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[quote=number21isabadman]what about espy what do you guys think his chances are to making the final roster, looks pretty impressive now.[/quote]

below zero. he might make the practice squad, but i doubt he beats out thrash on ST, and that's the only way he'd have any chance.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I thought we had a pretty decent offense last year, I mean it only produced individual records in receiving and rushing. ;)

TJ has had plenty of opportunities to step up. Bottom line is he hasn't, I'd be really surprised to see him on the opening day roster. But then again stranger things have happened.[/QUOTE]


Individual play doesn't win campionship's as we saw how easy it is to take away a primary option in the playoffs, I was wondering if we set some kind of offensive futility record for the post season, our last 3 games were horrific offensivly.

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I think he stays and Thrash goes packing.

[quote]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72
I thought we had a pretty decent offense last year, I mean it only produced individual records in receiving and rushing.

TJ has had plenty of opportunities to step up. Bottom line is he hasn't, I'd be really surprised to see him on the opening day roster. But then again stranger things have happened.
[/quote]

I know in the Dallas game he was more than open a few times and Brunell didn't even look his way.

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[quote=offiss]Individual play doesn't win campionship's as we saw how easy it is to take away a primary option in the playoffs, I was wondering if we set some kind of offensive futility record for the post season, our last 3 games were horrific offensivly.[/quote]

I'm not overlooking the last 3 games, but looking at the big picture overall we made some pretty good strides offensively and finished 11th overall in total offense.

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[quote=Daseal]I think he stays and Thrash goes packing.



I know in the Dallas game he was more than open a few times and Brunell didn't even look his way.[/quote]

A QB needs to have confidence in his WRs, something tells me Brunell didn't have much confidence in him. The few times that he did go his way, he didn't do anything.

Against Seattle in the playoffs Brunell went to him on one of the first plays of the game and he flat out dropped it. That's not going to win you many more looks, fair or not.

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What exactly did Patten do to be called a whiner?

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thats what i would like to know as well, besides bringing another dimension to opposing defenses.

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Is the Pope Catholic?

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moss,el,loyd,patten and thrash. there u have it. the final cut. jacobs is truly wasting time and space at this point.he really let me down. i had alot faith in him, and he does look great at camp, but the guy is soft on game day. tj had every chance last season to prove he belongs here. he did as much as i did for the passing game last year.as a matter of fact, i probaly did MORE than him.

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Taylor Hicks has a better chance of being a Redskin than Jacobs.

Seriously though, there's just no place for TJ anymore.

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Pardon my ignorance, as i do not know who Taylor Hicks is. And for all I know Taylor Hicks is a female. But one thing I do know, whoever Taylor Hicks is, TAFKAS your right on the money!

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[QUOTE=SkinEmAll]Pardon my ignorance, as i do not know who Taylor Hicks is. And for all I know Taylor Hicks is a female. But one thing I do know, whoever Taylor Hicks is, TAFKAS your right on the money![/QUOTE]

Hicks is the newest American Idol.

Let me rephrase it. Taylor Jacobs has a better chance of being the next American Idol than he does of winning a roster spot on the Redskins

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]A QB needs to have confidence in his WRs, something tells me Brunell didn't have much confidence in him. The few times that he did go his way, he didn't do anything.

Against Seattle in the playoffs Brunell went to him on one of the first plays of the game and he flat out dropped it. That's not going to win you many more looks, fair or not.[/QUOTE]


The problem with Brunell is not confidance in his recievers particularly Jacobs, but Brunell wont take the hit any longer, that was the knock on him when the Jags were about to cut him, he is afraid to be hit at this stage of his career, so all he does is looks for his primary [Moss] if he's covered it's Cooley or throw it away, he wont hang in there to go to a 3rd or 4th WR. Jacobs hasen't helped himself by not being able to stay on the field but I do think he has a lot lot more to offer other than what we have seen up till now.

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[quote=offiss] Jacobs hasen't helped himself by not being able to stay on the field but I do think he has a lot lot more to offer other than what we have seen up till now.[/quote]

What does he have to offer? He has had more than one chance to prove himself. He had the rest of last season after Patten went down, and especially when Thrash was also hurt. Depth players are always waiting for the #1 guy to miss some playing time so they can get theirs. And either you have what it takes or you dont. TJ dont. Depth chart for WR:
Moss, LLoyd, El, Patten, Thrash, Taylor Hicks.

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David Patten can add a lot as a receiver if healthy, and he is excited and eager to compete with his younger teammates. He adds experience which can be helpful in different ways as well. Patten will make the team ostensibly as the 5th receiver.

James Thrash is a very fine person with an outstanding work ethic. However, his time is coming to an end as a professional football player in my view. He could catch on with another team, but unless we keep 6 wide receivers, it is not likely to be with the Redskins.

Taylor Jacobs has a lot of talent, but has been apparently unable to establish self-confidence on the field in games. Perhaps the shock of being cut will motivate him to overcome this problem on another team. But there really is no place for a player who has struggled so much at a position where we are suddenly one of the most talented in the NFL at.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Individual play doesn't win campionship's as we saw how easy it is to take away a primary option in the playoffs, I was wondering if we set some kind of offensive futility record for the post season, our last 3 games were horrific offensivly.[/QUOTE]

Well, perhaps if Jacobs had stepped up and provided a viable second option to Moss, then our offense might have actually been able to produce.

That Jacobs has hung on this long is more a statement as to our lack of WR depth in the past than to his talent.

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Many guys here keep talking about TJ's raw talent and potential. I agree that he has these things. What he doesn't have is the heart. His fatal flaw seems to be that he waits for the ball instead of taking ownership while it is in the air. That is a very hard thing to coach out of someone.

The question is if Saunders thinks he can push him to the next level.

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[quote=offiss]The problem with Brunell is not confidance in his recievers particularly Jacobs, but Brunell wont take the hit any longer, that was the knock on him when the Jags were about to cut him, he is afraid to be hit at this stage of his career, so all he does is looks for his primary [Moss] if he's covered it's Cooley or throw it away, he wont hang in there to go to a 3rd or 4th WR. Jacobs hasen't helped himself by not being able to stay on the field but I do think he has a lot lot more to offer other than what we have seen up till now.[/quote]

I guess we'll see how much of his throwing the ball away was due to what he was being asked to do in the offense vs. his not wanting to take a hit.

I'd say it's hard to hang in the pocket for your 3rd and 4th option when those options are the likes of Taylor Jacobs and Jimmy Farris.

We didn't have any depth at WR last year, it was Moss and then Cooley as the main options. This year there will be no excuses. If Brunell is still throwing it away after looking at just his first two reads I'll buy this notion that he's scared to take a hit. Until then, my take is he was doing what he was asked to do and was limited by the lack of depth at WR.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I guess we'll see how much of his throwing the ball away was due to what he was being asked to do in the offense vs. his not wanting to take a hit.

I'd say it's hard to hang in the pocket for your 3rd and 4th option when those options are the likes of Taylor Jacobs and Jimmy Farris.

We didn't have any depth at WR last year, it was Moss and then Cooley as the main options. This year there will be no excuses. If Brunell is still throwing it away after looking at just his first two reads I'll buy this notion that he's scared to take a hit. Until then, my take is he was doing what he was asked to do and was limited by the lack of depth at WR.[/QUOTE]


The problem is with that argument is there are comments from others on this board who attended the games [daseal] who have stated that Jacobs was getting open but Brunell would never look his way, and for all the Patten fans out there they were all wondering what was wrong with him before he went down because he wasen't producing as he was in New England, and that includes Patten himself, funny how a 3 time SB champ and a big play reciver for those teams was doing nothing other than a decoy for Moss. There was a reason Patten was voicing his disapointment before he was injured, you can't step up and become a second option reciever if the QB doesn't look your way, it's Moss then check down to the short route in Cooley, Brunell not only wants to get rid of the ball immediatly so he wont be hit, he doesn't have the arm to legitimatly get the ball downfield, once the reciever gets a certain distance he has to put to much air under the ball which allows to much recovery time for the defense.

But Saunders might be the biggest plus for Brunell, he uses timing Patterns in which the QB will throw to a spot before the reciever reveals his break which is very difficult to defend and if Brunell is smart enough this offense will allow him to get rid of the ball quicker. But he will still have to hang in the pocket for the second and third options is he willing to do that at this stage of his career?

A reciever can not alway's be blamed for lack of production, team concept, and a legitamate QB are also a major factor, Moss is case and point, living here in jersey I follwed his career and when we traded for him I said the jets didn't know what they had because Pennington couldn't reach the guy with that rag arm of his, did anyone see Moss having the kind of season he had for us? I know the Jets didn't.

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Can Jacobs kick off?

If so, he has a place on the team. Not as a receiver though...

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[QUOTE=offiss]A reciever can not alway's be blamed for lack of production, team concept, and a legitamate QB are also a major factor, Moss is case and point, living here in jersey I follwed his career and when we traded for him I said the jets didn't know what they had because Pennington couldn't reach the guy with that rag arm of his, did anyone see Moss having the kind of season he had for us? I know the Jets didn't.[/QUOTE]

Your first sentence is true. But it makes no sense to compare Moss to Jacobs. Moss had put some decent numbers in his career before exploding last year. TJ hasn't done anything. Secondly, you say Pennington couldn't reach Moss because of that rag arm of his. But then Moss did great when he joined the Skins. But how could he if Brunell has a weak arm as well? I don't get it

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Patten didn't get many looks because let's face it, early on Moss was red-hot.

Like I said, we'll see how a new offensive philosophy and depth at WR changes things in the passing game.

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[quote=TAFKAS]Your first sentence is true. But it makes no sense to compare Moss to Jacobs. Moss had put some decent numbers in his career before exploding last year. TJ hasn't done anything. Secondly, you say Pennington couldn't reach Moss because of that rag arm of his. But then Moss did great when he joined the Skins. But how could he if Brunell has a weak arm as well? I don't get it[/quote]

I'll tell you what he's going to say. Moss did it all on his own. In spite of Brunell's horrible play, Moss somehow managed to have a career season. All the credit to Moss, none to Brunell.

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Isn't it cool how this thread has morphed??? Damn...................if we could just get Ramsey back!

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[quote=Hog1]Isn't it cool how this thread has morphed??? Damn...................if we could just get Ramsey back![/quote]

At least we still have Arrington.

Or not...

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Sage Wisdom

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[quote=Hog1]Sage Wisdom[/quote]

As in Rosenfels?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I'll tell you what he's going to say. Moss did it all on his own. In spite of Brunell's horrible play, Moss somehow managed to have a career season. All the credit to Moss, none to Brunell.[/QUOTE]


Well theres a lot of truth to that, how many short passes did Moss turn into big plays? He made a lot of yards on those WR screens he was running 5 times a game, Moss's season could have been even better than it was, how many balls did we see Brunell underthrow when he blantanly had the defense beat? And that was a big part of our offensive problems, teams didn't believe Brunell could beat them deep so they brought 8 men into the box, covered the short patterns knowing they could recover in time on the deep passes, Aikman touched on that very point during a game, and what he said was that recievers were breaking open downfield but by the time they do they are to far for Brunells arm to get the ball to them effectivly. Lets face it the guy is an NFL QB he's going to complete passes, but is he efficient enough to beat quality teams and win a championship, he did nothing the last 3 games of the season, and yes that was against quality teams. 3 tough defenses with very good defensive schemes, Brunell might as well have been throwing with his right arm.

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I didn't realize the NFL season is now 3 games.

love it!

:cheeky-sm

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I agree, anyone who thinks brunell is the long term qb anwser, jason cambell begs the differ. Not only will brunell loose his starting job about midway into the season do to injury or possibly just getting beat out for the starting roll due to inconsistency. I agree that he came up big for us last year in clutch times but if it had not been for moss and portis our offense would be been non-existent.

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I agree, anyone who thinks brunell is the long term qb anwser, jason cambell begs the differ. Not only will brunell loose his starting job about midway into the season do to injury or possibly just getting beat out for the starting roll due to inconsistency. I agree that he came up big for us last year in clutch times but if it had not been for moss and portis our offense would be been non-existent.

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jacobs just sucks. even patten averaged a ton more production per game than him as a starter (and they both started multiple games).

get over it.

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Can Taylor Jacobs play special teams? Can he play defensive back? If not---------> CUT!

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins]Can Taylor Jacobs play special teams? Can he play defensive back? If not---------> CUT![/quote]

Didn't he block a puntr recover one for a TD in Detroit in 2004? I'd rather see us try to trade him to a team in real need of a(ny) receiver than jsut cut him. I agree that he has done nothing with his chances here and maybe he just needs to get to another team (or go back to the ole ball coach).

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]What exactly did Patten do to be called a whiner?[/QUOTE]

Through the first half of the year when he was healthy, there were comments from him about not being more involved with the offense -- not being a primary target in the passing game.

Then, he complained about being placed on injured reserve -- ending his season -- when he had healed enough to go back out and play towards the end of the season. Gibbs had to put him on IR because he couldn't have left a spot on the roster open for that amount of time due to the NFL's roster rules.

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Lets see 3 years 30 catches for a little over 300 yards. I think we could go to a high school pick a WR and get more production. Hes outa here.

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[quote=number21isabadman]I agree, anyone who thinks brunell is the long term qb anwser, jason cambell begs the differ. Not only will brunell loose his starting job about midway into the season do to injury or possibly just getting beat out for the starting roll due to inconsistency. I agree that he came up big for us last year in clutch times but if it had not been for moss and portis our offense would be been non-existent.[/quote]

Just an observation,
I (personally) have not heard anyone suggest that Brunell is the long term solution. The Skins have not hesitated to announce to the media at every oppurtunity that JC is the future of the francise. Time will if Brunell gets replaced this season. I do agree that Brunell did come up BIG for us last year. I also agree that if you take away the entire recieving, and rushing corps, that would present an Offensive dilemma. What team would it not?

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz]Didn't he block a puntr recover one for a TD in Detroit in 2004? I'd rather see us try to trade him to a team in real need of a(ny) receiver than jsut cut him. I agree that he has done nothing with his chances here and maybe he just needs to get to another team (or go back to the ole ball coach).[/quote]

ya he did. i think its too late to trade him though. his advantages are his speed, but he cant break away from defenders. his hands are decent but not consistent. much like antonio brown who could break away from defenders but couldnt catch the ball. see the ravens preseason game :spank: . --------------------------- CUT

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[quote=Hog1]Just an observation,
I (personally) have not heard anyone suggest that Brunell is the long term solution. The Skins have not hesitated to announce to the media at every oppurtunity that JC is the future of the francise. Time will if Brunell gets replaced this season. I do agree that Brunell did come up BIG for us last year. I also agree that if you take away the entire recieving, and rushing corps, that would present an Offensive dilemma. What team would it not?[/quote]

Well said.

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[QUOTE=Hog1] I do agree that Brunell did come up BIG for us last year. [/QUOTE]


The first cowgirl game comes to mind immediately. M. Brunell had/has zip on those throws downfield!

Speaking of Patten!

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