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sellers is looking like an awesome fullback

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The biggest positive from last night is that Gibbs is pissed. With his skills, I am confident that will translate into a more motivated team.

Other positives:

* Campbell -- especially the way he came back from the INT. What I love about JC more than anything else is his poise and confidence. He has a presence that Eli Manning will probably never have. JC makes me very excited for the future. I'm a huge opponent of ever using any first round pick on a QB. JC is an exception to that.
* REL's play.
* Riggo's color commentary (he and Patrick should replace the current MNF crew -- Riggo does a better job of what both TK and JT do, he is a 2for1 deal). Sure, the constant plugs for his radio show were a bit over the top, but it was actually self depricating humor.
* No bimbo sideline reporters (btw, when I am elected King of the World, my first act will be to outlaw bimbo sideline reporters). Although I would make one huge exception: [url]http://www.thewarpath.net/warpath-parking-lot/13665-dedicated-ramona-chorleau-thread.html[/url]
* Thrash.
* Collins put himself more securely in the #3 slot. Maybe there is a deal to be made w/ the Jets for Bollinger (who is unlikely to make the team). Not a big fan, but he sure as hell is better than TC.
* Sellers is a stud as FB. I really like how Saunders is using TE/FB as opposed to the H-Back approach. It is more specialized and that part of the game is looking pretty good.

On the less than positive side:

* The game looked like crap on my HDTV. OMFG, they even cut off the top scoreboard. It looked worse than the Skins did.
* Patten not only probably cost himself his job, but he put a pretty big dent in any trade value.
* Espy took a step back on a night when he had a chance to win a roster slot outright. He isn't done yet, but he could have been in and those opportunities don't come along that often.
* The defensive and ST break downs. This was both mental error stuff and football fundamental stuff (tackling 101 -- some of these guys should sign up for a subscription to Bill Parcell's Back Yard Drills).
* Not enough close up shots of the smokin hot cheerleaders during the broadcast (although, because of no HD, not that big a deal). I mean come on, the game was ugly. Let's entertain people.

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[quote=bigm29;205942]the colts went 0-5 in the preseason last year, then won their next 13 games[/quote]

Its not about winning the game we know preseason means shit. Its about sustaining a fucking Offensive series and proving that they can execute and get in the end zone together. Their has been an Impotent Offense looming over this team for the past 5-10 years it cant prolong a drive and get it upfield.
Defense played with both hands spreading their asscheeks open.Sorry for the graphics.

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I cannot tell how the team is playing in preseason , didn't we score 40 pts per game under Spurrier , and it was no indication on the perfrormance those years . I'am concerned that A. Carter has not been a factor as a pass rusher in two games .

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What if they're all great actors and throwing these games so teams prepare for us differently. They say its vanilla, so maybe on sept. 11th they'll add some hot fudge......lol

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[QUOTE=budw38;205946]I am concerned that A. Carter has not been a factor as a pass rusher in two games .[/QUOTE]


Excellent point, and it probably hasn't been made enough. Carter, and the D-line has applied about as much pressure on the quarterback as it did the last two seasons -- not nearly enough. While they haven't been on the field all that much in the last two games, they played the full first half last night and didn't look much better.

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[quote=Beemnseven;205956]Excellent point, and it probably hasn't been made enough. Carter, and the D-line has applied about as much pressure on the quarterback as it did the last two seasons -- not nearly enough. While they haven't been on the field all that much in the last two games, they played the full first half last night and didn't look much better.[/quote]

Its gonna get worse if Griffin misses some time also

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Campbell's arm is ridiculous, he leans back too often though like he's shooting a fadeaway jumper or something. But man, what an arm

Was it just me or after the first play from scrimmage on offense when Betts got stuffed did Thomas raise his hands as if to say "What the hell play are we running?" Like there was some miscommunication

I'm not worried about the offense really, but the special teams is abysmal.

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Our back-ups are the worst back-ups in the league. They are all horrible outside RB and WR. I like the depth we are adding to the backfield but all those players couldn't even come close to handling a number 1 WR in this league. I don't understand when or how our depth sucks so bad. Our back-up o-line is disgusting. DISGUSTING.

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[quote=JankySpanky80;205957]Its gonna get worse if Griffin misses some time also[/quote]
I was at the game and when grif was on the groud i didn't know who it was because the trainers were crowding him. I called up a friend at home he said it was griffin and they went to break. After a few minutes griffin gets up and runs back to the sideline. Actually runs, i am not sure if that was on tv. After the game griffin was golf carted to his car.

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[quote=TAFKAS;205972]Campbell's arm is ridiculous, he leans back too often though like he's shooting a fadeaway jumper or something. But man, what an arm

Was it just me or after the first play from scrimmage on offense when Betts got stuffed did Thomas raise his hands as if to say "What the hell play are we running?" Like there was some miscommunication

I'm not worried about the offense really, but the special teams is abysmal.[/quote]

I watched the game again today and our kickoff coverage on the runback had guys on it that aren't gonna make the team anyways. Nemo, Farris, White were out there. Hell Kary campbell wasn't even out there on that play and he is one of our best Special Teamers. Nor was Sellars

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Yeah I thought that too regarding our special teams actually. Still I imagine some of those guys that played on special teams yesterday will be on the team.

I take solace in knowing things will be better when The Ade returns

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yes its all about the Ade. Yes some of them will be. When is the first set of cuts? Anyone know

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[quote=JankySpanky80;205986]yes its all about the Ade. Yes some of them will be. When is the first set of cuts? Anyone know[/quote]

I think it has to be trimmed on Aug 29th but Im not sure. Still need to search on that.

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Lets hope that they turn it up a notch when the season really begins on September 11 ! The good news is that if Brunell plays well and Campbell improves through practice < maybe some game time > this season , we should be strong at all but backup O - Line and D Line . Vinny , if you read this ,,, draft a pass rusher next year ,,,,, PLEASE :)

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[quote=budw38;205994]Lets hope that they turn it up a notch when the season really begins on September 11 ! The good news is that if Brunell plays well and Campbell improves through practice < maybe some game time > this season , we should be strong at all but backup O - Line and D Line . Vinny , if you read this ,,, draft a pass rusher next year ,,,,, PLEASE :)[/quote]Yeah, I hope a big DE with athleticism is still there when Washington goes on the clock in the first round. Even if Carter plays up to potential, Daniels and Wynn are getting much older.

Maybe we need O-line help more. Thats not a job for the first round though.

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We'll trade all our picks away before the draft so don't bank on that.

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Positives for me:

* The Campbell era continues to accelerate (and F his passer rating, Patten short-armed a few and dropped a couple more, that guy should basically be traded now)
* Two words and a profanity: MIKE FSCKING SELLERS. It's *criminal* that nobody has bothered handing off to this guy all this time. Seriously, he was PANCAKING dudes on his way to the first down marker, and you could tell he was loving every minute of it. Ladell and Rock are all fine and good, but for my money I would be making a lot more use of Sellers if I was Saunders. Not to mention, we already know he can catch.
* Mike Rumph didn't look quite so much like a former first round bust last night. Maybe that bitter Niners fan who's always in here whining about Lloyd got it wrong after all, because that guy unloaded pretty nicely on a couple of key plays.
* Randle-El. Nuff said.
* Buck Ortega! Awesome, "Mexican Food meets Porn Star" name, and hey, you can never have too many TE's on your roster, right?

Questions:

* Where's Andre Carter?
* Where's Cooley?
* Where's Robert McCune? He had a great game against Cincy, and seemed like a no-show tonight.
* Which trick play is gonna burn us for a score next week?

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Positives:
Collins looked good so long as he didn't have time to think. I felt as though he was under more pressure than Campbell and was able to get rid of it VERY quickly. Certainly no comparison to last week.
Thrash after the catch.
The 2nd-string OL and CBs look like they've played college ball (not like last week.)
Some good catches in spite of hard contact.
Sellers. (Is somebody having fun out there?)
Buck Ortega.
The cheerleaders.

Negatives:
Starting D. (They should have it together by now.)
Starting offense. (This could be because they're learning the playbook, so I'm not too concerned.)
Special teams.
All the drops.


Mostly agreeing with prior posts as far as the details.

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You forgot brunell's overthrows which there were 2 or 3

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[QUOTE=JankySpanky80;206057]You forgot brunell's overthrows which there were 2 or 3[/QUOTE]

This is actually a good thing IMO. Between this and his scrambling effort, I feel good about his health thus far. Overthrows in preseason don't scare me, it's the wobbly lame ducks that strike fear into your heart...

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[QUOTE=dblanch66;205940]If anyone is actually upset about this game...
It IS preseason. Super Bowl year we went 0-4 and Gibbs was furious the entire training camp. Mark my words, this is all going according to PLAN. Minnesota better look out.[/QUOTE]


Keep that positive attitude 66 that's what we need. When we're winning we're grinning, when we're loosing we're crying. Just a couple weeks ago we were talking SB and even JG suggested everyone bring it down, now after two less than spectacular performances we're all stressed out.....Chill....It's going to be alright.

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A neutral: 23 play drive netting 3.3 yards/play. This is < 10 yds/3 downs. This kind of yardage should kill a drive. Only kept going because they went for it on 4th down (which I don't think would happen in the regular season) and a defensive penalty (if I remember correctly.)

NEGATIVE: I guess they didn't have their 1st-string officiating crew in there. While their decisions were fine, their announcements sounded like they were recruited from the World Cup.
Never have seen any which seemed more clueless.

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I actually think for a weeks worth of work (and granted against no namers) mike rumph looked pretty good. He was hitting hard and all over the place. He may end up being a very valuble nickel corner. He's gotta be as good as Walt Harris, and the guy can hit...

It's hard to judge a team by the preseason, but it seems like Campbell does not get rattled at all. I mean he looks like he's just moseying around dumping balls off completely unaffected by the looming linemen and backers closing in around him... which is a welcome sight.

I think he just needs to learn to make better decisions with his balls (I think we could all make better decisions with our balls) and he'll be a contender.

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Campbell's arm look amazing. I hope he starts for us for his entire career once he gets the chance.

Who knew Sellars could run so well? I tried him out on Madden after the game (against the Colts and Bucs) and he can run on there too! :)

Randel El looks great AND excited to be a Redskin. He'll be great for us. Does anyone know if he'll be the kick returner? Espy's been returning when I saw and he may not make the team...

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[QUOTE=Buster;206150]Campbell's arm look amazing. I hope he starts for us for his entire career once he gets the chance.

Who knew Sellars could run so well? I tried him out on Madden after the game (against the Colts and Bucs) and he can run on there too! :)

Randel El looks great AND excited to be a Redskin. He'll be great for us. Does anyone know if he'll be the kick returner? Espy's been returning when I saw and he may not make the team...[/QUOTE]

Sellers is a textbook physics example! Force = mass x acceleration! At 260 pounds, when he gets up to speed, he's gonna bowl people over! The trick is to get a big head of steam going before he hits anybody...

Randle El will be the punt returner and Betts likely the KR, though while Ladell is starting in place of Clinton (and maybe indefinitely, if they're afraid of Clinton's shoulder flaring up), someone else (Nemo?) will be handling KOR's. They like dudes who can break tackles on kickoff returns, but favor the shiftiness and speed of a guy like Randle El on punt returns.

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[quote=Buster;206150]Who knew Sellars could run so well? I tried him out on Madden after the game (against the Colts and Bucs) and he can run on there too! :)[/quote]

He's a little slow for my taste in Madden, and he seems to drop a lot of passes. Hopefully in '07 his hands will be improved.

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Gibbs is pissed. Thats all I can take away from the game. Thank god it still preseason.

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Collins did not throw any balls to the D line.

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There were definitely some positives from the game that encouraged me.

First of all, B Lloyd was given the night off so the staff could take a better look at ARE, right? Well, Randle EL had two nice catches pretty easily, so that shows me that Saunders is going to be able to achieve what he sets out to do even if he's running vanilla schemes. That looks really positive.

Archuletta brought some pressure and had that nice sack. With either Arch or Sean Taylor bringing the heat from the safety position, I'd say QBs are going to be extra wary.

Jason Campbell rebounded really well from his pick and led a nice drive. He could have engineered a few more drives had Patten and Espy made some catches. For the most part, Jason looked pretty accurate and made good decisions. A lot of balls were dropped that should have been caught, and Patten short armed a few, so I'd say Campbell is progressing pretty well.

And lastly, Mike Rumph wasn't the man or anything, but he certainly wasn't what Niners fans made him out to be, so maybe, the change of scenery and better coaching will do him well. I don't really remember him from his days at the U, but if he was a first round talent, hopefully, GW will bring that out of him.

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[quote=budw38;205994]Lets hope that they turn it up a notch when the season really begins on September 11 ! The good news is that if Brunell plays well and Campbell improves through practice < maybe some game time > this season , we should be strong at all but backup O - Line and D Line . Vinny , if you read this ,,, draft a pass rusher next year ,,,,, PLEASE :)[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]I've decided I just flat out hate pre-season! It makes everyone question the team, the coaches, if we are really good or not. We can't see our 1st string play for real, and when they do play they only play for 5mins and you can tell they don't care at all about winning. When I watch the Skins I’m involved, I’m watching intently, I can’t wait to cheer and yell and watch them make a great play. It just doesn’t happen in pre-season. It's upsetting, it crushes morale! I HATE PRE-SEASON. I'm not turning on another game until 9/11.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]

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Yeah, I'm not a huge fan myself honestly. It's good for a fix, but after the first screw-up and third stringer action, I'm ready for real games to start.

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[quote=theJBexperience;206194]There were definitely some positives from the game that encouraged me.

First of all, B Lloyd was given the night off so the staff could take a better look at ARE, right? Well, Randle EL had two nice catches pretty easily, so that shows me that Saunders is going to be able to achieve what he sets out to do even if he's running vanilla schemes. That looks really positive.

Archuletta brought some pressure and had that nice sack. With either Arch or Sean Taylor bringing the heat from the safety position, I'd say QBs are going to be extra wary.

Jason Campbell rebounded really well from his pick and led a nice drive. He could have engineered a few more drives had Patten and Espy made some catches. For the most part, Jason looked pretty accurate and made good decisions. A lot of balls were dropped that should have been caught, and Patten short armed a few, so I'd say Campbell is progressing pretty well.

And lastly, Mike Rumph wasn't the man or anything, but he certainly wasn't what Niners fans made him out to be, so maybe, the change of scenery and better coaching will do him well. I don't really remember him from his days at the U, but if he was a first round talent, hopefully, GW will bring that out of him.[/quote]

I'm still worried about Archuleta in general, but the man has some closing speed when blitzing. I was excited to see that.

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everyone has to relax...

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;205857]This is the easy answer. I didn't hear Gibbs say that. The team looked like dogs8it and they have two weeks to fix it. If they don't play better than that, they will lose to Minnesota. If they lose to Minnesota, they are in big trouble.[/quote]


good god almighty man, what you thinking when we were 5-6 last year? I mean, I would have to belive you stopped being a skins fan all together.

0-1 and we are "in big trouble" sheez

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[quote=Longtimefan;205911]We are experiencing the affects of change. We added quite a few new players, a new [or different] coordinator on offense and a 700 page playbook. When you have a group of players who have not had a lot of reps together to prepare for game like situations it takes time for all the pieces to come together. We also had a short camp with limited contact and players playing in games who were not here from the beginning. We are coming to see the pre-season hype has to be transformed into solid play on the field. I'm going to take all things considered and beleive that as we continue to become familiar with each other things will look better. Right now just about everyone is disappointed with the team for one reason or another but soon I think we'll begin to build on the momentum we established at the end of last season. We have good leadership on this team and I'm convinced that will be our salvation.
Pardon my rant, but I feel these factors are important to consider.[/quote]
We've only used the first 10 pages of the playbook (vanilla)....opening day against Vikes we'll see "Rocky Road" chocolate, mixed with vanilla, mixed with various nuts, marshmellows, with sprinkles on top... the Vikes defense and all other defenses won't know what is happening

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Rocky Road with a side helping of pain.

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In a waffle cone.

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[quote=Toast20622;206248]We've only used the first 10 pages of the playbook (vanilla)....opening day against Vikes we'll see "Rocky Road" chocolate, mixed with vanilla, mixed with various nuts, marshmellows, with sprinkles on top... the Vikes defense and all other defenses won't know what is happening[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Thank GOD for a little optimism around here! Love it! Great post![/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]

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our REAL special teams use starters. but not so much in the preseason. I wouldn't make a big deal about that.

campbell is pretty accurate... in fact, almost surprisingly so, but he still needs more experience to improve his decision making. sellers can run well out of a singleback set (he's his own fullback :P), and El looked like the highlight reel self instead of somewhat unproductive one. Everything else was pretty much a throw away. Turns out that kerry carter looks MUCH better in practice than he does in games. at least he got some money out of it.

don't read too much into the preseason. our coaches use crappy play calling, limited plays and sub in crappy players (especially on special teams).