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Who's older Favre or Brunell?

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[QUOTE=Twilbert07]Who's older Favre or Brunell?[/QUOTE]

Favre. Brunell started his career as Favre's backup. As did Matt Hasselback, Aaron Brooks, and I believe Kurt Warner (though Warner may have just been for one summer)

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-Favre born October 10, 1969
-Brunell born September 17, 1970

They both came into the league undrafted but Favre entered 2 years before Brunell in 1991, while Brunell entered the league in 1993.

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Actually a mistake they weren't undrafted. I was looking at the wrong thing so I'm not sure but the age is correct.

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[quote=SkinsLove24/7]Actually a mistake they weren't undrafted. I was looking at the wrong thing so I'm not sure but the age is correct.[/quote]

Favre Rd. 2 #6 by the Falcons 1991
Brunell Rd. 5 #6 by the Packers 1993

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lot of good points in this thread. Sure hope brunell doesn't try this next year!
I'll give farve credit for his great years & his overall class, but he needs to step up & realize that the packers shouldn't make free agent decisisons based on him coming back cause they're gonna have to rebuild with or without him.
Fact is, for at least the last 3 years he's been as much a problem for the team w/his play as he has been a plus. How does a vet qb get away w/so many ill advised into coverage passes, many of which get picked off? If you watch the highlights of that famous monday night game against oak. he threw a few jump balls that driver & walker came down with. Remember the game against us in 04? He lit it up in the 1st half, but then we picked off 3 from him in the 2nd & if not for a bogus illegal motion call that negated a td by portis, we could've won that one. The packers deserve credit for trying to gently ease out a legend, but they'd be better off to get rodgers in the mix asap.

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[quote=Sociofan]Dude, pulling the racial card is just ridiculous. [/quote]

I agree...look how the media acted when Rush Limbaugh had a back surgery go bad and he got some extra painkillers. It's not a black or white issue, the media just picks and chooses their people to become outraged at.

I wouldn't condemn anyone who legitimately has a lot of pain and overdoes painkillers, it's VERY easy to do and takes a lot of self control to prevent. I know that from experience.

Moss and pot vs. Favre and pills from a doctor? You've got to be kidding, trying to compare the two. One is ILLEGAL, the other is just a bad decision.

I'm sure Randy's past record with his behavior around police didn't help his case either.

Favre has been through a lot and I applaud him personally for making it through such tough issues, but as a player...I think he's done. He's no longer the QB he used to be and in many times he hurts his team more than he helps them now. I know he didn't have a supporting cast last year, but dropped passes didn't hurt him, his decision-making and accuracy did. He just doesn't have it any more. If he's too competitive to go out on a disaster season like last year, he needs to let his team know he's coming back. If he does play this year and can't win with his WRs and RBs back from injury, he needs to start getting Rogers ready to play. He's rotting in his headset.

The press conference to announce that he's still thinking was beyond stupid.

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[QUOTE=Buster]... look how the media acted when Rush Limbaugh had a back surgery go bad and he got some extra painkillers. It's not a black or white issue, the media just picks and chooses their people to become outraged at.

I wouldn't condemn anyone who legitimately has a lot of pain and overdoes painkillers, it's VERY easy to do and takes a lot of self control to prevent. I know that from experience.

Moss and pot vs. Favre and pills from a doctor? You've got to be kidding, trying to compare the two. One is ILLEGAL, the other is just a bad decision.[/QUOTE]

How the media "acted" after learning that Rush Limbaugh was addicted to Oxycontin was to report it, along with the fact that he could have faced criminal charges for a ridiculous statute called 'doctor shopping' under Florida law. Any time someone famous happens to become involved in these circumstances, especially one that has railed against drug use and claimed that those who abuse such illegal drugs should be "locked up" -- it should be as evident as the sky is blue that the media is going to mention it.

And don't confuse the term 'illegal' when one drug is marijuana and the other is Oxycontin -- illicit prescription drug use, and the covert means by which one attempts to obtain it without a doctor's approval is just as illegal (and as absurd, in my opinion).

Aside from the criminal penalties that may be different depending on what drug is used, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE between a marijuana, cocaine, or herion addict and one who abuses the "nicer" drugs like codiene or Oxycontin. The fact is, both sets of individuals took the drugs [B]to address their needs[/B]. One to relieve pain from back surgery, one to achieve inebriation and to fight the [I]pain[/I] of withdrawal.

The bottom line is that all laws concerning drugs of every kind should be completely and totally repealled.

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I have read every thread today concerning Brett Favre and I can count approximately 3 threads that get right down to the nitty gritty of the subject.
The behavior that Brett Favre has exhibited in the the last 2 months towards his teammates and fans is coming from one who is opportunistic, self-absorbed, insecure and a god damn hypocrite. This self righteous moron had the unmitigated audacity to call Javon Walker out in the press last year about his absence in training camp, and turns right around and makes a statement, " Whata' they going to do, cut me. " That's right. That's what the hypocrite said.

Brett Favre is a major contributor to what's wrong with the NFL because when he's wrong, which is most of the time, he gets a pass because of his statisical accomplishments and personal tragedies. So god damn what. He shits and pisses like the rest of us and should have been scorched in the media. Most of what the coverage has been is vanilla, pussy footing bullshit instead of a critical analysis of last season which clearly showed he was the worst QB in the league. When Mark Brunell stunk up the place in 2004 , everybody had an opinion on the subject. But for some reason, only Micheal Irvin had the balls to call Favre out on Prime Time. No player is above his team, right? What about when it's a good ole' boy whom everybody seems to drool over and can't seem to do any wrong even if he insults the very organization that he achieved his greatness? Man, to hell with Brett Favre. I can name 100 people in the NFL who have had worst tragedies than him.

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I thought he was joking around when he said "What are they going to do? Cut me"

Anyhow, it's so rare to find an athlete who knows when to quit. If you're at the top of your game you think "why can't I do this another year or more?" and if you slip you think "why can't I bounce back?"

Some of the past century's greatest athletes (such as Ruth, Mays, Unitas, Emmitt) finished with disappointingly uncharacteristic results, sometimes embarrasingly so. But in the long run, I don't think it does any damage to their legacy.

I think Favre will play one more season and it will be his "farewell tour" I think he wants to play his last game knowing its his last game. So the Aaron Rodgers era will begin in 2007, IMO.

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I'd like to give a shout-out to my man Berry Sanders for doing what he did on and off the field and for retiring with his legendary status still in perfect condition.

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[QUOTE=SUNRA]I have read every thread today concerning Brett Favre and I can count approximately 3 threads that get right down to the nitty gritty of the subject.
The behavior that Brett Favre has exhibited in the the last 2 months towards his teammates and fans is coming from one who is opportunistic, self-absorbed, insecure and a god damn hypocrite. This self righteous moron had the unmitigated audacity to call Javon Walker out in the press last year about his absence in training camp, and turns right around and makes a statement, " Whata' they going to do, cut me. " That's right. That's what the hypocrite said.

Brett Favre is a major contributor to what's wrong with the NFL because when he's wrong, which is most of the time, he gets a pass because of his statisical accomplishments and personal tragedies. So god damn what. He shits and pisses like the rest of us and should have been scorched in the media. Most of what the coverage has been is vanilla, pussy footing bullshit instead of a critical analysis of last season which clearly showed he was the worst QB in the league. When Mark Brunell stunk up the place in 2004 , everybody had an opinion on the subject. But for some reason, only Micheal Irvin had the balls to call Favre out on Prime Time. No player is above his team, right? What about when it's a good ole' boy whom everybody seems to drool over and can't seem to do any wrong even if he insults the very organization that he achieved his greatness? Man, to hell with Brett Favre. I can name 100 people in the NFL who have had worst tragedies than him.[/QUOTE]

Preach on bra'h, preach on! Favre was definitely a punk bitch for opening his mouth on Walker's monetary dispute last year and I called him on that.

And only fools think there is a difference between illegal and legal drugs besides one being approved by the government for the sake of drug companies. The whole thing reminds me of person that drinks enough alcohol to get a buzz every day yet still maintains they don't have a drinking problem. Speaking of alcohol, that's one hell of a legal drug!

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[QUOTE=saden1]I'd like to give a show out to my man Berry Sanders for doing what he did on and off the field and for retiring with his legendary status still in perfect condition.[/QUOTE]

Yup. Although some say he retired too early. I do, but only for selfish reasons. Loved watching him play.

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[QUOTE=SkinsLove24/7]Who else thinks this is the most annoying story this offseason and even over the past few offseasons. I mean make up your mind already. He is one of the great ones to play quarterback but this is ridiculous. He calls a press conference for today (Saturday) and announces that he still has not made up his mind. The T.O. situation was annoying as well but at least things changed and there was always different things happeneing. Brett needs to make up his mind so he and the Packers can move on while we can stop hearing about it.[/QUOTE]

if its annoying then dont read it, or turn the channel, the guy is stuck between playing for the team he loves and hanging it up b/c the front office decided to take away his coach, guards, and not pay javon, oh yeah, and not get shit back for all that has left the team. he has earned the right to be a little selfish.

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New revelation. Because of Mr. Favre's strong ethical stance on the subject of Green Bay persuing a big name player to motivate his decision. Well, guess who Green Bay is interested in? Lavar Arrington. He's meeting the organization today 4/11. Man, this is hilarious. Green Bay please sign Lavar, please.

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It's funny, but not surprising how quickly we turn on our stars.

Favre has had a Hall of Fame career, he's battled adversity, and he's generally been a pretty classy and standup guy.

Now he's faced with a difficult decision and people are jumping all over him. Could he be handling it better? Sure. Has he made some mistakes during his career? Of course... who hasn't?

But this witch hunt some people seem to be on is just really sickening. The race card is being played in some circles, people are bringing up his past problems that he's dealt with and already defeated... what's the point??

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[quote=Mattyk72]It's funny, but not surprising how quickly we turn on our stars.

Favre has had a Hall of Fame career, he's battled adversity, and he's generally been a pretty classy and standup guy.

Now he's faced with a difficult decision and people are jumping all over him. Could he be handling it better? Sure. Has he made some mistakes during his career? Of course... who hasn't?

But this witch hunt some people seem to be on is just really sickening. The race card is being played in some circles, people are bringing up his past problems that he's dealt with and already defeated... what's the point??[/quote]


Thank you Matty.

It is interesting how much more personal football decisions have become with a combination of increased media access and the internet. Brett might be having a hard time deciding whether or not to hang them up, but does anyone really want to see him in another uniform? Not me. I remember when a brash quarterback named Joe Namath had his knees go out, but rather than hang them up, he went to the L.A. Rams and tried playing a couple more seasons. It was terrible to watch. Worse than a train wreck. And people in New York just could not fathom Joe playing for another team. But despite his drinking and partying problem (oh, everyone knew about it then; the Suzy Kolber incident was just sort of the last straw), no one bashed Joe. So why does this stuff all get brought out for Brett Favre when all he's trying to do is figure out whether or not he's going to get one more legitimate shot at the playoffs? It's because all this stuff is unfiltered 24/7. Because of what Favre has done ON the field, he deserves the time to evaluate his future. There are a thousand players who have done/said or still do/say stupid things off the field. Don't single out Favre unless we apply the same scrutiny to every other player.

Late edit: Donovan McNabb has been saying the same things about the Eagles' failure to sign impact free agents when they have plenty of money beneath the cap. He has called out players for not showing up to camp. Is he up for the same level of bashing? Or will we see it for what it is? A very competitive QB calling out his teammates as their leader (a la Favre).

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I don't think anyone's singling out Farve, per se. And no one, at least I'm speaking for myself, is suggesting that he hasn't had a storied career. Because he has!

It's just human nature and perhaps cultural to examine people, both the good and the bad, that we hold in high regard. And we tend to make judgements accordingly. If this was, let's say......Joe Blow QB, we wouldn't give a rat's ass if he stayed, left or held a thousand press conferences. Because Brette has endeared so many people to himself over the years, he's going to take some heat, people are going to take some shots. It just comes with the territory, unfortunately.

I think in some weird sorta way, all of this back and forth, and the critism thrown his way legitimatizes the fact that he is an NFL great.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]It's funny, but not surprising how quickly we turn on our stars.

Favre has had a Hall of Fame career, he's battled adversity, and he's generally been a pretty classy and standup guy.

Now he's faced with a difficult decision and people are jumping all over him. Could he be handling it better? Sure. Has he made some mistakes during his career? Of course... who hasn't?

But this witch hunt some people seem to be on is just really sickening. The race card is being played in some circles, people are bringing up his past problems that he's dealt with and already defeated... what's the point??[/QUOTE]

I haven't turned on Brett Fav-rey. I've disliked him for quite awhile now. People may ask why, but to me, I tend to go against popular opinion -- when everyone drools over a particular star, whether it's football, movies, whatever -- I'm just not fond of media darlings, period.

[QUOTE=Sociofan]Thank you Matty.

It is interesting how much more personal football decisions have become with a combination of increased media access and the internet. Brett might be having a hard time deciding whether or not to hang them up, but does anyone really want to see him in another uniform? Not me. I remember when a brash quarterback named Joe Namath had his knees go out, but rather than hang them up, he went to the L.A. Rams and tried playing a couple more seasons. It was terrible to watch. Worse than a train wreck. And people in New York just could not fathom Joe playing for another team. But despite his drinking and partying problem (oh, everyone knew about it then; the Suzy Kolber incident was just sort of the last straw), no one bashed Joe. So why does this stuff all get brought out for Brett Favre when all he's trying to do is figure out whether or not he's going to get one more legitimate shot at the playoffs? It's because all this stuff is unfiltered 24/7. Because of what Favre has done ON the field, he deserves the time to evaluate his future. There are a thousand players who have done/said or still do/say stupid things off the field. Don't single out Favre unless we apply the same scrutiny to every other player.

Late edit: Donovan McNabb has been saying the same things about the Eagles' failure to sign impact free agents when they have plenty of money beneath the cap. He has called out players for not showing up to camp. Is he up for the same level of bashing? Or will we see it for what it is? A very competitive QB calling out his teammates as their leader (a la Favre).
04-11-2006 07:44 AM[/QUOTE]

No one's singling out Brett Fav-rey. He happens to be in the limelight regarding this question and the press loves to shine the spotlight on their media darling, especially when he's contemplating retirement. The problem I have, as many others do, is the way he's basing his decision: if the team is good, I'll come back. Football is the ultimate 'team' sport. Brett Farve was the main reason the Packers were bad last year, and have been for the past few seasons. He's a part of their failure as much as anyone else. For him to hold his fans and his team hostage and make demands the way he is, is self-serving in an environment that is supposed to be completely contrary to that notion. He's the spoiled brat that whines and pouts and threatens everyone that he's going home if things aren't done to his liking.

Sorry, but I've got little sympathy for such figures. Donovan McNabb can complain all he wants about his team not addressing it's needs in order to be competitive. But the difference is that he's not running home crying to mommy threatening that he doesn't want to play anymore if everything doesn't go his way.

Bottom line -- Brett Farve needs to grow up. If these statements are indicative of those that Farve is complaing about, and I've upset the jock-sniffers that love to follow him, then so be it. They can run home and cry to mommy too.

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LOL blaming Favre for the team's massive injury problems and the front office's general failings in keeping the team competitive is pretty ridiculous.

[quote]Brett Farve was the main reason the Packers were bad last year, and have been for the past few seasons.[/quote]

Really? Do you realize that last year was the only losing season the Packers have had under Favre. The only one.

Prior to last year the Packers W-L record looked like this under Favre.

2004: 10-6
2003: 10-6
2002: 12-4
2001: 12-4
2000: 9-7
1999: 8-8
1998: 11-5
1997: 13-3
1996: 13-3
1995: 11-5
1994: 9-7
1993: 9-7
1992: 9-7

If you take an objective look at the guy's career, last year sticks out like a fluke more than anything else. Injuries just decimated the team, and by the end of the year all they had was Favre, and his INTs climbed as he desperately tried to put the entire offense on his shoulders.

His career speaks for itself, and if anyone deserves some extra time to make a decision to retire, it's Favre.

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I more hate the medias handling of it and that makes it overflow to Favre. If I have to here MAdden say "He's just having fun out there, or He's like a kid in a candy store." one more time I will throw a beer through the TV. I've always hated Favre because of the media, they love him so much even a stupid play gets passed off. Namely one, where knowing he was over the line he threw a forward pass for a penalty instead of runnign and sliding for a gain. The media just laughed meanwhile Longwell went on to miss the field goal. It's been that way as long as I've watched Favre and while it's not his fault, I don't dislike him I detest the ora that is Brett Favre

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[QUOTE=PFunk26]I more hate the medias handling of it and that makes it overflow to Favre. If I have to here MAdden say "He's just having fun out there, or He's like a kid in a candy store." one more time I will throw a beer through the TV. I've always hated Favre because of the media, they love him so much even a stupid play gets passed off. Namely one, where knowing he was over the line he threw a forward pass for a penalty instead of runnign and sliding for a gain. The media just laughed meanwhile Longwell went on to miss the field goal. It's been that way as long as I've watched Favre and while it's not his fault, I don't dislike him I detest the ora that is Brett Favre[/QUOTE]

Amen. He's the media's Golden Boy who can do no wrong. If any other QB made the same inept follies as Fav-rey has gotten away with over the past few years, they'd argue for criminal prosecution. But not Fav-rey. After all, he nearly got sucked into a tornado a few years ago ...

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What "crimes" has Favre gotten away with recently? I'd really love to know what he's done that's so horrible.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]What "crimes" has Favre gotten away with recently? I'd really love to know what he's done that's so horrible.[/QUOTE]

He's a putz.

Look Matty, I don't have any evidence to back up my gut feeling about the guy.

I just think he's a putz, that's all.

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[quote=Beemnseven]He's a putz.

Look Matty, I don't have any evidence to back up my gut feeling about the guy.

I just think he's a putz, that's all.[/quote]

Fair enough you don't like the guy, but what about your false statements about him being responsible for the team's failures the past few years. As I pointed out last year is the only losing season the Packers have had under him. They've been a perennial playoff team for over a decade now. At least give him some respect for what he's done on the field.

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[quote=Beemnseven]He's a putz.

Look Matty, I don't have any evidence to back up my gut feeling about the guy.

I just think he's a putz, that's all.[/quote]

He's a putz? Good argument. I think Carson Palmer is a putz. Cincy should cut him too.

But seriously, I'm not surprised at all by the bashing of Favre on this board. To me it just seems like bitterness, since Washington hasn't had a quarterback that anyone cared about his retirement since Joe Thiessman.

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How about Farve being a hypocrite?

He's called his own players out in the past for holding out. And now does the same thing 2 years in a row. I must say I'm sick of hearing about it. But I think Farve needs to take a long look in the mirror and see how He looks to the rest of us.

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[quote=Mattyk72]Fair enough you don't like the guy, but what about your false statements about him being responsible for the team's failures the past few years. As I pointed out last year is the only losing season the Packers have had under him. They've been a perennial playoff team for over a decade now. At least give him some respect for what he's done on the field.[/quote]

[FONT='Lucida Sans Unicode'][SIZE=3]Fair enough Matty, as far as his whole career goes. You have to give him credit, he’s been great at times, or should I say was great.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[SIZE=3][FONT='Lucida Sans Unicode']But as for the past few years, he has really played recklessly & I believe the team has been bailed out by the running game, driver & walker, and a decent defense. If he did say “what are they going to do, cut me?” then he does deserve some criticism. He’s the qp, not the GM & he’s taking advantage of his status IMO. I don’t begrudge him too much for it though, he’s facing a major change in his life. But I do think its fair to say that he’s not acting in the team’s best interests right now & that as a player he’s nowhere near his mvp years. Bottom line for [/FONT][FONT='Lucida Sans Unicode']Green Bay[/FONT][FONT='Lucida Sans Unicode'] is that this team lacks a lot & Farve coming back is unlikely to get them to the playoffs no matter who they sign.[/FONT][/SIZE]

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[QUOTE=Riggo44]How about Farve being a hypocrite?

He's called his own players out in the past for holding out. And now does the same thing 2 years in a row. I must say I'm sick of hearing about it. But I think Farve needs to take a long look in the mirror and see how He looks to the rest of us.[/QUOTE]

That's funny...when did Favre miss camp? When did Javon Walker miss camp, for that matter? Walker said he showed up out of respect for Brett Favre and the team. I remember hearing an interview on NFL Radio where they basically tried to bait Walker into saying that Favre should mind his own business. Walker just said that when a guy like that says he wants you in camp, you know you're an important part of the team and he hoped the organization would listen to Brett. So, basically, he got Javon into camp.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Fair enough you don't like the guy, but what about your false statements about him being responsible for the team's failures the past few years. As I pointed out last year is the only losing season the Packers have had under him. They've been a perennial playoff team for over a decade now. At least give him some respect for what he's done on the field.[/QUOTE]

Fine, if it makes you happy, I'll retract my statement about his poor play as a factor for "the past few seasons". Yes, he's put up a hell of a lot of stats and more than likely gets into the HOF. But let's not lose ourselves in orgasmic convulsions about the notion that somehow he single-handedly carried the Packers to winning records since '93. There are other guys on those Green Bay teams who dominated the game at the time, along with a superb collection of coaches that put it all together. No, I don't take anything away from his accomplishments, but by the same token, I don't think we can dismiss his 67 interceptions over the past three seasons at some pretty inopportune times that no one seems to care about.

I won't however, allow his current demonstrations of being a whiney little bitch take away from my overall dislike for the man. Not to mention this long held love affair the media has for their Golden Boy.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]He's a putz? Good argument. I think Carson Palmer is a putz. Cincy should cut him too.

But seriously, I'm not surprised at all by the bashing of Favre on this board. To me it just seems like bitterness, since Washington hasn't had a quarterback that anyone cared about his retirement since Joe Thiessman.[/QUOTE]

Call it bitterness, call it whatever you want. I never claimed that my gut feeling about him being a putz was a "good argument". It's my gut feeling.

Deal with it, or don't. I don't care. He's a putz and I'll be glad when he's gone.

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[quote=freddyg12][SIZE=3][FONT=Lucida Sans Unicode]But as for the past few years, he has really played recklessly & I believe the team has been bailed out by the running game, driver & walker, and a decent defense. [/FONT][/SIZE][/quote]

Why does everyone keep saying "past few years"? The Packers were in the playoff the season before last. He had a poor season last year, because all his weapons were injured. ALL of them, except the #2 receiver.

And the only reason they were good before was because of the running game, receivers and defense?!?! So you're basically saying they won, in spite of Favre. Please find anyone who knows anything about football, that agrees with that comment. The Packers haven't had a top tier defense in six seasons. And to claim that the offense is only good because of everyone except the quarterback(especially when the QB is Favre) is ridiculous.

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[quote=freddyg12][FONT=Lucida Sans Unicode][SIZE=3]Fair enough Matty, as far as his whole career goes. You have to give him credit, he’s been great at times, or should I say was great.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[SIZE=3][FONT=Lucida Sans Unicode]But as for the past few years, he has really played recklessly & I believe the team has been bailed out by the running game, driver & walker, and a decent defense. If he did say “what are they going to do, cut me?” then he does deserve some criticism. He’s the qp, not the GM & he’s taking advantage of his status IMO. I don’t begrudge him too much for it though, he’s facing a major change in his life. But I do think its fair to say that he’s not acting in the team’s best interests right now & that as a player he’s nowhere near his mvp years. Bottom line for [/FONT][FONT=Lucida Sans Unicode]Green Bay[/FONT][FONT=Lucida Sans Unicode] is that this team lacks a lot & Farve coming back is unlikely to get them to the playoffs no matter who they sign.[/FONT][/SIZE][/quote]

Let's take a look at his [URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1028"]actual numbers [/URL]rather than just throwing around claims about him being any more reckless in the past few years vs. Favre in his early years.

Last year was the first time since 1993 that he's thrown more INTs than TDs.

For his career he's thrown 255 INTs, or an average of 17 per season. During that time he threw 396 TDs, or 26.4 per season.

So let's get real, he's never been a QB that you would call a game manager, or a guy who limits his INTs and plays conservative. He's always been an all or nothing, force throws into tight spaces, and go for broke kind of QB. An old fashioned gunslinger in the truest sense.

He's always been the kind of QB that will throw 15-20 picks per year, but you could also count on 30 or more TD throws most years.

If you take a look at his numbers from season to season, there's not a whole lot different between what he's done in the last 5 years when compared to his first 5 years as a starter, or the middle 5 years or so. He's a high risk, high payoff QB. Always has been, always will.

Prior to the disaster that was the 2005 Packers, he was coming off one of his better years in 2004 when he threw for 4088 yards, 30 TDs and 17 INTs and a 92.4 rating.

I don't think his game dropped off that much last year, but the team round him did. The injuries piled up and by the end of the year he was throwing to guys like Rod Gardner and handing off to Sam Gado for petes sake.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]Why does everyone keep saying "past few years"? The Packers were in the playoff the season before last. He had a poor season last year, because all his weapons were injured. ALL of them, except the #2 receiver.

And the only reason they were good before was because of the running game, receivers and defense?!?! So you're basically saying they won, in spite of Favre. Please find anyone who knows anything about football, that agrees with that comment. The Packers haven't had a top tier defense in six seasons. And to claim that the offense is only good because of everyone except the quarterback(especially when the QB is Favre) is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

Seriously, try making the comment that Skins were good in spite of Mark Brunell and see how this board explodes. And we all know that Favre is a far better QB than Brunell.

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[quote=jdlea]Seriously, try making the comment that Skins were good in spite of Mark Brunell and see how this board explodes. And we all know that Favre is a far better QB than Brunell.[/quote]

Well, last year Farve wasn't better than Brunell...that's a fact!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Let's take a look at his [URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1028"]actual numbers [/URL]rather than just throwing around claims about him being any more reckless in the past few years vs. Favre in his early years.

Last year was the first time since 1993 that he's thrown more INTs than TDs.[/QUOTE]

Alright, well, I looked over his [I]actual numbers [/I]and the way I read them, he had 23 picks in 1999 and 22 TDs.

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[quote=Mattyk72]I don't think his game dropped off that much last year, but the team round him did. The injuries piled up and by the end of the year he was throwing to guys like Rod Gardner and handing off to Sam Gado for petes sake.[/quote]

But we're Redskin fans. We don't go by numbers or statistics.

AnE1 hOo iznt a ReDskIn sukZ, LoLz, WTF!!1!

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his bullying javon into camp without a new contract (and javon getting hurt and favre not stepping up to help him get the contract money that injury cost him) was crappy

the constant "i might retire" thing the last few years is kinda crappy (how about not mentioning it till it actually happens, instead of using it as a convenient and constant guilt trip).

refusing to help rogers is a bit crappy of him too.

yes, he's been through a lot, but most people don't take 3+ years to make a decision on retiring. He' really over-milking this thing and the media is being a bit too helpful.

Not saying he's a terrible player, etc etc, but he surely isn't perfect either.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]Well, last year Farve wasn't better than Brunell...that's a fact![/QUOTE]

Yeah, last year Mark Brunell's numbers were better with Clinton Portis and Santana Moss than Favre's were with Donald Driver and Samkon Gado. What an accurate gage...

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[quote=Beemnseven]Fine, if it makes you happy, I'll retract my statement about his poor play as a factor for "the past few seasons". Yes, he's put up a hell of a lot of stats and more than likely gets into the HOF. But let's not lose ourselves in orgasmic convulsions about the notion that somehow he single-handedly carried the Packers to winning records since '93. There are other guys on those Green Bay teams who dominated the game at the time, along with a superb collection of coaches that put it all together. No, I don't take anything away from his accomplishments, but by the same token, I don't think we can dismiss his 67 interceptions over the past three seasons at some pretty inopportune times that no one seems to care about.

I won't however, allow his current demonstrations of being a whiney little bitch take away from my overall dislike for the man. Not to mention this long held love affair the media has for their Golden Boy.[/quote]

Of course he's not single handedly responsible for the Packers success, who's saying that he is? Besides, what player in NFL history has been single handedly responsible for any long-term success of a team??

But you can't deny he's been a huge part of it. I can't imagine the Packers having anywhere near the same kind of success they've had over the last 14 years with someone else playing QB.

Yeah he's thrown 67 INTs over the last three years, but you also failed to mention he threw 82 TDs over that same time.