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[QUOTE=Hog1]Radio 980 in Washington is reporting strong rumor [/QUOTE]


I think I found the problem with this report! It's only a rumor, coming from Radio 980 and not a reputable source.

And the Boston Hearald isn't the biggest paper in Boston for good reason as well!

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This report is 100% garbage. I can't believe we went to five pages with this thread.

Gibbs has been saying all offseason that David Patten is having a tremendous offseason, and that he looks great. He's not going anywhere, he could still be our #2 WR.

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The only thing missing from this thread is a reference to LennyP's earlier story.

That, and this pencil.

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[quote]Gibbs has been saying all offseason that David Patten is having a tremendous offseason, and that he looks great. He's not going anywhere, he could still be our #2 WR.[/quote]

Isn't this the same thing they say about Taylor Jacobs yet you're ready to toss him out the door too. The difference is Jacobs plays special teams and is much, much cheaper.

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[quote=Daseal]Isn't this the same thing they say about Taylor Jacobs yet you're ready to toss him out the door too. The difference is Jacobs plays special teams and is much, much cheaper.[/quote]

The Taylor Jacobs situation is very different from David Patten's for a couple of reasons:

1) Taylor Jacobs has never done anything in this league. Patten has, he was an effective deep threat for the Pats. So you have to at least give Patten a chance to show that he can be that player again now that his knee is healthy.

2) Jacobs is the epitome of a practice field player. He wows the coaches on the practice field, and then on game-day he can't get anything done. It's because he's a major pussy, when the bullets start flying he hides in his litte shell like a turtle. He had plenty of chances last year to make an impact with Patten and Thrash both banged up. He didn't get it done.

And lastly, how cheap Taylor Jacobs is has nothing to do with anything. The only reason to care about a player's cap figure is when you have other holes to fill on your team. The Skins have only two areas that could use upgrading, IMO. That's the offensive line depth and CB depth. But at this stage of the offseason, there is literally nobody available who would represent an upgrade at those positions (well Ty Law, but we couldn't afford him even if we cut Patten). So, since we can't do any upgrading, cap space is not an issue for us. You simply keep the best player.

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[quote=Schneed10]And lastly, how cheap Taylor Jacobs is has nothing to do with anything. The only reason to care about a player's cap figure is when you have other holes to fill on your team. The Skins have only two areas that could use upgrading, IMO. That's the offensive line depth and CB depth. But at this stage of the offseason, there is literally nobody available who would represent an upgrade at those positions (well Ty Law, but we couldn't afford him even if we cut Patten). So, since we can't do any upgrading, cap space is not an issue for us. You simply keep the best player.[/quote]

Yes! Amen! I have been shouting this same sentiment on the board for a looong time about Patten. We are UNDER the cap. There is NO ONE to sign. Who cares if hes being paid "too much" to be a #4?

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[quote=Daseal]Isn't this the same thing they say about Taylor Jacobs yet you're ready to toss him out the door too. The difference is Jacobs plays special teams and is much, much cheaper.[/quote]Have you heard that patten WON'T play special teams? I haven't heard that myself. If he is willing , then I say keep him regardless of the money. What happens if our WR corps gets decimated with injuries? We will ens up in the same boat as last season. Would you be more comfortable with Jacobs or patten starting if injuries were to dictate that situation?

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[quote=amorentz]Yes! Amen! I have been shouting this same sentiment on the board for a looong time about Patten. We are UNDER the cap. There is NO ONE to sign. Who cares if hes being paid "too much" to be a #4?[/quote]

Yeah. I don't care if it's an inefficient use of Dan Snyder's money. I only care if it's an inefficient use of cap-space. There is a difference between the two.

And keeping Patten would maximize the talent on the team, while keeping the team under the cap. That's efficient use of cap-space.

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[quote=Schneed10]It's because he's a major pussy, when the bullets start flying he hides in his litte shell like a turtle. He had plenty of chances last year to make an impact with Patten and Thrash both banged up. He didn't get it done.[/quote]

"They've got DB's that run 4.3's. I go to run a fly route, and they just turn around and start running. What am I supposed to do about that?"

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[quote=amorentz]Yes! Amen! I have been shouting this same sentiment on the board for a looong time about Patten. We are UNDER the cap. There is NO ONE to sign. Who cares if hes being paid "too much" to be a #4?[/quote]We do have to sign the draft picks, but that shouldn't be too much of a hit with only 2 picks in the first 5 rounds.

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[quote=GTripp0012]We do have to sign the draft picks, but that shouldn't be too much of a hit with only 2 picks in the first 5 rounds.[/quote]

They've already set aside a chunk of money to be able to sign those guys. Even after that, we're still safe under the cap.

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[quote=Southpaw]"They've got DB's that run 4.3's. I go to run a fly route, and they just turn around and start running. What am I supposed to do about that?"[/quote]

HAHAHAHA! "I think I have a concussion."

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Maybe TJ will grow a sack and live up to his potential.

Remember Stephen Davis? He needed some time at FB before he found out how to run with power.

Perhaps TJ needs a similar smack in the face to wake him up.

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[quote=Mattyk72]Maybe TJ will grow a sack and live up to his potential.

Remember Stephen Davis? He needed some time at FB before he found out how to run with power.

Perhaps TJ needs a similar smack in the face to wake him up.[/quote]

What Davis really needed was a beatdown at the hands of resident douchebag Michael Westbrook. I'm a douchebag, and I'd be happy to punch Taylor Jacobs in the face.

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i too am a douchebag, and i volunteer to hold him down for you.

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I think if Jacobs stays on the team, it is because Saunders has found a way to use him somehow differently then how we have been using him in the past. Patten seems like a team player now, but dont you guys remember all that smack he was talking during the season last year? Patten is a good receiver and i would hate to see him go, but couldnt we just trade him, instead of releasing him?

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[quote=dirthogs311][B]I think if Jacobs stays on the team, it is because Saunders has found a way to use him somehow differently then how we have been using him in the past.[/B] Patten seems like a team player now, but dont you guys remember all that smack he was talking during the season last year? Patten is a good receiver and i would hate to see him go, but couldnt we just trade him, instead of releasing him?[/quote]

Maybe as proof that people who LOOK like men can actually have gaping vaginas?

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[QUOTE=dirthogs311]I think if Jacobs stays on the team, it is because Saunders has found a way to use him somehow differently then how we have been using him in the past. Patten seems like a team player now, but dont you guys remember all that smack he was talking during the season last year? Patten is a good receiver and i would hate to see him go, but couldnt we just trade him, instead of releasing him?[/QUOTE]


I would be careful to judge any WR in our offense the previous 2 years, Moss's ability to seperate from defenders regardless of whether or not they knew where he was going is IMO a big reason why he's the only
WR to have any real success within the last 2 years.

What made Patton so great last season? In fact he was complaining about his lack of success in our offense before he pulled a Jacobs and was put on the IR. What made him a desirable commodity was the Patriot offense and Tom Brady, if you believe Jacobs wouldn't be head and shoulders better right now playing in that offense instead of our's the last 2 seaons your only kidding yourself, this season will be a true test for Jacobs, I believe he will excell under Saunders, the only question is can he stay healthy? And that's a big if, but I do believe the talent is there to be a top #4 WR.

I think the battle for the #4 spot will come down to value on specials, as I expect both players to really play well in the pre-season, and the fact that Patton is a veteran looking for significant playing time may winde him up else where but we will see.

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Why is this year the big test for Jacobs vs. last year?

He had his chance last year and simply didn't step up at all. Patten is unquestionably the more accomplished and proven WR. That's not even debateable.

Regarding injuries, Patten had a legitimate injury and the [u]team[/u] put him on IR, he didn't take himself out of a game with a headache like Jacobs did.

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Right, Jacobs might have all or MORE of the physical tools needed, but he just doesn't have it upstairs.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection]Right, Jacobs might have all or MORE of the physical tools needed, but he just doesn't have it upstairs.[/quote]

So we should have sent him to Europe years ago?

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Coming out of Florida you couldn't have convinced me otherwise he would have sucked this much ass. I was one of the last people to fall off the Jacobs-bangwagon last year too. I think Daseal is the lone driver. I think we all gave him chance after chance and he never put up. When you make comments like the one's he's made, you lose faith in a guy.

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[quote=offiss]I would be careful to judge any WR in our offense the previous 2 years, Moss's ability to seperate from defenders regardless of whether or not they knew where he was going is IMO a big reason why he's the only
WR to have any real success within the last 2 years.

What made Patton so great last season? In fact he was complaining about his lack of success in our offense before he pulled a Jacobs and was put on the IR. What made him a desirable commodity was the Patriot offense and Tom Brady, if you believe Jacobs wouldn't be head and shoulders better right now playing in that offense instead of our's the last 2 seaons your only kidding yourself, this season will be a true test for Jacobs, I believe he will excell under Saunders, the only question is can he stay healthy? And that's a big if, but I do believe the talent is there to be a top #4 WR.

I think the battle for the #4 spot will come down to value on specials, as I expect both players to really play well in the pre-season, and the fact that Patton is a veteran looking for significant playing time may winde him up else where but we will see.[/quote]

I think you're so off the mark that it's as if you root for a different team and you just follow the Redskins in passing.

Jacobs never could have done what Patten did in the Patriots' offense, Offiss. Jacobs doesn't have the same speed. Patten put those numbers up by running fly-routes and post patterns mainly. Jacobs can't burn anybody, and he can't separate from defenders. Just check the quote, "They have DBs running 4.3, what do you want me to do?"

Secondly, you do realize that Patten was hurt in week 2, right? He was banged up for the next 5 games or so, and then got put on IR. Trying to determine what kind of player he is based solely on last season is nothing short of retarded. He made a name for himself in New England by flat out BURNING people, and when you have a balky knee, it's pretty hard to burn those DBs with the 4.3 speed that Jacobs loves to complain about.

And lastly, I can't believe you actually think the Skins are going to keep him. He's as good as cut, man. Anyone who thinks Jacobs has a chance at sticking around needs to pay closer attention to this team. He was a player SPURRIER drafted. Gibbs has given him chance after chance and he has been disappointing all the way.

In terms of special teams, last year we had two WRs taking part in special teams: Thrash and Jacobs. This year we'll also have two: Thrash and Randle-El (returning). There's nothing saying that we'll need Jacobs playing teams so desperately. Jimoh will be one gunner, and there are plenty of other options for the other gunner spot.

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Aren't you happy someone showed up for you to argue with Schneed? HAHAHA!

Saunders has done some magic with totally shitty receivers, but, and it pains me to say this, people like Eddie Kennison are far more of a man than Taylor Jacobs will ever be.

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As the undisputed Fence Riding Champion Of The Known Free World, I must put my two cents in ...hey, wait that's not a penny!

(ahem)
If anyone thinks that our season's success rides on us keeping either Patten or Jacobs then the NFL needs to hand over the Lombardi trophy right now. I never have been a Jacobs fan. Patten is Patten. He's fast and shows a good work ethic, but he will be our #4 option. That's it. Whoopee! Keeping Patten does not put us that much closer to the championship game and keeping Jacobs doesn't put us that much farther away.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection]Aren't you happy someone showed up for you to argue with Schneed? HAHAHA!

Saunders has done some magic with totally shitty receivers, but, and it pains me to say this, people like Eddie Kennison are far more of a man than Taylor Jacobs will ever be.[/quote]

Actually it is kind of nice to actually get some substantive Redskins discussion going around here again instead of just the parking lot play time.

But at the same time, I can't decide who I want to punch more, Taylor Jacobs or Offiss.

j/k Offiss :)

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J/K as in you're saying you're kidding to offiss or just kidding as in saying there's no hard choice, you'd rather punch offiss?

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About discussion though, there's no real discussion. I don't even see how there's a comparison between Patten and Jacobs. In the few games that Patten played he had more yards than Jacobs had in the rest of that season. I'd love to see some stats also on how many times they were thrown to.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection]J/K as in you're saying you're kidding to offiss or just kidding as in saying there's no hard choice, you'd rather punch offiss?[/quote]

LOL

I was trying to say j/k to Offiss. But now that you mention it...

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection]About discussion though, there's no real discussion. I don't even see how there's a comparison between Patten and Jacobs. In the few games that Patten played he had more yards than Jacobs had in the rest of that season. I'd love to see some stats also on how many times they were thrown to.[/quote]

I agree. Just look at what happened to Moss' numbers when Patten went out on IR. Patten commanded attention. Defenses thought Taylor Jacobs was a joke.

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[quote=724Skinsfan]As the undisputed Fence Riding Champion Of The Known Free World, I must put my two cents in ...hey, wait that's not a penny!

(ahem)
If anyone thinks that our season's success rides on us keeping either Patten or Jacobs then the NFL needs to hand over the Lombardi trophy right now. I never have been a Jacobs fan. Patten is Patten. He's fast and shows a good work ethic, but he will be our #4 option. That's it. Whoopee! Keeping Patten does not put us that much closer to the championship game and keeping Jacobs doesn't put us that much farther away.[/quote]

I agree. Ultimately, if our success hinges on Patten or Jacobs, god help us.

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True enough. I believe it all comes down to injuries. If we stay relatively [major] injury-free, I think we have the best shot out of ALL TEAMS to take it all.

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[quote=Mattyk72]I agree. Ultimately, if our success hinges on Patten or Jacobs, god help us.[/quote]

I can only half agree with this. If we have to depend on Taylor Jacobs, then God help us.

But I see no reason why Patten can't carry the load. I think it's quite possible he could beat either Lloyd or Randle-El for the #2 job. Don't forget, Gibbs doesn't care how much money these players make. $10 million bonuses to ARE and Lloyd don't mean squat to Gibbs if Patten is the better player.

If ARE and Lloyd go down, and we're left with Moss & Patten both healthy as our starting WRs, it's not a God help us situation. It's thin, but it's still a good situation. Remember Moss's numbers last year when Patten was on the field? He can add a lot to the offense.

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PS We won't have to count on Taylor Jacobs. He's not going to make the team. Triple stamped it.

And I don't care if you can't triple-stamp a double-stamp.

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No erasies?

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Not to open a whole other can or worms, but, with all this Patten vs. Jacobs talk, where does that leave Thrash? Is he kept around primarily for his special teams ability? I feel like he needs to be considered a potential #4 WR, but Patten is better at this point IMO.

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Taylor Jacobs: Yo, Coach! What's new?

Coach Gibbs: Well, we just signed a pretty darn good player named Antwan Randle El.

Taylor Jacobs: Really!? He's gonna be are KR this year?

Coach Gibbs: Yup, and he'll be part of our receiving core to complement Lloyd.

Taylor Jacobs: Lloyd? Brandon Lloyd? We got him too?

Coach Gibbs: mmm-hmm. yup, he'll be an exciting addition to our team.

Taylor Jacobs: We still got Patten, right?

Coach Gibbs: You got it, I really like his toughness.

Taylor Jacobs: Man, that's gonna be pretty strange keeping five receivers on the team, ain't it.

Coach Gibbs: mmm-hmm. yup, it would be strange, wouldn't it?

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oh yeah: Touch Blue Make It True!

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I definitely think Thrash sticks because of special teams. I'd say he's a solid lock for the #5 WR.

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Gibbs: I like my WRs to be super tough and to fight their guts out week in and week out.

Jacobs: I think I have a headache.