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[quote=JWsleep]Wow. Hope he's alright, but no one to blame but himself. My father in law rides without a helmet, and tried to tell me that in crashes, helmets don't save lives. Maybe at 60mph, but at 30 when you land on your FACE, you better believe a helmet makes all the differnce between getting up and walking away, and going into surgery.

Note to Ben: ride AFTER your NFL career. Why risk the dream job that SO many strive for? WHy let all your fans and teammates down becuase you like the feel of the wind through your hair? Man.[/quote]

Tell dad in law, he is DEAD wrong. I have done quite a bit of motorcycle "roadracing", and many years of street riding. I have been in many track related crash's, and a couple on the street (always with the most expensive helmet on my head). Some of these occurred over 100 mph. Three of these crash's have been potentially "terminal". I had to dispose of the helmet in each of these instance's because the impact to my head, split or terminally damaged the helmet. I would not be writing this if not for the helmet. Good equipment changes all the rules. Tell dad in law not to "Hit the silk" with no chute

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[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2481004[/url]

ESPN: It's not the law in Pennsylvania to wear a helmet. Why don't you wear a helmet?
Roethlisberger: Because you don't have to. It's not the law. If it was the law, I'd definitely have one on every time I rode. But it's the law and I know I don't have to and your just more free when you're out there with no helmet on.

That about sums it up right there. Common sense takes a back seat to the wind blowing in your face and "it's not the law" Granted, he wasn't popping wheelies or doing doughnuts in an empty parking lot a la KW II but still the very least you can do is just put the helmet on. So even if the accident isn't his fault, at least he's taking measures to be as safe as possible

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Among the injuries being reported broken jaw, gashes to forehead, lacerations to the back of the head, and an injury (not serious) to the knee. Probably about a 7 week recovery period

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that puts him back in time for the preseason

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I don't get the idea because he is a football player he should wait to ride a MC after his carrer is over. Waht about every person who rides a bike and the people that depend on them co workers, children, wife etc..We all must make the decisions or what risk we will take regardless of our job. I loved riding dirt bike for years but I drew the line when it comes to riding on the road. My problem with street riding is that another person can take you out and with dirt bike riding 99.99% of the time its the riders fault. Ben should be smart enough to know better than riding without a helmet its just one important step to help protect yourself if you choose to ride. A good friend of mine work in the emergency room doing major surgery and he says that bikers keep in and business.

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I bet someone in the PA house/senate is working a new law requiring helmets for riders.

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[quote=saden1]I bet someone in the PA house/senate is working a new law requiring helmets for riders.[/quote]and not because he cares about safety but he is probably a season ticket holder

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[quote=firstdown]I don't get the idea because he is a football player he should wait to ride a MC after his carrer is over. [/quote]

I have to agree with you.

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[quote=warriorzpath]I do think that some people are going to reconsider riding bikes because of this. I just think that some people really aren't aware that motorcycles are that dangerous. To me, a car cutting off another car is dangerous in itself - but a car cutting off a motorcycle is much more life-threatening because of vulnerability and also a less likelihood of being aware that the motorcycle is even there. And of course, there are dangers with driving cars - but there is more of a danger to your life when you ride a motorcycle because you don't have the same protection of airbags, seatbelts, or even the physical car itself. Not to mention, motorcycles are smaller and thus less visible.

And I'm not condemning anybody for riding motorcycles - I just don't think they are aware of the dangers all of the time.[/quote]

MC's are statistically more dangerous than cages on a miles ridden basis, and I am not arguing that. That does not make an MC inherently dangerous. People, and their poor decisions are dangerous. What is dangerous is soccer mom's in giant SUV's with cellphones plastered to their ear trying to occupy the same lane I'm in without looking.

What I am arguing is that riders know the risk. What they choose to do with that knowledge is up to them. Even the boneheads who ride around in flipflops and shorts w/no helmet. They know...they just have made a decision about their risk tolerance. Would they make a different decision after a low-speed crash w/significant injuries such as Ben's situation...maybe, but they can't say they didn't know the risks. As such I do not support laws that govern mandatory safety equipment when engaged in private activities, just like I don't support laws that inhibit your right to buy a pack of cigs, a bag of pork rinds, or a bottle of jack, despite the inherent health risks.

For what it's worth I have been riding in D.C./NoVA traffic daily for 10 years without an even close call (knock on wood). In that same time, I have been in two accidents in cages (both due to other driver hitting me). What does that mean...nothing, just that perception is not always reality. If they didn't look/see my big ass car then what I am driving/riding is irrelevant. People generally don't look, so I ride like I am invisible to all around me.

For what its worth I always ride with a full face helmet and full high-vis gear. Ben would have likely walked away from this incident with nary a scratch had he been geared up properly, but we'll never know.

Mc2guy

P.S. As for your last power, we are in agreement. I would not ride if my multi-million dollar career depended on me being in physically top condition. Personally, a riding related injury would slow me down, but it would not end my career and that factors into my decision to ride. It should have factored into his.

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[quote=firstdown] My problem with street riding is that another person can take you out and with dirt bike riding 99.99% of the time its the riders fault. [/quote]

Firstdown, you are right. I am not a motorcycle rider, but my father who will be 62 next month is. He has been in 3 wrecks on a bike in his life and all of them were a result of other drivers, not him. People just don't watch out for bikers at all. My dad sold his bike after his last wreck, because he is just scared of other drivers now. Not because he is scared of riding.

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Update from Pittsburgh live.com

"...
Roethlisberger lost most of his teeth, fractured his left sinus cavity bone, suffered a nine-inch laceration to the back of his head and a broken jaw, and severely injured both of his knees when he hit the ground, police said. ..."

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this just in..... pittsburgh does not repeat

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[quote=Mc2guy]For what it's worth I have been riding in D.C./NoVA traffic daily for 10 years without an even close call (knock on wood). In that same time, I have been in two accidents in cages (both due to other driver hitting me). [B]What does that mean...[/B]nothing, just that perception is not always reality. If they didn't look/see my big ass car then what I am driving/riding is irrelevant. People generally don't look, so I ride like I am invisible to all around me.[/quote]

From my viewpoint, it means that you were lucky. You were lucky because if you were riding your motorcycle during the accidents, you could have been injured or injured more seriously.

Would you agree that you can be hurt more in an accident when you are riding a motorcycle versus driving a car ?

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To me, it's not about the chances of getting into an accident with a car or motorcycle (that's debatable, or maybe not with stats).

It's about which vehicle would be considered to be inherently safer in an accident: car or motorcycle ? ... in other words, which would you choose to be an accident in: car or motorcycle ?

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[quote=TAFKAS]Among the injuries being reported broken jaw, gashes to forehead, lacerations to the back of the head, and an injury (not serious) to the knee. Probably about a 7 week recovery period[/quote]

7 Weeks? IF what is being what is being reported is accurate, there is no way he plays this year.

NFL QBs only have so many shots to the head they can take. This may have used up all he has.

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[quote=RiggoRules]7 Weeks? IF what is being what is being reported is accurate, there is no way he plays this year.

NFL QBs only have so many shots to the head they can take. This may have used up all he has.[/quote]

I agree, that sounds a lot worse than what they were saying eariler today.

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I pray that he will be OK. I found out 20 minutes ago when my steeler friend called and was horrified. I slept till 4 and sadly missed the world cup. He should have been wearing a helmet. He is a dumbass. His knees still may have been injured but it is clear other injuries would have been far less serious, broken jaw, 9 inch cut, loss of a lot of teeth. I think he will live and that is the important thing. Lets hope he has a full recovery

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Didn't he already have some kind of knee problems? Regardless, the knee injuries will probably prove to be much more problematic than anything else.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz]Didn't he already have some kind of knee problems? Regardless, the knee injuries will probably prove to be much more problematic than anything else.[/quote]yeah, he did. knee problems really never go away. just ask terrel davis. we dont know what happened to his knees but any knee injury is career threatening

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9 inch laceration in the back of the head? That sounds like a pretty big gash...ah, who needs a helmet. I wonder how he'll manage to wear a football helmet in 7 weeks and comfortably take hits where his head hits hits grass.

p.s. [URL="http://espn-att.starwave.com/photo/2006/0612/nfl_a_roethlisbergerbike_275.jpg"]This[/URL] sure has hell doesn't look like a Harley/Chopper/Cruiser. I wonder what it is.

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Roethlisberger's 2005 Suzuki Hayabusa, which is named after a Japanese bird of prey, was totaled. The 170-horsepower bike, which weighs 500 pounds fully loaded, was targeted by law enforcement agencies worldwide after its 1998 debut because it could reach a top speed of 189 mph.

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[QUOTE=saden1]9 inch laceration in the back of the head? That sounds like a pretty big gash...ah, who needs a helmet. I wonder how he'll manage to wear a football helmet in 7 weeks and comfortably take hits where his head hits hits grass.

p.s. [URL="http://espn-att.starwave.com/photo/2006/0612/nfl_a_roethlisbergerbike_275.jpg"]This[/URL] sure has hell doesn't look like a Harley/Chopper/Cruiser. I wonder what it is.[/QUOTE]

Looks like a 2007 Crotch Rocket to me....

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28]Roethlisberger's 2005 Suzuki Hayabusa, which is named after a Japanese bird of prey, was totaled. The 170-horsepower bike, which weighs 500 pounds fully loaded, was targeted by law enforcement agencies worldwide after its 1998 debut because it could reach a top speed of 189 mph.[/quote]there is absolutely no reason that a bike that can go that fast should be allowed on public roads. that thing is a death trap. if you feel the need to go that fast than you should do it on a race track.

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[quote=gibbsisgod]there is absolutely no reason that a bike that can go that fast should be allowed on public roads. that thing is a death trap. if you feel the need to go that fast than you should do it on a race track.[/quote]

What kind of car do you drive? Can it exceed the national speed limit of 75mph? Under your logic all corvettes, ferraris, lambo's, BMW's, Mercedes, etc. have no business on public roads. They can all do well in excess of 150 MPH.

Owning a bike that has that power, does not mean you have to use it recklessly, just like owning a vette doesn't mean you have to drive 180.

Mc2guy

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Is there any truth that one of his eyes is what the operation was about?

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Just think. Antwaan Randle El was just a helmetless motorcycle rider away from being this much closer to lining up behind center for the Steelers

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[quote=RedskinPete]Is there any truth that one of his eyes is what the operation was about?[/quote] I guess it was for the broken sinus cavity which i think is right there below the eye so it could be very well for that.

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[quote=Mc2guy]What kind of car do you drive? Can it exceed the national speed limit of 75mph? Under your logic all corvettes, ferraris, lambo's, BMW's, Mercedes, etc. have no business on public roads. They can all do well in excess of 150 MPH.

Owning a bike that has that power, does not mean you have to use it recklessly, just like owning a vette doesn't mean you have to drive 180.

Mc2guy[/quote]my kia minivan has never exceeded 75 mph i'll have you know.

on a serious note, i was talking about motorcycles but cars that go that can go that fast should have govenors on them too. if you want to go that fast you are putting everyone on the road in danger.
i know that this comment will draw some criticism but lets be real people. if the law says you can only go so fast then they should regulate a cars ability to break that limit

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[quote=gibbsisgod]my kia minivan has never exceeded 75 mph i'll have you know.

on a serious note, i was talking about motorcycles but cars that go that can go that fast should have govenors on them too. if you want to go that fast you are putting everyone on the road in danger.
i know that this comment will draw some criticism but lets be real people. if the law says you can only go so fast then they should regulate a cars ability to break that limit[/quote]

I'm glad that you are a slow driver, I feel safer because of it, but the question was "can" your car go faster and the answer is yes. Ben was not speeding, that latest reports are saying a car pulled in front of him illegally, so his bike and it's speed potential was irrelevant. Inattention to the task at hand and poor judgement is what kills people in cars AND on bikes not the potential top speed of the vehicle they are piloting.

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980 just reported fractured sinus cavity, broken nose, broken jaw... not sure if that' everything or just some of the injuries.

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[quote=Mc2guy]I'm glad that you are a slow driver, I feel safer because of it, but the question was "can" your car go faster and the answer is yes. Ben was not speeding, that latest reports are saying a car pulled in front of him illegally, so his bike and it's speed potential was irrelevant. Inattention to the task at hand and poor judgement is what kills people in cars AND on bikes not the potential top speed of the vehicle they are piloting.[/quote]very well stated.
I wasnt condemming Ben for owning a bike that can travel at the speed of light i just dont see the sense in making a bike that can go that fast.(just my opinion)

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If you get on that type of bike with no helmet you have marshmellows in your skull. Possibly some rocks and yogurt. Reports say it wasn't his fault but the simple fact is that many many motorcycle accidents happen exactly the same way. The person in the car just isn't watching out for a two wheeler. He could make it back this year depending on those knees. He's lucky it's not worse and it sounded pretty bad from those injury descriptions.

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[url]http://www.thatvideosite.com/view/2639.html[/url]

meh, atleast they wore helmets

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer][url]http://www.thatvideosite.com/view/2639.html[/url]

meh, atleast they wore helmets[/QUOTE]


Jesus, I just busted a nut looking at that video. The crazy thing about this whole Roethlisberger bike thing is that I am getting a new bike next Saturday.

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[quote=saden1]Jesus, I just busted a nut looking at that video. The crazy thing about this whole Roethlisberger bike thing is that I am getting a new bike next Saturday.[/quote]might i suggest buying a good helmet. If somehow its not in your finacial plans maybe we could have a fundraiser.it would have to have the warpath emblem on it however.

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I don't recall the statistic (didn't look it up), but it's a fact that most car-cycle accidents are caused by the driver of the [U]car[/U]. Either the car driver did not see the cycle, or they misjudged the distance & speed of the bike.

With so many people depending on him, Ben had an obligation to his team and fans to ride responsibly. You can't avoid the risk, but you can take steps to minimize the damage. After Kellen Winslow Jr, you'd think he would know that. :nono: (spoken as someone in his young 50s whose risky days are behind him.)

Wonder if he will wear a helmet now?

Could it be that the theft of his ATVs was the best thing to happen to Sean Taylor?

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This really upsets me, at first guys at the golf course I was playing today (when I heard about it) said he was in critical condition, and my heart just dropped.

How in the hell can you not wear a helmet when riding a motorcycle....you have to be kidding me. He would have walked away from this thing with very very minor injuries with one on....and to be quite frank, I'm trying to figure out how he even survived it.

That being said, I dont think not wearing a helmet makes him "selfish"...I just think it makes him stupid.

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What a friggin idiot.

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He's lucky to be alive.

Click here to see images of the crash site and the remains of the bike. I didn't post an image becuase it's pretty harsh: if you don't want to see blood, DO NOT CLICK.

[URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/pgStory?contentId=5688350&pageNumber=16"]http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/pgStory?contentId=5688350&pageNumber=16[/URL]

Here's a link to FOXSports latest:

[URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5687558"]http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5687558[/URL]

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[quote=JWsleep]He's lucky to be alive.

Click here to see images of the crash site and the remains of the bike. I didn't post an image becuase it's pretty harsh: if you don't want to see blood, DO NOT CLICK.

[URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/pgStory?contentId=5688350&pageNumber=16"]http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/pgStory?contentId=5688350&pageNumber=16[/URL]

Here's a link to FOXSports latest:

[URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5687558"]http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5687558[/URL][/quote]

damn look at all that blood. Why is the blood so close to the motorcycle? How far do you think Ben flew after he hit the car?