Re: Adam Archuleta
 

i understand holdman isn't an MLB, but when pierce was here, marshall played OLB much better than holdman, and because pierce is gone, holdman is starting.

and while he might have decent stats so far, this LB line up isn't nearly as good as the one we had two years ago. I didn't think that needed to be articulated in such detail, but i was wrong and i apologize.

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

I think the Redskins signed Adam Archuleta to a high price tag and let Ryan Clark and Walt Harris (who has been solid in SF) go for one main reason. I think at the end of last year they were not too sure if Taylor was going to come out of that entire legal situation without jail time, so they felt pressured into signing Archuleta as a back up plan and paid him way too much. They felt comfortable in Springs and Rogers and unfortunately Springs got hurt and Rogers was forced into a #1 role that he wasn't ready for and may never be. Add to this situation Pierson P blowing his knee out making a bad situation worse.

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

Williams has stated that he had his eye on Arch for a long time.

I know it might be hard to believe, but he just might pan out if we give him more than a few games to show his stuff.

Williams tends to know what he's doing when it comes to picking his players. The benefit of the doubt has to go his way.

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

You are dead wrong Matty! All players acquired by FA in the past have either stepped from day one or were busts. There is simply no adjustment period at all, period. If you're not playing good at the beginning then you NEVER will. That's one of the few guarantees in life.









([SIZE=1]please don't ban me[/SIZE])

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

[quote=724Skinsfan;220639]You are dead wrong Matty! All players acquired by FA in the past have either stepped from day one or were busts. There is simply no adjustment period at all, period. If you're not playing good at the beginning then you NEVER will. That's one of the few guarantees in life.[/quote]

So I guess we should just cut AA and Carter right now?

Hopefully you were being sarcastic. If not, maybe I should ban you.

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

[quote=Mattyk72;220642]So I guess we should just cut AA and Carter right now?

Hopefully you were being sarcastic. If not, maybe I should ban you.[/quote]

Definitely sarcastic!

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

phew, I heard the parrot calling there for a minute

;)

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

Do you guys jump on everyone when they do not do spectacular things right away??? 3 games guys give him time!! Rome was not built in 1 or even 3 days :-)

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

[QUOTE=DaveyFoSho;220657]Do you guys jump on everyone when they do not do spectacular things right away??? 3 games guys give him time!! Rome was not built in 1 or even 3 days :-)[/QUOTE]
Well if God had played for our team and hadn't gotten Rome built in three days we'd be pissed I guess.

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

I won't judge aa until springs comes back because then we will see what he was orininally brought in for. I do however also feel that we should have never let Ryan Clark go he was developing as a leader for this team

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

[quote=Mattyk72;220621]Williams has stated that he had his eye on Arch for a long time.

I know it might be hard to believe, but he just might pan out if we give him more than a few games to show his stuff.

Williams tends to know what he's doing when it comes to picking his players. The benefit of the doubt has to go his way.[/quote]

Archuleta was a bad aquisition. The reason the Rams let him go, "HE CANNOT COVER". Williams may have thought that he could hide him in the scheme, but offensive coordinators will exploit his weakness. I think the best thing that can happen to the Redskins is to get Shawn Springs back on the field. Having Springs will improve the entire coverage. Rogers is a good corner, he just isn't a #1 at this point in his career. Rumpf has done a decent job, he would be even better at nickel.

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Williams has stated that he had his eye on Arch for a long time.

I know it might be hard to believe, but he just might pan out if we give him more than a few games to show his stuff.

Williams tends to know what he's doing when it comes to picking his players. The benefit of the doubt has to go his way.[/QUOTE]

You bring up a good point that many seem to forget - this is Gregg Williams' defense!

Whether it's AA or Carter or letting Clark go it all falls on Williams' shoulders at the end of the day. I highly doubt Mr. Snyder forced these guys onto Williams, it was probably the exact opposite. Danny probably offered to add a few guys to help out the D and these are the guys that Williams thought would make the biggest improvement.

Whether he's right or wrong remains to be seen in the long run, but let's put the blame (or credit) where it belongs.

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

[quote=RobH4413;220512]The reason they're throwing at Rogers is because

1) HE is not a number 1 corner...
2) He's guarding their best receiver.

It makes total sense why they aren't throwing to their lesser receivers, because they can throw to their best one... duh..


Actually I'll follow your advice and argue with the numbers. Those numbers don't mean anything. The league changes every year... teams get better... teams get worse. I'm positive a team has been ranked high, improved, and the following year was ranked lower. The line of reasoning is flawed. Those numbers should be used as a guideline, and not a rule. Especially when your talking about 5 or 6 places.[/quote]

Duh? Is Marcus Robinson a #1 receiver? Is Travis Taylor? Is Eric Moulds a #1 receiver? Is Terry Glenn? Watch a game or two before you make an idiotic comment to me.

Why don't the numbers mean anything? Back up your point. Teams get better, teams get worse? What the hell does that mean? Why, because you said so? So the fact that they were 3rd in the league with Pierce and Smoot even though that defense had to deal with a horrendous offense means absolutely nothing. Whatever you say...

They are currently ranked 15th and if you think that this year's version is anywhere near 2004's or the defense that played the last 7 games last year then you are blind.

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

[quote=Grim21Reaper]You would think that opposing teams would go after Wright or Rumph. Instead they victimize our new #1 corner.[/quote]

They know he's not a #1 caliber corner yet. So they throw the ball who they feel is there best receiever. [U]If someone guarding your best weapon on offense isn't your best weapon on defense, you exploit that mismatch[/U]. When Springs is in, they know he's a veteran that has played consistently, so they avoid him. Are you saying other teams believe Rodgers is our worst corner, and therefore "victimizing" him is the result? No, that's where they see the biggest mismatch. Where Sean Taylor is on the field can help also play a role. Regardless, my point was that you can't assume Rodgers is worse than Rumph or Wright because other teams are picking on him. They're exploiting the biggest mismatch in the defense and thats why they're going after him.
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[quote=Grim21Reaper]
[I]My original point was that the defense would have been better last year and this year with those guys. The defense with Pierce was 3rd in the NFL. They were top 10 last year and a disappointment this year. I would rather have the 2004 version. If you don't agree, argue with the number. [/I]
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My comment was being critical of you praising Pierce with defensive ranking. I think that's way to broad of a catagory to attribute to one player. The redskins defense falling down the rank doesn't necessarily point as a direct result from Pierce's departure either. Team rankings aren't a consistent enough statistic to assume that one player leaving directly impacted the ranking of the team the following year. Theres too many variables, including other defenses improving from year to year. I don't feel that's an impossible concept to grasp, and I apoligize if I was being too vague.

I'm sorry if I offended you, I simply was disagreeing with the methods you used to prove your point.

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

[quote=mike340;220564]Both corners we got when we had #28 here developed very quickly and well (Bailey and Smoot.) I don't think this is a coincidence. We need to get him back as a DB coach. The publicity would also help his charity.

As far as comparing Smoot and Rogers, they are both #2 corners, so that part (at least) is comparable. But you can't compare Rogers covering the #1 receiver vs. Smoot covering the #2.

Most of our weaknesses on defense are on pass coverage. I feel that when Springs comes back it will about as much impact as when Portis came back (if not more) on offense. Rogers will be back to his #2. The other guys won't be shading over to Rogers 'cause they won't be worried about him doing his job. And Arch and co. who aren't good in coverage won't have to do it any more (or much), thus freeing them up to do what they do best. Just about everybody's playing suboptimally, since they're trying to adjust to help each other out. To me, it feels like, with Springs, we'll be able to bring an extra defender at the QB on pass plays. That's huge.

So my verdict on Arch and Carter: they've looked (worse than) useless so far, but I'm reserving judgement until after Springs is back.

I also liked Smoot, and he should regret leaving here. After all, I'm sure "love boats" happen here all the time, so if he'd invited some politician on the boat that the incident would never have reached the papers! ;-)

Sorry about this stream-of-consciousness post.[/quote]

I agree. Arch looked good in the pre season blitzing and stuffing the run, but without Springs in the lineup, the Skins haven't been able to use him as much in the same role. We'll see when/if Springs returns.

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

A. Archulata sucks balls for now but, maybe he will get better. I still liked M. Bowen better. Our defense is missing that something special right now.

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

[quote=hail_2_da_skins;220901]Archuleta was a bad aquisition. The reason the Rams let him go, "HE CANNOT COVER". Williams may have thought that he could hide him in the scheme, but offensive coordinators will exploit his weakness. I think the best thing that can happen to the Redskins is to get Shawn Springs back on the field. Having Springs will improve the entire coverage. Rogers is a good corner, he just isn't a #1 at this point in his career. Rumpf has done a decent job, he would be even better at nickel.[/quote]

when williams got him, prioleau wasn't on IR. AA would have been used like matt bowen, with a guy like prioleau (or ryan clark) spelling him depending on the situation. Still too much money, but it wouldn't have seemed soo bad that way.

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

[quote=That Guy;220969]when williams got him, prioleau wasn't on IR. AA would have been used like matt bowen, with a guy like prioleau (or ryan clark) spelling him depending on the situation. Still too much money, but it wouldn't have seemed soo bad that way.[/quote]
I agree. People dont realize just how damaging that was to lose him, and on the VERY 1st play of the year too. He also brought corner depth as well.

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

[quote=RobH4413;220949]They know he's not a #1 caliber corner yet. So they throw the ball who they feel is there best receiever. [U]If someone guarding your best weapon on offense isn't your best weapon on defense, you exploit that mismatch[/U]. When Springs is in, they know he's a veteran that has played consistently, so they avoid him. Are you saying other teams believe Rodgers is our worst corner, and therefore "victimizing" him is the result? No, that's where they see the biggest mismatch. Where Sean Taylor is on the field can help also play a role. Regardless, my point was that you can't assume Rodgers is worse than Rumph or Wright because other teams are picking on him. They're exploiting the biggest mismatch in the defense and thats why they're going after him.
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My comment was being critical of you praising Pierce with defensive ranking. I think that's way to broad of a catagory to attribute to one player. The redskins defense falling down the rank doesn't necessarily point as a direct result from Pierce's departure either. Team rankings aren't a consistent enough statistic to assume that one player leaving directly impacted the ranking of the team the following year. Theres too many variables, including other defenses improving from year to year. I don't feel that's an impossible concept to grasp, and I apoligize if I was being too vague.

I'm sorry if I offended you, I simply was disagreeing with the methods you used to prove your point.[/quote]

All I need is my eyes. That is how I know that they were a better defense than last year's version or this years. The numbers just back it up.

One player can make that much difference. Look at the loss of Springs. They will be a much better defense when he gets back but until that happens they will look bad. As for Pierce, we aren't talking about a nickel corner. The middle linebacker has a huge role in a defense. Look how crappy the Giants were when they lost him last year.

I love Marshall but he is not as good as Pierce and last year's version and this year's pale in comparison to the '04 unit.

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

If having Pierce is so great why are the Giants are ranked 27th in the league this year in total defense, whereas the Redskins (w/o Pierce) are ranked 15th. He's a very good LB but he's starting to look more like just another product of GW's system since Marshal is putting up similiar stats that Pierce did in 2004 through the first three games.

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

[quote=724Skinsfan;221224]If having Pierce is so great why are the Giants are ranked 27th in the league this year in total defense, whereas the Redskins (w/o Pierce) are ranked 15th. He's a very good LB but he's starting to look more like just another product of GW's system since Marshal is putting up similiar stats that Pierce did in 2004 through the first three games.[/quote]

So Marshall isn't a product of the system? Two guys who aren't products of the system are Carter and Archuletta. Both were bad before they came here and they remain bad.

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

[quote=RobH4413;220949]They know he's not a #1 caliber corner yet. So they throw the ball who they feel is there best receiever. [U]If someone guarding your best weapon on offense isn't your best weapon on defense, you exploit that mismatch[/U]. When Springs is in, they know he's a veteran that has played consistently, so they avoid him. Are you saying other teams believe Rodgers is our worst corner, and therefore "victimizing" him is the result? No, that's where they see the biggest mismatch. Where Sean Taylor is on the field can help also play a role. Regardless, my point was that you can't assume Rodgers is worse than Rumph or Wright because other teams are picking on him. They're exploiting the biggest mismatch in the defense and thats why they're going after him.
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My comment was being critical of you praising Pierce with defensive ranking. I think that's way to broad of a catagory to attribute to one player. The redskins defense falling down the rank doesn't necessarily point as a direct result from Pierce's departure either. Team rankings aren't a consistent enough statistic to assume that one player leaving directly impacted the ranking of the team the following year. Theres too many variables, including other defenses improving from year to year. I don't feel that's an impossible concept to grasp, and I apoligize if I was being too vague.

I'm sorry if I offended you, I simply was disagreeing with the methods you used to prove your point.[/quote]

[COLOR=black]I hate it when I overlook simple answers to convoluted arguments.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=black] [/COLOR]
[COLOR=black]Look at the points allowed for all 3 (and that includes the td's that Brunell would hand the opposing D on a weekly basis). As Lionel Hutz woud say, "Case closed your honor". [/COLOR]

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

thats all you had to say...

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

skipping the entirety of the thread, and having no idea what you guys are arguing about, I'd like to say that I seriously think we're jumping the gun on how bad he sucks. Several players looked somewhat lousy when first inserted into this D and they have developed. I met Archuletta a long time ago in AZ, and he seemed like good peeps. I really hope he gets his form and our scheme melded the way he needs to and we have a better tandem than Taylor and Clark (who I do miss, by the way... he's laid some wood this year with the steelers).

Besides, this is his girlfriend:[IMG]http://www.desktopfreestuff.com/Sexy_wallpapers/Jennifer%20Walcott/jennifer_walcott2.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

you hear all the workout stuff, but this is impressive:

When Archuleta began the Evo-Sport program, he benched 265 pounds in 2.76 seconds in the concentric or ascending phase of the lift. He squatted 273 in 3.47 seconds, ran the 40 in 4.79-4.81 and had a 26-inch vertical jump. [B][U]Today, his personal best in the bench press is 530 pounds in 1.09 seconds and in the squat, 663 pounds in 1.24 seconds.[/U][/B] At an individual workout for NFL scouts, he ran the 40-yard dash in 4.37 seconds and jumped 39 inches vertically.

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

Thanks a lot, you just me me look real bad at work

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

I gave it the PG-13 rated pic... there's plenty of nudes out there, seeing as she's a playmate and all...

you don't work at a monistery or anything, do you? lol

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

[QUOTE=canthetuna;221245]I gave it the PG-13 rated pic... there's plenty of nudes out there, seeing as she's a playmate and all...

you don't work at a monistery or anything, do you? lol[/QUOTE]

No, I work at a Japanese Jr. High School, which is probably worse than a monestary

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

[quote=Grim21Reaper;221226]So Marshall isn't a product of the system? Two guys who aren't products of the system are Carter and Archuletta. Both were bad before they came here and they remain bad.[/quote]

I didn't say that Marshall wasn't a product of GW's system.

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

[quote=soccercycbk;220444]Every game i can't help thinking what a waste of money this guy was. It must be a smack in the face to Sean Taylor whose salary is like half that of Adam's. It's a real blower that we lost Pierson.. he always seemed to step it up and is a good cover man, it would of been a good combo with him in on passing downs and Adam in for blitzes and stopping the run. I feel like we should look into signing a good cover safety or trading for one. What do you guys think?[/quote]

Patience please. I don't think that the Redskins have developed their character yet. The same can be said for AA as a Redskin. There is not sufficient input yet for me to make a sound judgement on several of our new players. This team has yet to come together.

My hope is that he will soon become the player in our defense that he has the potential to be.

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

Yea we have played 3 games and you guys are ready to cut AA and AC....lets give them some time

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

If that's his girl I'm surprised he can even focus on football.

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

[quote=DaveyFoSho;220450]he leads the team in solo tackles and is 2nd in total tackles...leave him alone for now[/quote]

I thought this forum was about his cover skills.Not his tackling ability.Just face it he sucks in coverage.

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

[quote=jamf;220508]I agree. Another downside is that we have to draft replacements. Why let smoot go is we are going to draft another corner #1? We could've used the pick at another position. I like rogers and I think he could be better than smoot but I would rather use the pick depth somewhere else. Why Draft McIntosh? If we kept pierce, Marshall would be our weakside LB. We couldve used the McIntosh PICKS(we gave away more picks to move up...) for reserve Linemen and DB's

Archuleta Needs to grasp the defence a little better. I still have hope for him but he reminds me alot of Stanley Richards :(

The one thing I dont agree with you on is drafting merriman over rogers. If we didnt have rogers we would have Rumph and Wright starting right now...
Merriman is a system linebacker who is only good at Filling a gap. He would never get on the field as a redskin. He is doing in San Diego what Lavar did for us when Schotty was coaching the skins. Put him on another team, He is just a solid big ass linebacker kinda like Kirkland of the steeler( 90's). You will never see his slow ass in coverage.[/quote] Lavar never rushed the passer like Merriman . I watched too many times Lavar get stonewalled by backup TE's ,,, Merriman is almost unblockable . Maybe you are correct about him not being a great fit in GW's 4-3 defence , but im sure we could have lined him up at DE and Lb in some 34 sets and rush the passer . He is much better at getting after the Qb than anything we have had since C. Mann . Wish we had a beast like him .

Re: Adam Archuleta
 

i second the merriman love. hindsight's 20/20, but man, he'd look good in a skins uniform.