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The important equation is if (Mario Williams-N.D. Kalu)>(Reggie Bush-Dominick Davis).

If true, good choice. If not bad choice.

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[quote=GTripp0012]The important equation is if (Mario Williams-N.D. Kalu)>(Reggie Bush-Dominick Davis).

If true, good choice. If not bad choice.[/quote]

Good point, but I gotta tell you man, I hated Geometry.

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[quote=Dirtbag359]Good point, but I gotta tell you man, I hated Geometry.[/quote]

Apparently. Thats algebraic.

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[quote=GTripp0012]Apparently. Thats algebraic.[/quote]

A little of both. I was thinking from the perspective of theroms and proofs that we had so much fun doing my sophmore year of High School.

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wow...math...courtney brown was good untill he got the fine for the hit i think his 1st year. since then he hasn't been the same as said my ohio family.

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Lets hope that "super"Mario is not so super , we play them in week two . Lets hope for Samuals sake , he is not as quick as S. Rice . Too bad the Vikings old GM was not sitting at # 1 < the guy who traded 9 picks 1st - 3rd rd > for H. Walker , maybe we could have traded Jacobs and Frost for that # 1 lol !

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very very few rookies are ramped up by week 2. they generally pick up around week 8-10.

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[quote=That Guy]very very few rookies are ramped up by week 2. they generally pick up around week 8-10.[/quote]

Really? I thought thats when they'd start to break down since week 8-10 is nearing the end of the collegiate season.

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By the way, someone please explain to me how you use the #1 pick on a Defensive End who had 11 sacks in 2 years?

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[quote=Dirtbag359]Really? I thought thats when they'd start to break down since week 8-10 is nearing the end of the collegiate season.[/quote]

they do wear out, but they also stop making as many stupid mistakes.

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[quote=Dirtbag359]By the way, someone please explain to me how you use the #1 pick on a Defensive End who had 11 sacks in 2 years?[/quote]

cause they drafted him on potential and his freakish altheticism instead of his production. I'm not saying that's right or wrong.

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[quote=That Guy]cause they drafted him on potential and his freakish altheticism instead of his production. I'm not saying that's right or wrong.[/quote]

With all due respect (and I'm not sure if thats your view or the right answer, I know its at least the latter) I'll take a football player over a gym rat anyday.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]I heard this on the Dan Patrick show... the last team to win a Super Bowl with a running back that was drafted #1 ????

The Washington Redskins, George Rogers.[/QUOTE]

And we didn't even draft him, the Saints did....just like the Saints drafted Reggie Bush, hmmm. Ok, I'm calling it right now 2010 Reggie Bush signs with the Redskins (of course, he'll have to get here somehow through the Jets or we ain't takin him)

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[quote=TAFKAS] (of course, he'll have to get here somehow through the Jets or we ain't takin him)[/quote]


LOL. Nice. I gotta say though I feel a little guilty. I mean we're creeping with our ex-gf (The Jets) and cheating on our current gf (The Broncos). But we've been with them since 2003 and we have all these feelings that just won't go away and draft picks that keep disappearing.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359]LOL. Nice. I gotta say though I feel a little guilty. I mean we're creeping with our ex-gf (The Jets) and cheating on our current gf (The Broncos). But we've been with them since 2003 and we have all these feelings that just won't go away and draft picks that keep disappearing.[/QUOTE]

think of this like the sopranos... tony's wife is the broncos and the jets are the side girl... dallas is vito if anyone else watches the show

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[quote=Duffman003]think of this like the sopranos... tony's wife is the broncos and the jets are the side girl... dallas is vito if anyone else watches the show[/quote]

LMAO. Man thats cold. So to sum up, Denver is Carmela, New York is our guma, and Dallas likes to show up at the construction site early.

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[quote=That Guy]cause they drafted him on potential and his freakish altheticism instead of his production. I'm not saying that's right or wrong.[/quote]

I don't agree with taking Super Mario, if it is based on JUST potential and altheticism. In my eyes, if you are drafting at #1, the player should have (in this order): proven skills/success, work ethic, production, athleticism, and potential.

I don't think you have a true #1 overall pick unless you have all of the above.

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Picking a player based on his super athletic ability doesn't guarantee you a championship, just ask the Atlanta Falcons (MV) or San Diego Chargers (LT). Houston [B][U]needs[/U][/B] defensive help, they have to address those needs. I doubt picking Mario Williams will vault their defense to the top 10, probably not even the top 20 but they are in a division full of non-scrambling, pocket passing QBs. It's a fairly reasonable strategy.

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OK I agree Mario may turn out to be a great fit to Texans if he doesn't turn out to be a bust there are many games againts bad teams he didn't do squad. But for the pure economics and return of investment Bush was the right choice. Right now NO season tickes are going out fast and then you have jersey tshirt etc... coem on Texas would have recover the 6 maybe 7 million they had to over pay Bush in a month.

And NO made the right move not only for the bussines aspect but because Deuce just came back from major surgery they don't know if he will be 100%.

And for the 1 that said taht moves like this is why Great players like Witten fall to the second he fell to the Third round and we love that pick.

for me the more stupid moves came from the Bills they not only reached once (Whitner, Donte) but twice (McCargo, John) with players that should had gone so high. but I thank them because that let us pick Carpenter

And NO tried to fiend suitable trade partner before selecting bush but they say none offered anything worth the value.

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D'BOYZ, I dont see Bush as so much a money issue as a salary cap issue. From what I know about the Texans owner, hes far from cheap, but hey, there's a salary cap. I'd rather have Williams and another good player than just Reggie Bush.

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anybody notice that williams only got 19.5 sacks in 3 seasons? In the ACC?

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you gotta say though, the ACC is a high powered conference.

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]OK I agree Mario may turn out to be a great fit to Texans if he doesn't turn out to be a bust there are many games againts bad teams he didn't do squad. But for the pure economics and return of investment Bush was the right choice. Right now NO season tickes are going out fast and then you have jersey tshirt etc... coem on Texas would have recover the 6 maybe 7 million they had to over pay Bush in a month.

And NO made the right move not only for the bussines aspect but because Deuce just came back from major surgery they don't know if he will be 100%.

And for the 1 that said taht moves like this is why Great players like Witten fall to the second he fell to the Third round and we love that pick.

for me the more stupid moves came from the Bills they not only reached once (Whitner, Donte) but twice (McCargo, John) with players that should had gone so high. but I thank them because that let us pick Carpenter

And NO tried to fiend suitable trade partner before selecting bush but they say none offered anything worth the value.[/QUOTE]

Hey D'Boyz, don't you also love the fact that Dallas passed on Stephen Jackson and took Julius Jones instead?

I know I do!

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[quote=Beemnseven]Hey D'Boyz, don't you also love the fact that Dallas passed on Stephen Jackson and took Julius Jones instead?

I know I do![/quote]

BURN!

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[quote=Dirtbag359]Well with that they could have easily traded down with the Jets or Saints and still gotten the Brick. After the Ditka fiasco I don't think anyone will pay more than what the Giants paid for Eli Manning in regards to getting the #1 overall pick.
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Sorry to say this but you are a hypocrite. You chastised Casserly for his pick and then say somthing about the Ditka deal. Remember who the Saints gave their draft to? Ths Skins, Charley Casserly who traded down and got Champ who we got Portis for. And Got the #2 pick in the next years draft which was LaVar, whom we got a ton of mileage out of.

Guess he is an idiot? My idiot would go to either Buffalo for there stupid picks or the Eagles for picking once again a DT.

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[quote=CRT3]Sorry to say this but you are a hypocrite. You chastised Casserly for his pick and then say somthing about the Ditka deal. Remember who the Saints gave their draft to? Ths Skins, Charley Casserly who traded down and got Champ who we got Portis for. And Got the #2 pick in the next years draft which was LaVar, whom we got a ton of mileage out of.

Guess he is an idiot? My idiot would go to either Buffalo for there stupid picks or the Eagles for picking once again a DT.[/quote]

that was the best DT in the draft and they needed the help, and they also got two quality OL starters well below value. I'd agree on the bills and add the vikings for reaching as well.

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[quote=Beemnseven]Hey D'Boyz, don't you also love the fact that Dallas passed on Stephen Jackson and took Julius Jones instead?

I know I do![/quote]


How that's a Burn really Julius has done more than Jackson in less games?? yeah he has been injured but he has 3 times the potential Jackson barelly made 1000 last year in 15 games

JJ almost did it in 13 and he wasn't 100% in 4 games he played, we also passed on K. Jones that draft was that a bad move also.

And sorry but JJ, Spears ( 1st round pick we got from Buffalo), and Bledsoe released because of J.P Losman ( the pick Buffalo took with our pick). is 10,000 better than just S. Jackson.

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[quote=That Guy]that was the best DT in the draft and they needed the help, and they also got two quality OL starters well below value. I'd agree on the bills and add the vikings for reaching as well.[/quote] But they keep on missing with picking a DT. Every year. They needed to pick a RB or dare I say a QB. When they lossed their QB last year things really went south. Ohh I forgot they upgraded in the offseason by hiring Timmy Chang and Jeff Garcia.

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[quote=D'BOYZ]How that's a Burn really Julius has done more than Jackson in less games?? yeah he has been injured but he has 3 times the potential Jackson barelly made 1000 last year in 15 games

JJ almost did it in 13 and he wasn't 100% in 4 games he played, we also passed on K. Jones that draft was that a bad move also.

And sorry but JJ, Spears ( 1st round pick we got from Buffalo), and Bledsoe released because of J.P Losman ( the pick Buffalo took with our pick). is 10,000 better than just S. Jackson.[/quote]

Umm... looking at NFL.com Jackson and Jones compare:

Jackson - 1046 yards rushing (254 carries) 8 TD's; 320 yards receiving (43 catches) 2 TD's

Jones - 993 yards rushing (257 carries) 5 TD's; 218 yards receiving (35 catches) 0TD's

It looks to me like Jackson was a bit more productive with less touches and is secured as the feature back this year.

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[quote=CRT3]Sorry to say this but you are a hypocrite. You chastised Casserly for his pick and then say somthing about the Ditka deal. Remember who the Saints gave their draft to? Ths Skins, Charley Casserly who traded down and got Champ who we got Portis for. And Got the #2 pick in the next years draft which was LaVar, whom we got a ton of mileage out of.

Guess he is an idiot? My idiot would go to either Buffalo for there stupid picks or the Eagles for picking once again a DT.[/quote]

I wasn't exactly criticizing Ditka. I was saying that since the Saints trading their draft away in retrospect didn't turn out good, this in turn caused the other teams afterwards to look at it and say 'well we want the #1 pick but we can't be like the saints a few years ago and trade away all our picks for one player'. I then brought up though that the bar might have been set by the Giants trading for Eli with their pick in that years draft, a 3rd rounder, and a 1st rounder the following year. Good point though concerning Casserly and his involvement with the Ditka trade.

I'd also like to bring up that I'm a little confused about Williams sack total. throughout this thread one of my arguments has been that he got only 11 sacks in his final 2 years at NC State. However after looking at various draft profiles and hearing Mark Schlereth (or however you spell his name) he had 14.5 sacks in his senior year. At the same time Cold Pizzas Jay Crawford cited Mario Williams as having only 11 sacks in his final 23 games. I then went on the NC State website and found this.

[url]http://gopack.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/williams_mario00.html[/url]

Then I realized i should have read the years next to it. However the 1-2 punch of Crawford and skiming over this led me to believe that these were his last two seasons of college football.

I'm actually kind of surprised that no one called me out on this. This was the foundation of my argument.

So with that said, I'd like to say that I still stand by the 'Texans shoulda picked Bush bandwagon.' At the same time I will admit that Williams wasn't as bad of a pick as I thought. However with a city that got burned by the last franchise that settled there that by ignoring the cries and demands of the fans when they felt this strongly about taking Bush should have caused them to yield to the fans. Worst case scenario you get a guy that sells more tickets and makes your offense more explosive. However if Kubiack thinks he can turn anyone into a 1200 yard rusher in case Davis gets injured than more power to him. Remember though Texans fans aren't nearly as loyal as us (though they are loyal in their own right) and if Williams turns into a bust they could be facing one hell of a backlash.

In the end I have to admit giving Casserly the idiot of the year award might have been a bit premature (especially when canidates like the Bills and Kris Benson have been nominated). Only time will tell, and I will admit if Williams has a Seymour like impact then I will personally handwrite a letter to Mr. Casserly appoligizing for my harsh remarks.

So if you have anything to say give me your best shot, I've earned it.

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the thing about casserly is that he always knows exactly what to do.... two years after the fact ;)

falcons + vick = [b]25,000[/b] more season tickets sold. I can't think of a single defensive lineman that generates that kind of economic impact (and that's not including jerseys and caps and such). As for team needs, even though bush is a better player, they do have his spots covered fairly well (two #1 WRs, PB KR, good #1 RB, though a bit fragile).

anyways, for player stats:
[url]http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/mainpage.jsp[/url]

get them right from the source, you'll get better results ;) (go to team reports on the right). Its throwing up an error clicking on individual players right now though :( hopefully it fixed soon.

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I think you did blow it on this one,even though I'm not high on casserly,this was kubiaks pick and charley went with it,charley said on the radio here that since he's been a gm he's never had a disagreement with a coach who their #1 pick would be,he made it sound like he pretty much picks who the coach wants for the first pick,after that there might be some disagreements on other players,he's pretty much blamed capers for the picks he's made that didnt turn out because thats who capers wanted,so even though I dont think he's an idiot for the williams pick because i dont think it was his call,his other picks and freeagent moves{philip buchanon}have sucked.he did have some good moves for the skins,I give him credit for that,but being close to the situation in houston has left me very unimpressed,now I'm starting to think that dirtbag,maybe you are right,maybe he is the idiot of the year,lol

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[quote=Dirtbag359]I wasn't exactly criticizing Ditka. I was saying that since the Saints trading their draft away in retrospect didn't turn out good, this in turn caused the other teams afterwards to look at it and say 'well we want the #1 pick but we can't be like the saints a few years ago and trade away all our picks for one player'. I then brought up though that the bar might have been set by the Giants trading for Eli with their pick in that years draft, a 3rd rounder, and a 1st rounder the following year. Good point though concerning Casserly and his involvement with the Ditka trade.

In the end I have to admit giving Casserly the idiot of the year award might have been a bit premature (especially when canidates like the Bills and Kris Benson have been nominated). Only time will tell, and I will admit if Williams has a Seymour like impact then I will personally handwrite a letter to Mr. Casserly appoligizing for my harsh remarks.

So if you have anything to say give me your best shot, I've earned it.[/quote]

I believe you have a better understanding of not calling Casserly an idiot but your point on Williams being the #1 is well documented. Cudos.

But really what #1 pick has succeded, they are few and far between.

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/ones"]http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/ones[/URL]

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[quote=CRT3]I believe you have a better understanding of not calling Casserly an idiot but your point on Williams being the #1 is well documented. Cudos.

But really what #1 pick has succeded, they are few and far between.

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/ones"]http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/ones[/URL][/quote]

really depends on your definition of success... a lot of them lasted over 10 years and a bunch also made the HoF. and some of them (ie bo jackson) were doing very well until injuries ended their careers.

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[quote=Dirtbag359]So with that said, I'd like to say that I still stand by the 'Texans shoulda picked Bush bandwagon.' At the same time I will admit that Williams wasn't as bad of a pick as I thought. However with a city that got burned by the last franchise that settled there that by ignoring the cries and demands of the fans when they felt this strongly about taking Bush should have caused them to yield to the fans. Worst case scenario you get a guy that sells more tickets and makes your offense more explosive. However if Kubiack thinks he can turn anyone into a 1200 yard rusher in case Davis gets injured than more power to him. Remember though Texans fans aren't nearly as loyal as us (though they are loyal in their own right) and if Williams turns into a bust they could be facing one hell of a backlash.
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Winning games puts people in the seats too. A coach's and GM's job is to do what's best for the team. The fact that a certain player would sell more tickets might be a consideration for the owner, but should have no impact on the rest of the front office.

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ESPN reporting that Casserly will resign today. They are stating that this is the last straw with MGMT as he passed on BUSH in the draft. Scapegoat by mgmt? Did they not have a unified draft attack plan in place WELL before the draft? Crazy!!!!!!!!

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Everyone is going to shit their pants when Bush doesn't rush for the 2500 yards, receive for 1000 and return for 10 TDs like he was SUPPOSED to.

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I wonder when that happens, if Casserly will suddenly be a Super Genius (albeit unemployed)??????

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Yes. Mario Williams will have much more of an impact on the Texans than Bush would have. I WILL say this, if the Jets would have gotten Bush, he would have made a big impact on THAT team.

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Unfortunately for Bush, The FIGHTIN' Saints scooped him up!
Don't you know dude is lookin' for tall buildings to bail off! The hero worship he is experiencing at this time will turn to something else when he realizes he has to block for himself as well