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I bet when they were showing TO around the cowboys stadium, that must've been a little awkward.

... and over there, that's the err ... the star ... you stood on (and basically shitted on).

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I can't believe that TO's not in Dallas, working out. I would've thought he would be doing situps without his shirt on, on the Cowboys star in the middle of the field.

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Just by reading some of the posts, I am a bit puzzled why the "experts" are saying Arch is a liability in pass coverage. The reason I say that is because :
1) Arch will (I think) be used more for run support. If we go back to a couple of games where Taylor wasn't in the game teams beat us deep. Taylor is used generally as the deep help, especially on passing downs.
2) our defense does not employ a FS and SS. They are SAFETYS, period. The signing of Arch was done primarily as a run support safety, that can help some in pass coverage. We started the look for a safety when Clark got bulldozed by LT in overtime last year.

Now, I can see the reasoning in the overpay category. We had to overpay Randel El and Arch to get them to sign. They both wanted to play in Chicago for their own personal reasons, but chose the Redskins strictly by what we offered in terms of dollars. Plus, we dont really know what they are going to do in the offense. Both guys are not really proven in terms of what we paid. Randel El brings some things to the table in terms of special teams, and trick plays, but has never been a proven everydown WR. Lloyd is young and I believe his numbers are a bit inflated because the 49ers were so bad last year and played from behind virtually all of last year, so they were forced to throw the ball a good bit.

As far as Andre C goes, I think GMs and the "experts" are looking at last year stats. This is an error on their part because he basically played an OLB in a 3-4 defense. He stood up almost all the time. He will be back to his DE position in our 4-3 defense and back with his hand on the ground. He also will provide a little versatility where he can stand up and rush the passer ala lawrence taylor.(i am not comparing the two, only pass rushing positions)

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[quote=D'BOYZ]well yeah you have

there's SD,SF,almost Oakland drop ball in the endzone, Car, KC, NYG, PHI.[/quote]

I'd be a little embarrassed to admit you had to come from behind to beat SF. Also, Bledsoe didn't beat the Giants, the Giants came back to force OT and Cortez kicked a field goal. You probably would have lost to Philly if Williams hadn't returned an interception for the game winning TD.

Actually, aside from that I am a little impressed that Bledsoe did have 4 legitimate comebacks last year!

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[quote=724Skinsfan]I'd be a little embarrassed to admit you had to come from behind to beat SF. Also, Bledsoe didn't beat the Giants, the Giants came back to force OT and Cortez kicked a field goal. You probably would have lost to Philly if Williams hadn't returned an interception for the game winning TD.

Actually, aside from that I am a little impressed that Bledsoe did have 4 legitimate comebacks last year![/quote]

Dude, I am by no means a Dallas fan, hate em! but you keep raggin on Bledsoe when I think its because it only because he is a Cowboy. He has been mentioned as a future hall of famer. Go back and look at his numbers, career numbers, and see how he matches up in the books. his passing numbers, from what I remember, are pretty good.

On a side note, I hope he throws about 4 picks and gets sacked 10 times against us this year. plus a concussion!

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[quote=warriorzpath]Wow that's impressive - including the Oakland loss/almost come from behind/still a loss. You were itching to use that comeback thing weren't you. Good job.

Too bad Bledsoe couldn't lead the patriots to a superbowl victory and watched on the sideline while someone else did. One from the opposing team and once from his own team's bench. And too bad he couldn't lead himself to comeback from losing his starting spot to a low draft choice in his second year.[/quote]

So in your opinion a leader is a player that Won a Superbowl or lead it's team to a superbowl victory? so there are no leaders in your team? and yes he lost his job to uuuhhh a 3 time SB champion it's not like he lost it to Ryan Leaf.

Man just because there's are rivally between teams you have to bring ridiculus arguments man come un be better then that, or just say dallas Sucks is a smarter comment that what you just said.

No leaders hahaha.

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[quote=D'BOYZ]So in your opinion a leader is a player that Won a Superbowl or lead it's team to a superbowl victory? so there are no leaders in your team? and yes he lost his job to uuuhhh a 3 time SB champion it's not like he lost it to Ryan Leaf.

Man just because there's are rivally between teams you have to bring ridiculus arguments man come un be better then that, or just say dallas Sucks is a smarter comment that what you just said.

No leaders hahaha.[/quote]

No he's not a leader because he couldn't lead a team that had all the pieces in the patriots to a superbowl win. Someone else was able to do that [U][B]immediately[/B][/U] after taking over the team: Tom Brady.

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You're right, I do rag on Bledsoe a lot on this board. The funny thing is he is the only NFL player I have met in person and thought that he was genuinely a terrific guy. I met him at the PGA championship in Rochester. Bills training camp was going on at the time and I stumbled into an opportunity to meet some of the players as a "family member" of one of the golfers. He was super nice and not seemingly due to any obligation. Unfortunately for him, he's a Cowboy and will always receive criticism from me until he puts on a new uniform or retires.

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Bledsoe, in my opinion, just doesn't have it to be a leader. He just doesn't seem to inspire anyone with his play.

And HOF - now that's funny to me.

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[quote=#56fanatic]
Just by reading some of the posts, I am a bit puzzled why the "experts" are saying Arch is a liability in pass coverage. The reason I say that is because :
1) Arch will (I think) be used more for run support. If we go back to a couple of games where Taylor wasn't in the game teams beat us deep. Taylor is used generally as the deep help, especially on passing downs.
2) our defense does not employ a FS and SS. They are SAFETYS, period. The signing of Arch was done primarily as a run support safety, that can help some in pass coverage. We started the look for a safety when Clark got bulldozed by LT in overtime last year.
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OK there's a problem with your statement if the redskins don't employ a FS and a SS and they're are both Safetys that means that both have to do run support and coverage support in that case it just null's your previous statement.

Is the fact the Archuleta will be use as a SS that covers the middle passes and helps in run support that he'll work in Williams system even though he was overpaid and we all have agreed that and I can agree with your statement that you needed to overpay to lour him out of other teams. Because you needed a SS to cover the middle so taylor can focus on coverage.

And yeah Randall has to show that he can be more of a gimmick/ retuner player to be worth his value.

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[quote=#56fanatic]Dude, I am by no means a Dallas fan, hate em! but you keep raggin on Bledsoe when I think its because it only because he is a Cowboy. He has been mentioned as a future hall of famer. Go back and look at his numbers, career numbers, and see how he matches up in the books. his passing numbers, from what I remember, are pretty good.

On a side note, I hope he throws about 4 picks and gets sacked 10 times against us this year. plus a concussion![/quote]

I was actually trying to sheepishly admit that 4 comeback victories is really impressive no matter who the QB is.

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[quote=warriorzpath]Bledsoe, in my opinion, just doesn't have it to be a leader. He just doesn't seem to inspire anyone with his play.

And HOF - now that's funny to me.[/quote]


Well man you're wrong I'm not going to keep talking about the subject because it sure shows you don't know what a lider is or what is in football terms.

and about the HOF comment that someone made I'm a little skeptical on this he has the numbers but I believe he needs to acomplish more to be consider a HOF member he's right now no way a first ballot player in my eyes.

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[quote=D'BOYZ]Well man you're wrong I'm not going to keep talking about the subject because it sure shows you don't know what a lider is or what is in football terms.

and about the HOF comment that someone made I'm a little skeptical on this he has the numbers but I believe he needs to acomplish more to be consider a HOF member he's right now no way a first ballot player in my eyes.[/quote]

You're right I don't know what a lider is. You tell me what a [B][U]leader[/U][/B] is in your own words and in football terms.

HOF - please.

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]So in your opinion a leader is a player that Won a Superbowl or lead it's team to a superbowl victory? so there are no leaders in your team? and yes he lost his job to uuuhhh a 3 time SB champion it's not like he lost it to Ryan Leaf.

Man just because there's are rivally between teams you have to bring ridiculus arguments man come un be better then that, or just say dallas Sucks is a smarter comment that what you just said.

No leaders hahaha.[/QUOTE]

If you want to compare qbs, well Brunell is coming off a playoff berth and two wins over Bledsoe. Bledsoe is coming off a 4000 yd season and two losses to Brunell.

Bledsoe didn't lose his job to a 3 time SB champion. He lost it to Tom Brady, 6th round pick, who then went on to win 3 SBs. The way you put it its like he lost it to Joe Montana, when in fact he lost his job to his backup. Brunell lost his job to a 1st round pick (Byron Leftwich), so it happens.

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[quote=D'BOYZ]Well man you're wrong I'm not going to keep talking about the subject because it sure shows you don't know what a lider is or what is in football terms.

and about the HOF comment that someone made I'm a little skeptical on this he has the numbers but I believe he needs to acomplish more to be consider a HOF member he's right now no way a first ballot player in my eyes.[/quote]

You want to know what a leader is in football terms: google Joe Gibbs.

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[quote=D'BOYZ]No leaders hahaha.[/quote]

No wait, I should be the one laughing. hahaha

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[quote=warriorzpath]You want to know what a leader is in football terms: google Joe Gibbs.[/quote]


MAN JOE GIBBS.............. GOD you get dumber by the minute last time I checked he's a coach not a player we're talking players ..... so if J.Gibbs is your leader in the offense then I guess Parcell is in ours damn you just don't have nothing to say quit it admit your wrong and let it go.

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TO, Bledsoe, Parcells, Cowboys = Anti-Gibbs

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[quote=D'BOYZ]MAN JOE GIBBS.............. GOD you get dumber by the minute last time I checked he's a coach not a player we're talking players ..... so if J.Gibbs is your leader in the offense then I guess Parcell is in ours damn you just don't have nothing to say quit it admit your wrong and let it go.[/quote]

leader in football you idiot.

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[quote=D'BOYZ]MAN JOE GIBBS.............. GOD [/quote]

you're right............ football god.

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[quote=memphisskin]If you want to compare qbs, well Brunell is coming off a playoff berth and two wins over Bledsoe. Bledsoe is coming off a 4000 yd season and two losses to Brunell.

Bledsoe didn't lose his job to a 3 time SB champion. He lost it to Tom Brady, 6th round pick, who then went on to win 3 SBs. The way you put it its like he lost it to Joe Montana, when in fact he lost his job to his backup. Brunell lost his job to a 1st round pick (Byron Leftwich), so it happens.[/quote]

Memphis I wasn't compering QB's he said that the problem with Dallas is that Dallas doesn't have a leader in their offense wich I clarify that bledsoe it's the leader in our offense.

And he lsot his job to the backup that replaced and won the SB that year and remember Bledsoe won the Division Championship game that took them to the SB, so if your backup performs like brady did well offcourse you're going to lose your job.

That doesn't mean Bledsoe isn't a top player.

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[quote=D'BOYZ]Memphis I wasn't compering QB's he said that the problem with Dallas is that Dallas doesn't have a leader in their offense wich I clarify that bledsoe it's the leader in our offense.

And he lsot his job to the backup that replaced and won the SB that year and remember Bledsoe won the Division Championship game that took them to the SB, so if your backup performs like brady did well offcourse you're going to lose your job.

That doesn't mean Bledsoe isn't a top player.[/quote]

You didn't answer the f'n question: What do you think a leader is?

or lider , potato, tomato - same thing. God, I can't believe you called me dumb - that's really an insult coming from you.

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[quote=memphisskin]If you want to compare qbs, well Brunell is coming off a playoff berth and two wins over Bledsoe. Bledsoe is coming off a 4000 yd season and two losses to Brunell.

Bledsoe didn't lose his job to a 3 time SB champion. He lost it to Tom Brady, 6th round pick, who then went on to win 3 SBs. The way you put it its like he lost it to Joe Montana, when in fact he lost his job to his backup. Brunell lost his job to a 1st round pick (Byron Leftwich), so it happens.[/quote]

First of all, he didn't lose his job due to performance. He lost it because he was drilled and was bleeding internally. When he came back Brady was playing flawlessly and was going into the playoffs. If YOU remember, Bledsoe came in against the steelers (i think) in the playoffs and if it wasn't for his performance in that game (Brady was injured) they wouldn't have gone to the superbowl. So lets give it a rest with the bashing of a guy who has had a better than average life as an NFL QB. Brunell, also lost his job when he was injured. Plus management wanted to go with youth. Bledsoe and Brady you can't compare to that situation, two totally different reasonings.

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[quote=#56fanatic]First of all, he didn't lose his job due to performance. He lost it because he was drilled and was bleeding internally. When he came back Brady was playing flawlessly and was going into the playoffs. If YOU remember, Bledsoe came in against the steelers (i think) in the playoffs and if it wasn't for his performance in that game (Brady was injured) they wouldn't have gone to the superbowl. So lets give it a rest with the bashing of a guy who has had a better than average life as an NFL QB. Brunell, also lost his job when he was injured. Plus management wanted to go with youth. Bledsoe and Brady you can't compare to that situation, two totally different reasonings.[/quote]

Are you sticking up for Bledsoe ? Bledsoe of all people - say emmitt smith or even Parcells, but Bledsoe ?

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[quote=#56fanatic]First of all, he didn't lose his job due to performance. He lost it because he was drilled and was bleeding internally. When he came back Brady was playing flawlessly and was going into the playoffs. If YOU remember, Bledsoe came in against the steelers (i think) in the playoffs and if it wasn't for his performance in that game (Brady was injured) they wouldn't have gone to the superbowl. So lets give it a rest with the bashing of a guy who has had a better than average life as an NFL QB. Brunell, also lost his job when he was injured. Plus management wanted to go with youth. Bledsoe and Brady you can't compare to that situation, two totally different reasonings.[/quote]



:goodjob: :goodjob: :woot: :woot: excellent post

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When I bash Bledsoe - I really believe he sucks. That's the gibbs honest truth.

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[quote=#56fanatic]First of all, he didn't lose his job due to performance. He lost it because he was drilled and was bleeding internally. When he came back Brady was playing flawlessly and was going into the playoffs. If YOU remember, Bledsoe came in against the steelers (i think) in the playoffs and if it wasn't for his performance in that game (Brady was injured) they wouldn't have gone to the superbowl. So lets give it a rest with the bashing of a guy who has had a better than average life as an NFL QB. Brunell, also lost his job when he was injured. Plus management wanted to go with youth. Bledsoe and Brady you can't compare to that situation, two totally different reasonings.[/quote]

Bledsoe was created to be a great backup, but leader of an offense - hellz no.

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so ms. dubois - where's my [I]lider[/I] answer ?

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warriorz, you're arguing without any valid reason anymore, statistically bledsoe is not a terrible quarterback thats just like saying the cowboys are awful because you dont like them, it just doesnt make any sense just admit that you're in the wrong cuz this thread is going nowhere

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[quote=Hail2theskins]warriorz, you're arguing without any valid reason anymore just admit that you're in the wrong cuz this thread is going nowhere[/quote]

Thxs man I just got bored of him and the sad thing is that he made a good thread just plain Dull

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Yeah it seems like this is getting childish. We are a fourm of informed fans. This horse has been beat dead.

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[quote=Hail2theskins]warriorz, you're arguing without any valid reason anymore just admit that you're in the wrong cuz this thread is going nowhere[/quote]

I'm wrong - okay bledsoe is a great leader - eck that left a bad taste in my mouth. nope that didn't work.

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[quote=NAVYSKINSFAN]Yeah it seems like this is getting childish. We are a fourm of informed fans. This horse has been beat dead.[/quote]

wow holier than thou - please see lavar, ramsey, question 3, etc. threads. Just having a little fun at the expense of a cowboys fan, one that can barely spell I might add.

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bledsoe is still a top 15 qb right now. he's not peyton or brady, but he's better than nothing, or ken dorsey for sure.

just cause he's a cowboy doesn't make him terrible, and if you honestly think losing your job to tom brady makes you a crappy qb, well, you should stop smoking crack. not everyone can be a top 3 QB in the NFL.

bashing aimlessly for the sake of wasting time or whatnot is fairly pointless. if you think a leader has to win super bowls, then we don't have one either, unless you consider a guy like david patten to be our leader, which would be retarded.

if you think gibbs is our leader, well, parcells has been there too. if you can't play nice and be reasonable, and you have to turn to basless flaming instead, please don't do it here.

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If Bledsoe gets hurt they're screwed. QB depth:

1. Bledsoe
2. Tony Romo
3. Drew Henson

He's in his 14th season of his career. It's not unlikely that he will miss some games this upcoming season.

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[quote=That Guy]bledsoe is still a top 15 qb right now. he's not peyton or brady, but he's better than nothing, or ken dorsey for sure.

just cause he's a cowboy doesn't make him terrible, and if you honestly think losing your job to tom brady makes you a crappy qb, well, you should stop smoking crack. not everyone can be a top 3 QB in the NFL.
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Is Bledsoe really a top 15 QB? Maybe fantasywise. But he certainly is no Brunell and I would take Eli over him. McNabb has playmaking potential, so I would rank him over Bledsoe as well. So I believe, objectively, that Drew is the worst QB in our division, and I think top 15 may be pushing it. The guy has never been impressive when faced with adversity (unlike McNabb or Brunell, and it's too early to tell on Eli). He's a veteran who has the experience to lead an NFL team, but he doesn't strike me as a winner, at least not anymore.

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[quote=GTripp0012]Is Bledsoe really a top 15 QB? Maybe fantasywise. But he certainly is no Brunell and I would take Eli over him. McNabb has playmaking potential, so I would rank him over Bledsoe as well. So I believe, objectively, that Drew is the worst QB in our division, and I think top 15 may be pushing it. The guy has never been impressive when faced with adversity (unlike McNabb or Brunell, and it's too early to tell on Eli). He's a veteran who has the experience to lead an NFL team, but he doesn't strike me as a winner, at least not anymore.[/quote]

[url]http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/PYDS/2005/regular[/url]

name everyone that's better than him. 8th in yards, 8th in TDs, 17th in rating, BUT his OL was absolute shit. brunell was 14th, 8th, and 13th. bledsoe is error prone and slow, but he's not total crap... not yet.

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[quote=That Guy][URL="http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/PYDS/2005/regular"]http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/PYDS/2005/regular[/URL]

name everyone that's better than him. 8th in yards, 8th in TDs, 17th in rating, BUT his OL was absolute shit. brunell was 14th, 8th, and 13th.[/quote]A lot of this will get opinional, but here's who I think is better than Drew for the 2006 season:

Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Carson Palmer
Matt Hasselbeck
Trent Green
Ben Roethlisberger
Mark Brunell
Drew Brees
Jake Delhomme
Marc Bulger
Kurt Warner
Brett Favre
Eli Manning
Donovan McNabb
Brad Johnson
Steve McNair
Michael Vick

Because this list is 100% mine, I left off some names of QBs who I believe are a bit overrated such as Plummer and Leftwich. But I'm sure a lot of people here could come up with a top 15 list that doesn't include Bledsoe.

Bledsoe has top career QB stats due to longevity, which is a credit to him, but being around as long as he has with his rep, one would expect more than one trip to the SB. The guy hasn't even started a playoff game since 1997 (8 years). So the winning just isn't there.

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sorry double post.

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HA, man the hostility in the air huh. At least its nice to see people are still passionate about there teams, but this quarterback controversy needs to stop. If one area in our division is weak, i would say it would be at the quarterback position, so you cant just go on and say bledsoe sucks and is not a leader, because to be honest with you im not totally sold on brunell as a leader or as my starting qb for that matter, in essence your both talking about the same guy. Both are nearing the ends of the nfl careers, both pocket passers and need time to throw and both are being groomed to be replaced. If you look at brunells numbers last year not all that impressive, it was manly our defense that kept us in games.