiggoRules]You know, 9erman, you have been spending quite a bit of time over here lately. Isn't this really a cry for help? Aren't you really saying that you have experienced too much pain rooting for the 49ers as of late and are looking for a soft place to land? We understand. We'll welcome you over to the Burgandy and Gold with open arms.[/QUOTE]
There is a poster on our sites called DesperateJetsFan. He does the same as me.....just needs another source of conversation.
P.S. I will die a 9er fan :)

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I really don't know how you can say that lloyd isn't a down field reciever because it looks to me that he can be. Anyway, lloyd will be a third reciever, second at best so I don't think that we need him to have the weight of the recieving core on his shoulders like he did in san fran.

David Patten will be back from injuries and he can catch balls anywhere on the field. Lloyd's speed and quickness will give us options in the passing game that teams have to respect and that will open up the field for everyone else.

For a third and fourth round pick that is a bargain. Considering that our last reciever pick was Taylor Jacobs in the second round I am more than happy picking up a free agent than an unknown third round rookie.

Good luck with the picks niner but I think we got the best of this deal.

"I know we don't have any Dallas people here -- they are the ugliest people in the world."
- Joe Gibbs

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[QUOTE=9erman]Wow.....I thought Dallas fans were classless.[/QUOTE]

It's nothing against the 49ers. Hell, if Nove and Nolan were coaching any other team people here would still be cheering against them. They conger up bad memories in the same manner remembering that time when you woke up next to [insert phrase] after being drunk the night before would.

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Coach Gibbs and crew will straighten his attitude out and he knows how to get that pigskin.

We'll be fine, thanks for your concern 9erman.

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I'm not sold on Lloyd, I hope I'm wrong.

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[QUOTE=81forHOF]I'm not sold on Lloyd, I hope I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]

Don't worry you probably are

;)

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I have to wonder what it will be like to be moved to another team, on another coast, to back up a receiver like Moss? I think that I can understand how Lloyd might not be focused when the team is losing all the time. Guys like that tend to do better (mentally) when they are around veteren players than they do around a young group like the 49ers have now. Let's see what people say about his work ethic come off season workouts...

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[QUOTE=hooskins]Lloyd is definately worth the risk. It sure beats drafting a rookie, who could be a total coin flip.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Especially with the lack of picks we have now.

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[QUOTE=LongTimeSkinsFan]
We'll see what happens with Lloyd. There's lots of nay-sayers out there, no doubt, but then again everyone said that trading Moss for Coles would be a bust. Well it was for the Jets at least. We got a pro-bowl receiver out of the deal and the Jets got a Toe-bowl receiver. We're giving up a 3rd RD and 4th RD (don't listen to what the Post says, 90% of the time they make up stories on the laptop as they go along and call it news) so I feel it's pretty even in terms of value. We'll see if he's got the stuff to be the #2. I think there's going to be some heated competition for that position in SC and he'll be one of the contenders.[/QUOTE]


none of the nay sayers said anything bad about moss's attitude (quite the oppossite), just that they thought cole was better (the jets fans didn't know we gave him back with only 8 fingers and 9 toes), and santana went out of bounds too often (which he didn't here, but we never threw between the numbers either) and that he had yearly hamstring issues (which we avoided).

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[QUOTE=9erman]Wow.....I thought Dallas fans were classless.[/QUOTE]

you telling us about problems your team had with our new player, we're telling you about problems our team had with BOTH of your coaches.

Norv was here a long time and he's well known for winning with a dallas team with crazy amounts of talent. As a head coach he's ALWAYS had a habit of figuring out how to blow leads and lose games though. He has NO leadership skills and that's why he's a terrible head coach. as far as running an offense, he seems to be alright.

Nolan didn't ddo much as a DC here, but snyder was probably still too involved
in football decisions and too reactionary at that point of his ownership.

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Frankly I have wanted Lloyd since last year...you can check my old posts. I think getting him for a 3rd and 4th is an absolute fleecing! We'll see how he performs with someone at QB who can ACTUALLY get him the ball...all I know is hes staying on my dyansty league team!

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[QUOTE=amorentz]Frankly I have wanted Lloyd since last year...you can check my old posts. I think getting him for a 3rd and 4th is an absolute fleecing! We'll see how he performs with someone at QB who can ACTUALLY get him the ball...all I know is hes staying on my dyansty league team![/QUOTE]

He is going to be a great one!!! There are many 49er fans out here that are upset that he has been moved!

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[QUOTE=skinsgt]I really don't know how you can say that lloyd isn't a down field reciever because it looks to me that he can be. Anyway, lloyd will be a third reciever, second at best so I don't think that we need him to have the weight of the recieving core on his shoulders like he did in san fran.

David Patten will be back from injuries and he can catch balls anywhere on the field. Lloyd's speed and quickness will give us options in the passing game that teams have to respect and that will open up the field for everyone else.[/QUOTE]

Following up on my previous post, there WILL be a competition for the #2 WR in camp. With the signing of Randell-El it looks like we'll have Lloyd, Randell-El, and Patten squaring off against each other. Skillswise I don't see us losing out no matter who wins because the two odd men out will make for some hellacious depth at WR. It's a little premature, but this could be the most potent offense we had since the late 1980s.

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The WR group we now have will be a great one as long as the injury bug stays away. Which one has the best shot of making plays over the middle though.

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[QUOTE=SKINFANFOLIFE]The WR group we now have will be a great one as long as the injury bug stays away. Which one has the best shot of making plays over the middle though.[/QUOTE]

lloyd. the point in being 4 deep is to be prepared in case of injury.

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[QUOTE=SKINFANFOLIFE]The WR group we now have will be a great one as long as the injury bug stays away. Which one has the best shot of making plays over the middle though.[/QUOTE]

I think that's going to be part of the test. We know all three can catch the ball, but the one who steps up between the hash marks will be our #2 guy.

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[QUOTE=LongTimeSkinsFan]I think that's going to be part of the test. We know all three can catch the ball, but the one who steps up between the hash marks will be our #2 guy.[/QUOTE]

Also, who clicks with the QB? I think that chemistry is important so I guess we get to see who has it...

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[QUOTE=SKINFANFOLIFE]The WR group we now have will be a great one as long as the injury bug stays away. Which one has the best shot of making plays over the middle though.[/QUOTE]


Cooley will handle that for us. And Fauria is edept at that as well.

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!]Also, who clicks with the QB? I think that chemistry is important so I guess we get to see who has it...[/QUOTE]

The way I look at it... ask yourself how many teams would like to have any of these guys as a #3 or #4 receiver...

Brandon Lloyd
Antwaan Randle-El
David Patten

I think the possibilities speak for themselves, although I think the Redskins braintrust is probably looking at Lloyd for a #2, Randle-El for a #3 and KR, and Patten as a #4 going into camp, but knowing Gibbs and how he prefers to have open competition for positions I don't think they'll be married to that line-up

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Good for you, good for us. At this point, I trust Al Sanders, Joe Bugel, Gregg Williams, and Joe Gibbs even more than my own opinion. I can honestly say I have been wrong on everything I thought would happen over the last couple years. Most people I know are in the same boat.

Brandon Lloyd doesn't look that great with his old team, but playing for a team fighting for a return to the playoffs does strange things.

Right now, if the skins told me that they were bringing back Michael Westbrook and Heath Shuler and they would usher the team to big game I would believe (well almost)...

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[QUOTE=9erman]We have a couple draft picks that have never been given a chance. We just don't feel that Lloyd has the heart and determination that we would like.

I was a big supporter of Lloyd....up until the drop againt CHI in the redzone that he blamed on the QB.[/QUOTE]

Time will tell. After Santana Moss, nobody around here questions St. Joe's roster moves!!!

Say, I've been meaning to ask a Niner fan what's up wth your team ([b]not[/b] a bash)? How is it that the franchise that gave us the West Coast offense, doesn't have a Bill Walsh protege as head coach? Wouldn't you have been better off with Dennis Green?

Your club's been going downhill since the DeBartolos sold out. (I was going to say since TO left, but that would be too cruel!)

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Don't know if this has been posted, but the Niners have apparently signed Antonio Bryant. Official announcement should be made Monday.

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antonio bryant...why would he go to niners?

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9erman goodluck to you.
Us Redskins fans have seen many things between Gibbs' tenures and none of which yielded playoffs. Wish we could play the niners twice next season. Have fun with Edgerrin James while you watch Nolan and Norv put that team into the ocean. Maybe you guys should get TO back! ahhahahhahahhahahaha.
Can't wait til camp!

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[QUOTE=Big C]antonio bryant...why would he go to niners?[/QUOTE]

money and to be an unquestioned #1.

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Antonio Bryant #1?
Wow.
Maybe they should look at Gardner, Westbrook and Conell.
Niners can't even get HOF'r Montana to represent at the SB!
Mike Nolan.
Probably a good guy, but always stuck in a bad situation.
I say bring TO back to SF!!!