Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

i think they are all smart moves, and I am more optimistic this time since we are keeping our core and our coaching staff intact, more or less. If this were a new coaching staff and the big moves again, i'd be more worried.

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

I have been asking myself all day, "What does David Patten think about all of these new receivers?"

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

Well, I voted 'other', because there's still work to be done in my mind. Though after voting that way, I realized the question did contain the words "so far." My bad.

I'm a little hesitant about Brandon Lloyd. I agree we needed not one, but two upgrades at wide receiver, because I think Thrash and Taylor Jacobs are jokes. But dammit, I'm tired of parting with draft picks. Doesn't anybody else feel like we might have been able to find a wideout on par with Lloyd's abilities without giving up a 3rd and 4th rounder?

Randle El is the real deal, and I'm ecstatic that he's a Redskin. Those that point to his modest career stats have to remember that he comes from a 'run first, run second and throw only when you absolutely have to' type of offense in Pittsburgh. His value in returning punts and kicks will be pivotal, too. Adam Archuletta was also a need, and it's good to see the Skins having an eye for the future when Sean Taylor's legal status is still in question.

Now we need to concentrate on defensive line, corner and O-line depth. I know some of these areas will be addressed on the draft using whatever picks we have left.

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

I love the moves so far and we're not done yet.

A question that keeps coming to me is what does this mean for Patten? He's pretty well paid for a 4th reviever and doesn't play special teams which has been the down fall of others with Gibbs. Gibbs tolerace for guys who run their mouthes is also short. I wouldn't buy a house in DC if I were Patten.

As for Randle el and Lloyd I'd say they might get more touches this coming year than they got last season no matter who is the #2 or #3.

Aa looks like a great addition for this team because of GW system.

The difference between this and 2000 is this time we're bringing in guys who can help this team now and in the future because they're young. Thats wasn't the case in 2000.

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?

Great moves!
Good moves
I'll wait til the season starts to judge
I'm not happy, it's 2000 all over again
Other[/QUOTE]

best off season ever. perhaps by any team ever

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

GREAT MOVE, never will be it the same as 2000, the main difference is Gibbs and his coaching staff, they will make all of this FA talent into one cohesive SB team

Thank you Mr. Snyder

this will be complete if we sign John Abraham

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

[QUOTE=bertoskins]this will be complete if we sign John Abraham[/QUOTE]
no please don't get John Abraham

he'll end up costing us a 2nd round pick and like $8million/year and he's not a good character player

just get carter, then sign a 3rd cb and get o-line depth

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

[QUOTE=skinsgt]I think the players we have could perfom better if there was some consistency around them. If they could learn how to play with each other rather than having to learn how to play with a new player every year we might be able to develop consistent success rather than intermitent success.

We have made good moves but they shouldn't be in lieu of keeping our core players.[/QUOTE]

turnover happens every year. clark was offered a contract, but he wants to start. the core players are all coming back or have offers, and over 40 people from the 2005 team should return.

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

[quote]I'm a little hesitant about Brandon Lloyd. I agree we needed not one, but two upgrades at wide receiver, because I think Thrash and Taylor Jacobs are jokes. But dammit, I'm tired of parting with draft picks. Doesn't anybody else feel like we might have been able to find a wideout on par with Lloyd's abilities without giving up a 3rd and 4th rounder?[/quote]

which 3rd rounder is going to put up 800-1000yards THIS year. immediate impact beyond the 1st round is very hard to find. cooley looks like a 800yard/year TE, but in his first year he only put up 260yards.

WR and DE draftees are notoriously bad at being useful early on.

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

To the skeptics; say what you will about picking up two receivers with question marks but here's a fact to ponder:

Last year, 19 WRs averaged >15 yards a catch (of WRs that had >30 catches). We have three of them now...

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

It seems like everyone is pretty happy. I don't think we should pick up anymore 49ers. Remember they are the worst team. Has anyone heard B Lloyd rap?! O and can we please pick up a new kicker. Hows 6 years 30 mil sound, Adam V.?

Free ST

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

I'm glad someone is listening to me and TAFKAS

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]I'm glad someone is listening to me and TAFKAS[/QUOTE]

Yeah, looks like you were the first person here to ever mention Lloyd, Randle El and Fauria. The trifecta.

Who are we drafting Nostradiehard?

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

After listening to the three new Redskins in their press conferences, I am convinced that this free agency year has already made history for the amount of talent and upside all of these players bring. Andre Carter is only 26 years old and Brandon Lloyd is 24. In fact no player we have signed is over 30 years of age. Which makes this free agency much different than 2000.

Randle El said it best, He came to Washington because of how they approached him and showed him how he fit in this offense. Al Saunders is to be commended for his approach to the offense because very few players would have agreed to accept a subordinate role to Moss after winning being the hottest FA after the Superbowl.

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

[QUOTE=SUNRA]After listening to the three new Redskins in their press conferences, I am convinced that this free agency year has already made history for the amount of talent and upside all of these players bring. Andre Carter is only 26 years old and Brandon Lloyd is 24. In fact no player we have signed is over 30 years of age. Which makes this free agency much different than 2000.

Randle El said it best, He came to Washington because of how they approached him and showed him how he fit in this offense. Al Saunders is to be commended for his approach to the offense because very few players would have agreed to accept a subordinate role to Moss after winning being the hottest FA after the Superbowl.[/QUOTE]

fauria is 34 ;) but TEs don't count, and i agree with bringing in young guys that could easily outperform their contracts instead of 32 year olds who could never live up to them.

R'El came for the money though flat out. I'm sure he liked a lot of things about the skins, but with equal offers, he'd be in chicago. I don't really think you can expect to be a #1 on a team that has the #2 WR in the league if you haven't even put up close to half his stats.

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

[QUOTE=scowan]I have been asking myself all day, "What does David Patten think about all of these new receivers?"[/QUOTE]



He has already asked JG if he's going to play the best man. Competition is always good for everyone.

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]i love these moves... I mentioned that we should target these players before the start of free agency and everyone said I had no concept of the cap situation and we couldn't afford these players. hahahaha who doesn't know what their talking about now?[/QUOTE]

You called Archuleta, Fauria, and Carter? I recall people calling for Lloyd and Randle El, but not those other guys.

But if you did call it, you are a wise one.

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha]You called Archuleta, Fauria, and Carter? I recall people calling for Lloyd and Randle El, but not those other guys.

But if you did call it, you are a wise one.[/QUOTE]

Looking back on old threads here are the first mentions of:

[url=http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=121385&postcount=13]Brandon Lloyd[/url]

[url=http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=143198&postcount=29]Christian Fauria[/url] (he also mentions Archuleta here)

and, shameless self-plug, [url=http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=152483&postcount=6]Andre Carter[/url]

There was a lot of chatter about Randle El

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

It's not often you can go into free agency and get all the players you target, but that's exactly what we did. I'm elated with all the additions because each one fills a need on the team. The safety position had to be a concern because we have to consider ST status at this point. Boy I sure hope he dosen't go to jail because I sure would love to see him and Adam play together at the S positions. Not many would want to cross the middle of the field.

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

Just thinking back on the success Marshall Faulk, Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson have all had playing with Al Saunders and what excites me most about these moves is the damage Clinton Portis is going to do.

I think CP is going to have a monster year in 2006. Dare I say it...MVP

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

I called for fauria, but thought El would be overpriced. I was 2/2 on that. no clue about those others though.

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

[QUOTE=That Guy]I called for fauria, but thought El would be overpriced. I was 2/2 on that. no clue about those others though.[/QUOTE]

True, I think you and diehard were the only ones to even mention Fauria. I think that was a concern a lot of us had about El...we should know by now that "overpriced" isn't in Snyder's vocabulary.

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

I think all the moves are great, we are plugging in the holes, but i also think that we seriously overpaid for randle el and archuleta. Sean Taylor has 17 mil over 7 years, Archuleta has 30 mil over 6 years. Something tells me in a couple seasons or such taylor will be holding out for a new deal. Randle el, while being good at a variety of positions, is not worth 30 mil. And if we don't win the super bowl in say, 4 years, we will be in cap hell. I can only hope that they don't give brandon lloyd 30 mil to be our #2 as well. Andre Carter imo deserved it, he's a proven pass rusher who might be able to make the same impact as griffin. i dunno anything about fauria's deal, but i doubt it's more then 5 mil. I wouldn't put it past this FO though.

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

[QUOTE=mooby]I think all the moves are great, we are plugging in the holes, but i also think that we seriously overpaid for randle el and archuleta. Sean Taylor has 17 mil over 7 years, Archuleta has 30 mil over 6 years. Something tells me in a couple seasons or such taylor will be holding out for a new deal. Randle el, while being good at a variety of positions, is not worth 30 mil. And if we don't win the super bowl in say, 4 years, we will be in cap hell. I can only hope that they don't give brandon lloyd 30 mil to be our #2 as well. Andre Carter imo deserved it, he's a proven pass rusher who might be able to make the same impact as griffin. i dunno anything about fauria's deal, but i doubt it's more then 5 mil. I wouldn't put it past this FO though.[/QUOTE]

when are new tv contracts? that might save our cap hell again... taylor's contract is only 18mill, but it can go up to 40mill (a baseball guy wrote it). pro-bowl = 9million bonus.

the biggest lesson from rogers and taylor should be that rookies are CHEAP and worth taking.

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

its aight da moves are good just im kinda concerned with da spending

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

I think their good moves with a heavy price tag,I would like us to sign Vinateri,fg kickers can win or lose a game for you every week,I think their importance is underated,not having a good fg kicker cost us the playoffs in Norv's tenure and it made a difference last yr in field position

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

i wish we got longwell just cause he's younger. i don't know how much vinetari wants, but its not like tyler jones or a drafted guy would help.

maybe the staff thinks hall's finally healthy and that's why he's still on the roster. The lull in FA signings means we're either waiting for the market to settle, we're good with what we've got, or we're playing with contracts and restructures to make space.

it looks like two OL guys have been targetted already by the skins FO (jeff mitchell and some guy that started some games for the giants last year), which means no spencer, which means once again that guy is sad :(

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

[QUOTE=Beemnseven]Well, I voted 'other', because there's still work to be done in my mind. Though after voting that way, I realized the question did contain the words "so far." My bad.

I'm a little hesitant about Brandon Lloyd. I agree we needed not one, but two upgrades at wide receiver, because I think Thrash and Taylor Jacobs are jokes. But dammit, I'm tired of parting with draft picks. Doesn't anybody else feel like we might have been able to find a wideout on par with Lloyd's abilities without giving up a 3rd and 4th rounder?

Randle El is the real deal, and I'm ecstatic that he's a Redskin. Those that point to his modest career stats have to remember that he comes from a 'run first, run second and throw only when you absolutely have to' type of offense in Pittsburgh. His value in returning punts and kicks will be pivotal, too. Adam Archuletta was also a need, and it's good to see the Skins having an eye for the future when Sean Taylor's legal status is still in question.

Now we need to concentrate on defensive line, corner and O-line depth. I know some of these areas will be addressed on the draft using whatever picks we have left.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. I'm a little concerned that we gave up two draft picks for Lloyd. Thats a little much for a 3rd receiver. We all agree that Thrash isn't a #2. Patten would do well as a #3 (w/ 2 other threats on the field). Thrash would most likely do well as a #3 as well.

I'm no "capoligist" but at some point i think the signing bonuses have to come back to bite us.
10mill Randel El
10mill Arch
10m Carter
Lloyd? Close to 10m?

=40 mill so far

Don't get me wrong i like the talent but i don't want it to come back and bite us 2 years from now. I do trust gibbs & co but in my opinion we didn't need 2 wr's.

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

i really dont think theres going to be a clear-cut #1 receiver. they might have that title, but i have this feeling there will be plays written up for each and every1.

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

[QUOTE=redsk1]Agreed. I'm a little concerned that we gave up two draft picks for Lloyd. Thats a little much for a 3rd receiver. We all agree that Thrash isn't a #2. Patten would do well as a #3 (w/ 2 other threats on the field). Thrash would most likely do well as a #3 as well.

I'm no "capoligist" but at some point i think the signing bonuses have to come back to bite us.
10mill Randel El
10mill Arch
10m Carter
Lloyd? Close to 10m?

=40 mill so far

Don't get me wrong i like the talent but i don't want it to come back and bite us 2 years from now. I do trust gibbs & co but in my opinion we didn't need 2 wr's.[/QUOTE]

lloyd is the #2 possession type, El is the slot guy (he's better there) patten is the key reserve. saunders is probably going to use a base 3wr set instead of a base 2 TE set like last year (or a FB/RB base set), so that's why they want 3 good WRs + a backup.

they all count less than 3mill this year (arch 1mill less than the other 3). later on the cap either needs to continue to expand enough to keep the skins afloat on restructures until new labor or tv contracts kick in, while doing typical house cleaning to tweak the yearly roster.

the 6 and 7 year deals really allow you to get good value if the players do well, cause you're (hopefully) paying a 2006 non-peak production wage for years of peak production in 2007-2010. Drafting is still a MUCH better value though.

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

I like them. Not so sure if there are enough balls though. Portis needs 20 or so carries a game. Moss,Lloyd,Cooley,Randel El,Patten. thats a lot of touches, just hope no one starts bitching.

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

i worried about that too until i read what gibbs had to say. he said something about when he had clark, sanders and monk that one of them was always unhappy, but they knew they would score a lot of points and get a lot of yards.

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

[QUOTE=#56fanatic]I like them. Not so sure if there are enough balls though. Portis needs 20 or so carries a game. Moss,Lloyd,Cooley,Randel El,Patten. thats a lot of touches, just hope no one starts bitching.[/QUOTE]

There probably will be some bitching and moaning at some point, but as long as Gibbs keeps everyone on target for the playoffs, all the receivers should be OK. And odds are that one or two of the receivers will miss a few games with injury.

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

[QUOTE=That Guy]which 3rd rounder is going to put up 800-1000yards THIS year. immediate impact beyond the 1st round is very hard to find. cooley looks like a 800yard/year TE, but in his first year he only put up 260yards.

WR and DE draftees are notoriously bad at being useful early on.[/QUOTE]

That's assuming we would have picked a WR or DE with the 3rd round pick. Cornerbacks and offensive line help are also on the needs list. My contention is that there might have been a wideout that we could have acquired through free agency close to Lloyd's ability that wouldn't have costed us draft picks.

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

The problem is that with the new CBA extension, we KNOW the moves are going to come back to bite us ... well, at least a bit. Teams that go over the cap have the following year's cap reduced whereas teams that are over the cap have the following year's cap increased. So how many years is it going to take us to have a salary cap of $5 million?

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha]The problem is that with the new CBA extension, we KNOW the moves are going to come back to bite us ... well, at least a bit. Teams that go over the cap have the following year's cap reduced whereas teams that are over the cap have the following year's cap increased. So how many years is it going to take us to have a salary cap of $5 million?[/QUOTE]

Whaaaaaaat?? :confused:

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

Great moves! Only a complete pesimist would argue the point.

Spell check please

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

[QUOTE=drew54]Whaaaaaaat?? :confused:[/QUOTE]

I like people we signed and think our team will make a very strong run at the Super Bowl. I simply don't know where we are getting the money from, what the contracts actually look like, and what cap ramifications they are going to have.

Fortunately, people have been calling for our cap death for years and they've been wrong every time. I too thought we'd have cap woes this year. I was wrong. I'll probably be wrong again. I just am absolutely confused as to where the money is coming from.

My understanding is that under the new CBA, any cash over the cap affects the team's cap the following year. So, if a team spends a lot one year, they can spend less the following year and vice-versa. So, I'm just wondering where we are getting the money. I'm totally lost on the point.

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha]I like people we signed and think our team will make a very strong run at the Super Bowl. I simply don't know where we are getting the money from, what the contracts actually look like, and what cap ramifications they are going to have.

Fortunately, people have been calling for our cap death for years and they've been wrong every time. I too thought we'd have cap woes this year. I was wrong. I'll probably be wrong again. I just am absolutely confused as to where the money is coming from.

My understanding is that under the new CBA, any cash over the cap affects the team's cap the following year. So, if a team spends a lot one year, they can spend less the following year and vice-versa. So, I'm just wondering where we are getting the money. I'm totally lost on the point.[/QUOTE]

ill find you the article, but i did see somewhere a great explanation on one of the news websites about how we are pulling this off and it actually makes a lot of sense.

Re: Your opinion on the Skins free agent moves so far?
 

[QUOTE=PWNED]ill find you the article, but i did see somewhere a great explanation on one of the news websites about how we are pulling this off and it actually makes a lot of sense.[/QUOTE]

I know how we are pulling it off this year, I just don't know how it affects us in the future. Ohh well. I don't care. I am just gonna take this one year at a time, there's no point in dwellling on what might happen in 4 years considering no one seems to have figured out the new CBA ... not even the owners.

Okay, back to the signings. Is any defense going to be able to stop us? Is any offense going to be able to beat us? Doubt it.