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[QUOTE=PorterHouse;218048]My whole thing is, did we really need to bring him in?[/QUOTE]

Not sure if everyone remembers, but our offense truly sputterred at the end of the season... at the end of that winning streak (the philly game I believe), our offense wasn't scoring much. Our defense carried us again- taylor had a few key touchdown runbacks in a few games. Shoot, we would have lost to arizona if it weren't for antonio brown's kickoff return.

When Saunders was hired, everyone was excited- remember, this is a pretty complex offensive system... don't expect KC numbers instantly.

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Is it possible that Brunell misses Bill Musgrave?

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[QUOTE=Southpaw;217918]Just about every great NFL coach takes the blame when a team fails to execute, which is exactly how it should be. If a player isn't performing to a respectable level, it's ultimately the coaches fault for putting the player in that position. Gibbs takes the fall for Washington's failings all the time. When a coach blames everyone but himself, for something that he is in direct control of, I lose respect for him.[/QUOTE]



Did you have the ocasion to witness the performance Gruden put on with his young QB Simms in TB's Sunday debacle? You think young Simms"s father may have some choice words for Gruden at another time?

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[QUOTE=irish;217964]This team starts fresh every year and thats the problem. Nothing is ever built upon. They have a nice D last year so do they resign some of the D backs and keep building? Nope they give a huge contract to Archeletta so now its more learning, rebuilding, and chemistry.

The offense finally gets going, does the team keep building on that? Nope they bring a new coach with a huge playbook and it back to the drawingboard for another offseason.

Until this organization figures out you have to build upon the past and not rebuild every year they are going nowhere.[/QUOTE]



I agree in part because it is difficult to continue adjusting year after year, new players, new coaches and schemes. However, what I find ironic is none of us were saying these type things until we saw the team play. That old addage hindsight is 20/20 is sure applicable here. We weren't saying these things because none of us thought they would look this bad to start the season. We all had visions of a high scoring offense with points coming out of the woodwork, so far it hasn't happened, that dosen't mean however that it won't.

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I was thinking them...just wasn't around to say them. The third year in a system is a critical year. We had finally established the power running game, and now had 3 speedy receivers to get downfield. We didn't need Saunders, yes I was excited, but I also believed our team was better suited for Gibbs offense.

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[QUOTE=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;218168]I was thinking them...just wasn't around to say them. The third year in a system is a critical year. We had finally established the power running game, and now had 3 speedy receivers to get downfield. We didn't need Saunders, yes I was excited, but I also believed our team was better suited for Gibbs offense.[/QUOTE]



So you have our beloved coach JG to thank. He made that call obviously because he thought it was for the betterment of the team. Had he not felt that way I doubt he would have made the move.

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hey...nobody's perfect

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[QUOTE=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;218173]hey...nobody's perfect[/QUOTE]



That's the very point I'm trying to make dude, "NOBODY's PERFECT"

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Gibbs offense, Saunders offense, whatever! If the QB can't get the ball to the receivers then what difference does it make? It's the same ole shenanigans when it comes to the offense, we barely get by!! The only reason we're not winning this time around is because our defense stinks! We won quite a few games last year because our defense kept our opponents within striking range. Hell, we've already given up more points to the Cowboys in one game this season than in both games combined last season. Oh, and how many third down conversions did the Vikings get? The offense is the same fella's, it stunk last season and so far it stinks this season; adding Al Saunders is only going to help things in the long run, assuming the players we have can execute his proven strategy.

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I think we should be discussing Gregg Williams not Al Saunders or Joe Gibbs!

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[quote=cowboykiller89;218183]I think we should be discussing Gregg Williams not Al Saunders or Joe Gibbs![/quote]

We need a cover corner. His name is shawn springs. Our D has been exposed without him. Thats were we went wrong in the off season. Kenny Wright is awful. Walt Harris plays the position way better than wright or rumph. Both of those guys suck. FYI...just read in the post that springs tweaked his hamstring. I wonder if he will see the field this year.

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Well if you're right on this one then I think we are gonna be in for a long season; I don't see Springs coming back 100% healthy until late in the season.

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[quote=vaoutlaws2006;218200]We need a cover corner. His name is shawn springs. Our D has been exposed without him. Thats were we went wrong in the off season. Kenny Wright is awful. Walt Harris plays the position way better than wright or rumph. Both of those guys suck. FYI...just read in the post that springs tweaked his hamstring. I wonder if he will see the field this year.[/quote]

Let's not forget Prioulou. He's also a big contributer that we lost on play 1.

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[QUOTE=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;218168]I was thinking them...just wasn't around to say them. The third year in a system is a critical year. We had finally established the power running game, and now had 3 speedy receivers to get downfield. We didn't need Saunders, yes I was excited, but I also believed our team was better suited for Gibbs offense.[/QUOTE]

Saunders' offense will work, it's still just football and not brain surgery, 700 page playbook included. We go through this every year, first Portis wasn't "suited" for Gibbs power running style and he bounces back to set a Redskins record for rushing yards. Then Coles thought the offense was too limited, and Moss comes in and sets the Redskins single season mark for receiving yards.

Rome wasn't built in a day. And while we all see the continuing struggles of the Redskins offense it's not related, its a new year with all new struggles. Some of the symptoms may be the same, but once Portis gets right I think we'll see the rebirth of cool around here.

By the way, I'm new to the DC area, where is a cool place to watch this Sunday's game in the Springfield-DC area? Preferably Metro accessible...

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I see Mr. Saunders interviewed on T.V. couple days ago. He seem very defensive with reporter (maybe he better defensive than offensive, eh?) and also like he talk to reporter in condescending way, too. I don't understand they pay this guy 2 million when Gibbs go 10-6 without him last year! I don't like the way Saunders act and he not getting it done.
Umberto

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I think it's safe to say that everyone is on edge at Redskins Park right now, and I'm sure there has been some sleep deprived nights from the coaches trying to get this figured out.

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It's very interesting watching all this unfold. I heard Gregg Williams didn't give any post game comments following the Dallas game, and here's a guy that loves to be interviewed.

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If anyone is still worried about our coaching staff, I highly recommend this video posted by Torresa in another thread. Boy, it really makes me appreciate what we have now.

[url=http://redskins.torresa.com/videos/video.php?video=TheFix]Downloading Video...TorresA...FTW...[/url]

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saunders is a great coach with a great system that is PROVEN! he had the number 1 offense in kc for the past 2 years. The problem is Gibbs is influening the plays that he is calling, you can see it in how game 2 was played. that was not a typical saunders run game he throw deep on first down among other things that game had a serious commitment to the run.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;218656]saunders is a great coach with a great system that is PROVEN! he had the number 1 offense in kc for the past 2 years. The problem is Gibbs is influening the plays that he is calling, you can see it in how game 2 was played. that was not a typical saunders run game he throw deep on first down among other things that game had a serious commitment to the run.[/quote]

Proven to work with the #1 O line in the league and a great QB. Neither of which we have.

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[quote=vaoutlaws2006;218200]We need a cover corner. His name is shawn springs. Our D has been exposed without him. Thats were we went wrong in the off season. Kenny Wright is awful. Walt Harris plays the position way better than wright or rumph. Both of those guys suck. FYI...just read in the post that springs tweaked his hamstring. I wonder if he will see the field this year.[/quote]

We just need to corners that we have to step the f** up!

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[QUOTE=That Guy;218677]Proven to work with the #1 O line in the league and a great QB. Neither of which we have.[/QUOTE]

our line is a bunch of underachievers and trent green wasn't great. look at him before he went to kc.... a bench warmer product of the system like collins

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He was the starter for the Rams until he tore his leg off in pre-season allowing Kurt Warner to come in. Up until that injury Green was the unquestioned starter in a potent offense.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;218694]our line is a bunch of underachievers and trent green wasn't great. look at him before he went to kc.... a bench warmer product of the system like collins[/quote]

that's incorrect. you don't get that many 4000+ yard seasons being bad. The skins really wanted to keep him here as the starter, but the ownership change screwed that up. He was the Rams starter till injury and then the chiefs starter. If you're good enough to start for three different teams and win that many more games than you lose (with a terrible defense), you're not a system QB. Which, by the way, Brunell has been accused of on many occassions in jacksonville, before he ended up on the bench for good there.

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Green is a quality QB. We'd be lucky to have a QB of his caliber for as many years as he's played. It would have been nice if we could have kept him long ago.

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Yeah, too bad Martz took him when he left us. I didn't realize at the time how good he was despite his last year with us. Of course at that time we had the Frerotte, Rosenfells, Green and I guess the end of the Shuler era. So much QB inconsistency back then (and now).

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[quote=724Skinsfan;218737]Yeah, too bad Martz took him when he left us. I didn't realize at the time how good he was despite his last year with us. Of course at that time we had the Frerotte, Rosenfells, Green and I guess the end of the Shuler era. So much QB inconsistency back then (and now).[/quote]
we had rosenfels in 2001...green left in 98

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;218730]Green is a quality QB. We'd be lucky to have a QB of his caliber for as many years as he's played. It would have been nice if we could have kept him long ago.[/QUOTE]

The fans in DC were too busy looking for a scapegoat for the all the teams problems so they put it all on Green and ditched him.

Hey, sounds familiar doesn't it?

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[quote=mheisig;218886]The fans in DC were too busy looking for a scapegoat for the all the teams problems so they put it all on Green and ditched him.

Hey, sounds familiar doesn't it?[/quote]

the team WANTED TO KEEP HIM. the uncertainty over the ownership is why he left. so much revisionist history for one thread.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;218893]the team WANTED TO KEEP HIM. the uncertainty over the ownership is why he left. so much revisionist history for one thread.[/QUOTE]

But what you said makes my point a lot less relevant for the present...

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[quote=steveo395;218811]we had rosenfels in 2001...green left in 98[/quote] correct...The number 2 qb when trent green was in washington was Former Giant and Former Raider Jeff Hostetler #15

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[quote=Mattyk72;218286]I think it's safe to say that everyone is on edge at Redskins Park right now, and I'm sure there has been some sleep deprived nights from the coaches trying to get this figured out.[/quote]

I wonder how much ball breaking D. Snyder is doing. Obviously, it is impossible to know what the reality is, but I think it is pretty clear that he doesn't put up with spectacular failure.

Also, look at the statements that hive been made by Brunell, Gibbs and Saunders -- especially Gibbs.

Gibbs has been very, very careful at how he talks about #8. Very careful. Brunell has been very, very defensive.

My spidey sense tells me that Gibbs real view of the QB play is different from the impression he has been creating.

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[quote=RiggoRules;218951]I wonder how much ball breaking D. Snyder is doing. Obviously, it is impossible to know what the reality is, but I think it is pretty clear that he doesn't put up with spectacular failure.

Also, look at the statements that hive been made by Brunell, Gibbs and Saunders -- especially Gibbs.

Gibbs has been very, very careful at how he talks about #8. Very careful. Brunell has been very, very defensive.

My spidey sense tells me that Gibbs real view of the QB play is different from the impression he has been creating.[/quote]

yet we had to wade through 9 weeks of terrible QB play in 2004 before a benching.

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[quote=RiggoRules;218951]I wonder how much ball breaking D. Snyder is doing. Obviously, it is impossible to know what the reality is, but I think it is pretty clear that he doesn't put up with spectacular failure.

Also, look at the statements that hive been made by Brunell, Gibbs and Saunders -- especially Gibbs.

Gibbs has been very, very careful at how he talks about #8. Very careful. Brunell has been very, very defensive.

My spidey sense tells me that Gibbs real view of the QB play is different from the impression he has been creating.[/quote]

Can you really see Snyder breaking Gibbs' balls, or anyone else on this staff??

I really don't see that happening at all.

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as far as coaching staffs, i dont see snyder saying anything to any of them. besides, i think gibbs gets carte blanche with snyder

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[QUOTE=dmek25;218980]as far as coaching staffs, i dont see snyder saying anything to any of them. besides, i think gibbs gets carte blanche with snyder[/QUOTE]

Maybe he should say something, we have the most overpaid coaching staff in history at this point. Something...ANYTHING needs to be done to turn this around.

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Snyder's not gonna say anything to Gibbs or Saunders about the offense because that is not the immediate problem; our defense is! It's the same ole' shiznit with the offense; it's struggling as it did most of last season (especially in the first half of the season and in the playoffs). Give Saunders until about midway through the season, the new offense is going to take some time to develop and I think Snyder understands and can cope with that. On the contrary, the defense is already established and should not be struggling! It's an excuse to say that the defense is struggling because of 1 players' absence (Springs). There is no "i" in team!

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dont you guys think gibbs earned the right to fix this? it really has been only 2 games

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Beware of the Danny. He has a knack for undermining things. He needs to keep his ass in the owners box and let the coaches do the coaching. Someone stop me with dan snyder bashing.