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The only game I got out of hand and had to be asked by multiple people to clean up the language was when we played the raiders last year. The team was headed towards a 3rd straight loss and I had just downed 2 40's of Olde English in the parking lot, so my choice of words turned a little blue.

I normally try to be respectful to any kids around me, but that doesn't stop me from saying some pretty stupid crap to opposing fans. Two years ago there was this ugly chick in a cowpies jersey a few row in front of us. The jeresey was #17, but the name said something stupid like Michelle or whatever. She wouldnt sit down or shut up, so I finally yelled, "hey, Michelle! Is 17 the amount of beers it would take a guy to sleep with you?" She sat down after that one.
Now I don't feel like I was out of line, because here she is in our stadium but she feels like it's okay to reamin standing the whole game (we were like 10 rows from the top, so it was hard enough to see already) and cheer like she was in dallas.
I've been to one away game and people talked sh*t to us the whole time, but we expected it, and so should anyone who comes into our house to watch their team.

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The Bengals idea with the Jerk Line is a great idea. Every stadium in America should do it. Sports are as much about entertainment as they are about games these days.
The team's success depends on fans enjoying their experience at the stadium enough to bring their money back a second time. For every drunk fan who has fun, there are about 15 sober fans who don't. Alcohol is wonderful if you're pathetic enough to rely on it as a means for a good time. But anyone who has to get drunk to enjoy something as exciting as an NFL game isn't worth it.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;201849]The only game I got out of hand and had to be asked by multiple people to clean up the language was when we played the raiders last year. The team was headed towards a 3rd straight loss and I had just downed 2 40's of Olde English in the parking lot, so my choice of words turned a little blue.[/quote]

Two forties of OE? Damn, you're gansta.

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We have a tradition of drinking a 40 at tailgates. One of my buddies had to back out of the game at the last minute because he was sick, so I had to step up and drink one for him.

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OK I had a meeting and missed a lot of this discussion. Let me weigh in.

Starting fights: always completely unacceptable. Defending yourself if someone screams at you in such a way to make you feel there is impending physical harm, always acceptable.

Shouting obscenities just for the sake of shouting obscenities: unacceptable. But if you're pumped up and Brunell tosses an INT and you blurt out oh mother effer, no harm done, that's just the result of being into the game. There's a difference. One is intentionally using bad language for it's own sake. The other is a simple loss of self-control. All I'm saying is that I don't want anyone to be controlling themselves for language so much that it prevents them from making significant noise.

If you can control your language and still be loud 100% of the time, you're the best fan of all. If you are loud all the time but let the occasional curse word slip, I'd still take you over a patsy who just sits there the entire game without making noise.

As for making fun of other fans at the stadium, it's par for the course and if you come to a game, it's open season. You should keep it to things like "hey, guy with the Roy Williams jersey, does that shirt smell like burnt toast, because I think Santana Moss may have left it in the toaster too long." It should not be "hey Cowboy's fan, you're a piece of sh*t."

Though if a fan of an opposing team is a jerk first (shouting obscenities incessantly, starting fights), it's open season. Beat his ass if you have to.

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that is thuggin it. and welcome td2006. old eddie makes me nearly insane.

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I am in no way calling for fans of Fed Ex to "imitate" the Eagles fans. I am saying some people in the stands need to take a look at the passion you bring to the game. I'm probably preaching to the choir on this site, because everyone here probably screams their heads off at games. But there are still plenty of other fans who pretty much just sit on their hands. Bring the noise or stay home, someone else with passion could be using that seat.

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[quote=Touchdown 2006;201850]The Bengals idea with the Jerk Line is a great idea. Every stadium in America should do it. Sports are as much about entertainment as they are about games these days.
The team's success depends on fans enjoying their experience at the stadium enough to bring their money back a second time. For every drunk fan who has fun, there are about 15 sober fans who don't. Alcohol is wonderful if you're pathetic enough to rely on it as a means for a good time. But anyone who has to get drunk to enjoy something as exciting as an NFL game isn't worth it.[/quote]

That's not even close to true. All NFL teams get more than enough shared revenue to cover the costs of maximizing their salary cap allottment each year. The success of football teams are not at all dependent upon fan attendance. Even if you're the Cardinals who have experienced the lowest attendance in the league, they still have more than enough revenue to cover $106 million in player salaries.

And it's very myopic to think that people will actually stay home from the stadium because they're afraid of the jerks who yell S and F. That doesn't happen.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;201857]We have a tradition of drinking a 40 at tailgates. One of my buddies had to back out of the game at the last minute because he was sick, so I had to step up and drink one for him.[/quote]

Regular or High Gravity?

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Must be regular. I'm not familiar with high gravity

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You don't WANT to be familiar with it. It's basically OE ICE. One of them will have you on your ass. I don't know what it is about malt liquor, but it seriously f*cks me up. I would drink it often in college and got more drunk than I ever do on beer or liquor. I would drink King Cobra, St. Ides and OE 800 AND High Gravity.

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malt liquor is seriously gross as it is, but if you nurse it and it gets hot it is easily the worst tasting invention ever.

Perhaps the 40's tradition needs to die this year.

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[quote=Schneed10;201862]And it's very myopic to think that people will actually stay home from the stadium because they're afraid of the jerks who yell S and F. That doesn't happen.[/quote]

Not entirely true Schneed, I doubt that I will take my son when he is old enough to a game unless I know that the seats are in a "good" section. I get tickets from a friend 2 or 3 times a year and the people around are all decent people. We cheer and high five but no one gets out of hand with. There are other places that I've sat at in the stadium that I was flat out embarrassed to be in. I'm not going to subject my kid(s) to vulgarity if I can help it and probably will leave early.

You can be supportively loud and not scream obscenities, especially when kids or elderly people are around.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;201872]malt liquor is seriously gross as it is, but if you nurse it and it gets hot it is easily the worst tasting invention ever.

Perhaps the 40's tradition needs to die this year.[/quote]

Perhaps, since we'll have at least 3-4 cases of beer ready for the taking.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;201873]Not entirely true Schneed, I doubt that I will take my son when he is old enough to a game unless I know that the seats are in a "good" section. I get tickets from a friend 2 or 3 times a year and the people around are all decent people. We cheer and high five but no one gets out of hand with. There are other places that I've sat at in the stadium that I was flat out embarrassed to be in. I'm not going to subject my kid(s) to vulgarity if I can help it and probably will leave early.

You can be supportively loud and not scream obscenities, especially when kids or elderly people are around.[/quote]

You're right. But I should clarify my statement. There are people who will indeed choose to stay home from the game because of exposure to this kind of thing. But for every person who is ready to do that, there are two others without tickets who are dying to take that seat. Redskin games always sell out, there is plenty of demand for tickets. So if a portion of fans opt to stay home due to increasingly boorish behavior at games, I'd expect other fans to fill in the gaps.

How this pertains to the Bengals, I don't know much about their attendance. Demand for their tickets may not be the same as Washington's. So if they stand to lose attendance due to increasingly boorish behavior, then I can understand management's move here in creating the hotline. They want to keep their existing fan base because they might believe that there aren't that many people lined up to get tickets. In that case it would be an understandable move, though at the same time somewhat deleterious to home-field advantage.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;201857]We have a tradition of drinking a 40 at tailgates. One of my buddies had to back out of the game at the last minute because he was sick, so I had to step up and drink one for him.[/quote]

...a true team player.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;201847]Some people get angry. I get happy. I DO get angry on tequila, but I don't drink any type of tequila at tailgates, so this year's tailgate is safe from angry Malcolm.[/QUOTE]

Note to self....call Cuervo, his cousin Sauza, his other cousin Cabo Wabo, and his hot ass sister Patron. Bring them all to Redskins tailgate. Call next game on the beerpong table "Tequila Pong". Hilarity ensues!

Obscenities may fly from my mouth, but I'm not a fighter. Granted, being as big as I am, I usually don't have to worry about any non-Skins fan trying to start something with me...that's what AMD is for.

There is no reason that people can't be loud and rowdy at a football game, but if someone asks you to be respectful, do so. It should also be the understanding that your 5 year old may hear language it hasn't heard before, and it's to no fault of Dad or Mom, but they should make sure their child understands that those words are disrespectful and shouldn't be used.

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I used to think Patron was out of my league. Then I kept hitting on her, getting in with Cabo Wabo and she was like, "Malcolm, I love you, I'll make sweet love to your mouth."

And sexiness ensued!

Seriously, if tequila is requested, tequila will be there. I just cannot partake in any of it.

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I too had a meeting and missed most of the stuff going down. I think I agree with most everyone here in that there is a line, it can be crossed, and you should avoid doing so and, as someone said, being a fan does not give you the right to be a thug and an asshole.

I have no expectation, nor any desire, that my trips to the stadium become an afternoon of tea and crumpets (unless we're using english slang - then bring on the tasty crumpets). At the same time, I think that everyone should have the expectation of relative civility in any setting. People are gonna curse, some assholes will start fights, some folks will drink more than they can handle. Even though such behavior must be tolerated to some extent, as long as everyone agrees that this behavior should not be condoned, it's all good.

It's actually quite simple - do unto others as you would have them do unto you

(In my youth, I lived by another motto - do unto others, then run. How I avoided serious jail time, I'll never know).

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I do like the bengal roar in Madden 06.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;201941]Seriously, if tequila is requested, tequila will be there. I just cannot partake in any of it.[/QUOTE]
You can, but you choose not to...so I choose not to partake. cannot shouldn't be a word in your vocabulary soldier.