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We're not going to win many games where you only run forty plays. What else can we say about the offense for one sunday. I really don't think there's anything wrong with the offense, sunday we just got it handed to us and that's going to happen to you in this league when you don't come ready to play. It appeared as though everything was wrong because we didn't play well, and we can't get it back. Time to move on, and hope we have more positive things to say after we beat the Titans on sunday.

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[QUOTE=mike340;226668]Control the ball? Hell, they didn't punt until the 4th quarter.[/QUOTE]

Exactly!

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[QUOTE=mike340;226668]Control the ball? Hell, they didn't punt until the 4th quarter.[/QUOTE]


The ideal situation is to control the ball against every team you play, but unfortunately it's easier said than done. I can't remember the last time we were able to play a ball control game against the Giants.

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Keep trying to compare brunell to the elite qb if you want to. ask any gm in the league who would they rather have brunell or manning or either manning. The difference between brunell and manning if your behind in the fourth quarter you know you have a chance to win or going to win with manning. Trying to compare manning to brunell is like trying to compare a sports car to a tricycle. You can make any stat you want to go in your favor but come cone on do you really think brunell a top flite qb. He so inconsitant one week good two weeks bad. Manning throw the ball down field our great sideline qb throws it behind the line or scrimmage or to the sideline 7o percent of the time. Its so high school its sad. brunell will have great stats this week against one the worst time in football and everyone will go ape about saying he back it will be a mirage. What really sad or makes me p-ss off is he suppose to be this mobile qb but everytime he under pressure or he assumes he under pressure instead of like other pro qb who step into the pocket it, Brunell just keeps backing up and up and throw the ball away instead of giving his so called playmakers a chance like the other teams do. Look at bledsoe the statue of stiffness on sunday against the eagles he ran a few time and got killed getting that td iby diving and takiing it for the team when has brunell ever done that,he just keep backing up and up or throw it away instead of running maybe getting a yard or two and sliding and taking it for the team. Get a couple of yards then go out of bounds do something else beside throwing the damn ball out of bounds. And anyone who tries to compare manning and brunell or with brady or palmer is on crack. hail to the skins

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Paragraphs and capital letters are very underrated.

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You know I thought of something we did well on Sunday. The draw play. The Redskins are a very good draw team.

The year after Gibbs left, the offensive coordinator, Rod Dowhower, used to call draw plays all the time on second down and they never worked. That team was 4 and 12 and scored 10 or fewer points 9 times. I guess it could be worse.

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lol at least that something

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;225881]
Thoughts?[/quote]

I think that the problem with the Redskins, and the Cowboys, is the QB.

That is why I never believed for a minute that neither Brunell was good after beating the Texans (come on) nor Bledsoe after beating the Titans (who by the way plays here in Washington on Sunday), and that is the team Dallas is playing next week and guess what? Bledsoe is going to look like a hero.

Some guys might say but we won against the Jaguars, yeah, but that was a solo perfermance by Moss. I mean come on, the throw was bad and Moss could have gotten a vicious hit but with his great ability makes the safety miss and runs it to the house for the OT winning TD. Both the other TDs were, in my opinion, made possible by Moss again.

Some guys say well we only had 40 sanps, or the TOP did not give the O enough time to do much. Well, that again is the QB's fault, how?

When the QB stinks as bad as our QBs, as we all know, the D will not respect the passing game and will bring more guys to the line or blitz more often. that is why you can't have as many rushing attempts as you would want and that affects your TOP.

The D didn't play as good, you know why, because THEY DID PLAY GOOD its just that you can't do too well when you are given a very slim margin of error, 19 points isn't not that high of a score to overcome.

the problem here (and I mentioned this before in other posts) Gibbs and Parcells LOVE their QBs, Brunell is the good ol' christian boy and Bledsoe is the guy Parcells drafted and doesn't want to admit that he made a mistake.

Now you could say that they don't have a better alternative, and that is the true and a very bad and costly mistake by the front office. I mean look at the money they spent on WRs this off-season and forgot one simple problem, do they have a reliable arm to throw the ball to them.

This might sound crazy, but I think it is better for the Redskins as a team to start playing Jason Campbell. Who knows? he might be the next Roethlisberger, and if he is not, well he is going to have enough experience to start next season. Brunell was washed up when he got here and it has only gotten worse, some fans get happy and jump up and down when the team wins a game, but never forget the games like the one they played in NY against a very shaky secondary, a team that I believe should've lost the game.

I say Romo and Campbell now, even if you have to sacrfice a seaons, you will have to, one way or another.

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[QUOTE=TheBigD;226977]I think that the problem with the Redskins, and the Cowboys, is the QB.[/QUOTE]

Welcome to the board Big D.

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Good post TheBigD. I agree with you 100%. Only, I don't feel starting Campbell is sacrificing the season, I think he gives us the same chance to win as Brunell when the game is put in his hands, if not better. I havent even seen him in a regular season game and say that!

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[quote=Daseal;227007]I havent even seen him in a regular season game and say that![/quote]

That's really easy to say right now.

We don't know what he can or can't do right now, so it's easy to say yeah go ahead and put him in.

I find it hard to believe the result of last week would have been any different, or in any of our losses for that matter. If the season dictates playing him, so be it. But for right now we have enough problems, and I don't think he's the magic cure all.

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[quote=TheBigD;226977]I think that the problem with the Redskins, and the Cowboys, is the QB.[/quote]

I find it puzzling you say that, when the problem in Dallas is clearly the offensive line.

Brunell and Bledsoe are similar in that if you give them time, they can get the job done. If you let them get hit down after down their effectiveness is drastically reduced.

I was amazed that Dallas didn't do more to beef up their OL during the offseason.

Pulling the QB is always the magic solution the media and the fans want and it's always the first card that is pulled when an offense struggles. Rarely is it the right move. Are the media and the fans smarter than Parcells and Gibbs? Do I even need to answer that?

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Did anyone listen to sportstalk 980 yesterday (tuesday)? On my way home from work "smokin Al" brought up some numbers on Brunell that were staggering. I can't remember exactly what it is he said but the jist of it was...Brunell is 15-16 as the starter of the redskins and out of those 31 games he has thrown for under 100 yards 7 times.....and over 200 7 times and the rest are 150 and below......or something along those lines.....he went on to say a lot more concerning his number and compared him to qb's like Couch, Garcia, Dilfer etc........players that are done basically. Anyway.....I know this particular post is wretched......but did anyone hear that and can give exactly the numbers that were used on sportstalk 980?????????

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The O is hampered by Al's lack of faith in his QB...Brunell seems scared in the pocket, and is missing his open recievers...as soon as his first option isn't there, he starts shuffling his feet...until he is gone, the skins will never be elite. Last year was a great run, and far better than any of us expected, but brunell simply can't take us there...

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[QUOTE=skinnyfan;227031]Did anyone listen to sportstalk 980 yesterday (tuesday)? On my way home from work "smokin Al" brought up some numbers on Brunell that were staggering. I can't remember exactly what it is he said but the jist of it was...Brunell is 15-16 as the starter of the redskins and out of those 31 games he has thrown for under 100 yards 7 times.....and over 200 7 times and the rest are 150 and below......or something along those lines.....he went on to say a lot more concerning his number and compared him to qb's like Couch, Garcia, Dilfer etc........players that are done basically. Anyway.....I know this particular post is wretched......but did anyone hear that and can give exactly the numbers that were used on sportstalk 980?????????[/QUOTE]


You should not include Dilfer with losers like Brunell, Garcia, & Couch. Dilfer has won a super bowl and the others never have and never will.

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[quote=irish;227036]You should not include Dilfer with losers like Brunell, Garcia, & Couch. Dilfer has won a super bowl and the others never have and never will.[/quote]


Totally Agreed......but Dilfer's time has come and gone. That, I think is the point Smokin Al is trying to make. Its time for Brunell to move on, as well as the redskins. Brunell will take us to 8-8 or 9-7 at best, which is respectable, but not what we had hoped for this year. Do I think Campbell would take us to a better record??? No, probably the same as brunell.

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[QUOTE=irish;227036]You should not include Dilfer with losers like Brunell, Garcia, & Couch. Dilfer has won a super bowl and the others never have and never will.[/QUOTE]

Does that then make Marino a loser also? Warren Moon? Fran Tarkenton?

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[quote=TAFKAS;227041]Does that then make Marino a loser also? Warren Moon? Fran Tarkenton?[/quote]


This post is way off base man. You are comparing hall of fame qb's to scrubs like dilfer, brunell, garcia etc........not even close. I don't think Irish is saying that they are losers because they didn't win the big one.

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[quote=skinnyfan;227031]Brunell is 15-16 as the starter of the redskins and out of those 31 games he has thrown for under 100 yards 7 times.....and over 200 7 times and the rest are 150 and below[/quote]

Those numbers are basically correct. He's thrown for less than 200 yards 17 times out of 31 starts. A lot of people will try to use the "game manager" defense, but Washington is 6-11 when Brunell throws for less than 200 yards. And four of those six wins came in the five game winning streak last year, when Portis was basically carrying the offense.

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[QUOTE=skinnyfan;227040]Totally Agreed......but Dilfer's time has come and gone. That, I think is the point Smokin Al is trying to make. Its time for Brunell to move on, as well as the redskins. Brunell will take us to 8-8 or 9-7 at best, which is respectable, but not what we had hoped for this year. Do I think Campbell would take us to a better record??? No, probably the same as brunell.[/QUOTE]

It is totally time for MB to move on but for some reason (I suspect because they are both very religious) Gibbs likes him. MB will get worse as the season goes on and he gets tired. This team was constructed to go to the super bowl this year but there is no way its going to happen. I'm not sure what kind of record Campbell would lead the skins to but I do know the skins have 3 draft picks tied up in him and he is sitting on the bench (getting no experience) when those 3 players could potentailly having an impact on the team.

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[QUOTE=skinnyfan;227043]This post is way off base man. You are comparing hall of fame qb's to scrubs like dilfer, brunell, garcia etc........not even close. I don't think Irish is saying that they are losers because they didn't win the big one.[/QUOTE]

Could have fooled me. He said Dilfer won a Super Bowl. And he shouldn't be compared to a loser like Brunell who never has.

Dilfer was in the right place at the right time. Brunell did take the Jags to two AFC Championship games, apart from his lack of a Super Bowl he's a better QB than Dilfer and has had a better career.

But whatever, the argument gets old. Everything is Brunell's fault. Fine.

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[QUOTE=skinnyfan;227043]This post is way off base man. You are comparing hall of fame qb's to scrubs like dilfer, brunell, garcia etc........not even close. I don't think Irish is saying that they are losers because they didn't win the big one.[/QUOTE]

Exactly Skinny. Throwing out names like garcia & couch implies loser qb's that have never won anything. Dilfer has shown he can win at least once in his career. Marino, FT, & Moon are HOFers, not losers, and have won lots of games but never the big one.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;227047]Could have fooled me. He said Dilfer won a Super Bowl. And he shouldn't be compared to a loser like Brunell who never has.

Dilfer was in the right place at the right time. Brunell did take the Jags to two AFC Championship games, apart from his lack of a Super Bowl he's a better QB than Dilfer and has had a better career.

But whatever, the argument gets old. Everything is Brunell's fault. Fine.[/QUOTE]

As much as I cant believe I'm saying it, I dont think the problems are MB's fault. I think they are Gibbs' fault. He lets MB play, he does not let Al Saunders run the O inside the 35. I'm not sure what happened to Gibbs in his time off but for whatever reason, he does not have it. Mark my words, if the skins fizzle this year Gibbs is done because even he will recognize its not working.

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[QUOTE=irish;227052]As much as I cant believe I'm saying it, I dont think the problems are MB's fault. I think they are Gibbs' fault. He lets MB play, he does not let Al Saunders run the O inside the 35. I'm not sure what happened to Gibbs in his time off but for whatever reason, he does not have it. Mark my words, if the skins fizzle this year Gibbs is done because even he will recognize its not working.[/QUOTE]

So the problem is loyalty to Brunell?

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[quote=TAFKAS;227047]Could have fooled me. He said Dilfer won a Super Bowl. And he shouldn't be compared to a loser like Brunell who never has.

Dilfer was in the right place at the right time. Brunell did take the Jags to two AFC Championship games, apart from his lack of a Super Bowl he's a better QB than Dilfer and has had a better career.

But whatever, the argument gets old. Everything is Brunell's fault. Fine.[/quote]

I didn't place the blame all on Brunell. I just wondered if anyone listened to the stats on sportstalk 980 yesterday, and Southpaw hooked me up. Somehow this thing got turned into comparing Brunell to qb's of old who were HOF's. I just wanted to make the point that Brunell's time has come and that may be attributed to our mediocre defense as well as Gibb's very conservative approach, and many many other things. I just think we are limited with Brunell. That is all.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;227055]So the problem is loyalty to Brunell?[/QUOTE]

Partly. Its also hiring people to do a job and not letting them do it. Its paying players before they play (instead of the other way around), its giving away draft picks. Its not any one of these by itself but taken in toto its created the current situation.

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[QUOTE=irish;227064]Partly. Its also hiring people to do a job and not letting them do it. Its paying players before they play (instead of the other way around), its giving away draft picks. Its not any one of these by itself but taken in toto its created the current situation.[/QUOTE]

did you say toto? Man I loved Toto. Awesome 80s rock!

As for everything else I guess we'll agree to disagree

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;227068]did you say toto? Man I loved Toto. Awesome 80s rock!

As for everything else I guess we'll agree to disagree[/QUOTE]

You never heard of the words 'in toto' for "in summary'?

I have no problems with disagreeing but I dont know what you could disagree with as everything I said is unfortunately true.

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[QUOTE=irish;227073]You never heard of the words 'in toto' for "in summary'?

I have no problems with disagreeing but I dont know what you could disagree with as everything I said is unfortunately true.[/QUOTE]

No I guess I never have. As for the rest I think it's a huge leap to assume that he's not letting people do their job. I have no idea what you mean by paying people before they play. And as for the draft picks some say oh all we have is Rogers, McIntosh, Cooley, Taylor and Campbell. I say if using draft picks to get young players hitting their prime like Lloyd (wish he'd play more though. Where you at 85? Ocho Cinco!), Randle El and Portis then that's fine by me.

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offensive production is highly correlated to the opposing teams defensive coordinator's view of mark brunell. If he believes (as I do) that brunell is washed up, he will simply dare mark to beat him (which he can't)...and focuses on the running game (which can). If the D coordinator (for some reason unbeknownst to me) fancies brunell as a legit QB, he will respect his arm, which opens up the running game, which opens up the field for play action and letting moss be moss. i think D coordinators have seen enough on him that they will start daring him to beat them (not a good sign for the skins)...he may pull out a play or two, but he won't be consistent, sadly, neither will the skins...

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I think the issue we all have to come to terms with is that this team, with all of its raw talent and wealth of coaching knowledge, just isn't very good. Blame who you want but the reality is we are a middling team at best right now and the sooner we realize that the Superbowl is out of reach this year, the sooner we can start making some pragmatic decisions about the roster and the future of the team. I have been waiting 15 years for another championship, so one more season won't kill me.

If I were king of the Redskins world, here's my list:

First, I am sick and freaking tired of all the "Brunell is not the problem" talk. He isn't the ONLY problem...but he is certainly A problem. In addition to declining skill and a complete and total fear of getting hit, the guy simply doesn't have IT. When a QB doesn't have IT, your team is doomed to mediocrity. IT is all the intangibles that makes a winner. Brunell does not have IT. HE IS NOT GOOD PEOPLE...WATCH THE GAMES WITH YOUR EYES NOT YOUR HEARTS. Mark Brunell is a good person, but he is a lousy quarterback. End of discussion. Campbell will make mistakes, but better to do it now when the season is a long shot than to ruin another season having him learn how to play in the NFL.

Offensive line. I think they are actually better than they are being credited with. A lot of the "pressure" on the QB has been a result of bad QB play, not the line itself. Not all of it mind you, but a lot of it. Run blocking has been quite respectible and it what this line was made for. Let them do what they do well...run block. As in, DON'T EVER CONSIDER PASSING ON 3rd AND 1!!!

Skill players are all there and they are plenty good...just need to get the ball in their hands.

Defense, obviously we start with the front 4. We need to spend some money on a plugger, a Ted Washington/Grady Jackson type that can stop up the middle. Give Salavea and Griffin a few more breathers ala what philly is doing right now rotating their line in and out and the pass pressure would be better. Use Carter on passing downs only as he's susceptible to the run. Also, it looks like he needs some technique work as the last game film I watched, he wasn't even close to getting around the tackle despite his speed.

Linebackers. Rocky needs to step up and be the man. I would actually consider moving Archuletta up to the WLB spot as he's proven worthless in pass protection againt WR's...he'll match up better against TE's

Secondary...needs an overhaul. Bring in another solid #1 cover guy, put Rogers in the nickel spot. Bring in a decent coverage SS, and let Taylor roam. We don't need more hitters (Something I think GWilliams is overly infatuated with), we need guys that can cover and tackle. We make slow receivers look like greased pigs right now, we can't hold onto anyone. I've never seen so many broken tackles and that include HS.

Special Teams. Frost is okay, not really a sore spot right now...place kicker on the other hand. Raise your hand if you didn't see this debacle coming. We need to lure a quality young (younger than 30) kicker away from a small market team with some cash and nip this issue in the bud.

Okay rant off, there's my list. Have at it.

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Do you work for the Redskins in the front office? Or are you Joe Gibbs, trying to trick everyone to think that you are just a fan. Man, I drank the kool aid too. But you are bathing in it. lol

I think that Mark is not washed up. However I do think that JC would be a up grade to the QB position. He's more mobile, he's got a better arm, and more up side, hopefully. Mark is at the point in his career, where his body can't hold up week in and week out. I think he would be a very good back up QB. And if he would have to enter the game he would be in pro bowl form. Because his body would not have been subject to the weekly grind of a starting QB.

Isn't it about time for Jason Campbell?














[quote=Mattyk72;227016]I find it puzzling you say that, when the problem in Dallas is clearly the offensive line.

Brunell and Bledsoe are similar in that if you give them time, they can get the job done. If you let them get hit down after down their effectiveness is drastically reduced.

I was amazed that Dallas didn't do more to beef up their OL during the offseason.

Pulling the QB is always the magic solution the media and the fans want and it's always the first card that is pulled when an offense struggles. Rarely is it the right move. Are the media and the fans smarter than Parcells and Gibbs? Do I even need to answer that?[/quote]

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;227081]No I guess I never have. As for the rest I think it's a huge leap to assume that he's not letting people do their job. I have no idea what you mean by paying people before they play. And as for the draft picks some say oh all we have is Rogers, McIntosh, Cooley, Taylor and Campbell. I say if using draft picks to get young players hitting their prime like Lloyd (wish he'd play more though. Where you at 85? Ocho Cinco!), Randle El and Portis then that's fine by me.[/QUOTE]

Gibbs himself admitted in yesterdays presser that when the O gets to the opponents 35 he starts getting involved in the playcalling and talks to saunders. That could explain some of the confusion when the O got near the 35 on Sunday. Also the coach brought in last year to recommend what plays to challenge was constantly over-ruled or ignored by Gibbs (according to media sources I've heard)

This team gives players big contracts before they have ever done anything for the team. They always need players to play up to their contract instead of finding players that outplay their contract.

The drafted players have been ok (St has been very good). As for Campbell I dont know how anyone could tell if he has been good or not since he does not play and in addition we spent 3 picks to get him.

Portis was worth giving the picks away for (I guess) but somehow denver can draft portis type RBs and not have to pay them a ton of $ and mortgage the future in the process. The other players mentioned are good but I'm just not sure they are worth what was given.

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[quote=REDSKIN1;227089]Do you work for the Redskins in the front office? Or are you Joe Gibbs, trying to trick everyone to think that you are just a fan. Man, I drank the kool aid too. But you are bathing in it. lol

I think that Mark is not washed up. However I do think that JC would be a up grade to the QB position. He's more mobile, he's got a better arm, and more up side, hopefully. Mark is at the point in his career, where his body can't hold up week in and week out. I think he would be a very good back up QB. And if he would have to enter the game he would be in pro bowl form. Because his body would not have been subject to the weekly grind of a starting QB.

Isn't it about time for Jason Campbell?[/quote]

So you think JC would be an upgrade. Based on what? What little we've seen in a few preseason games? Damn, you must be a scout or something to know that he would be in "Pro Bowl form" if he played.

Please spare me with your armchair knowledge. JC an instant Pro Bowler? Don't make me laugh. Everyone is a freaking talent scout nowadays. Please.

I guess our coaching staff is just holding this Pro Bowler in waiting back. I guess they just don't understand talent otherwise why would this incrediblely talented QB not be in the lineup if he is indeed ready for prime time and ready for the Pro Bowl.

Your thoughts on JC are based totally on speculation and what you [I]think[/I], vs. what the coaches [I]know[/I].

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[QUOTE=irish;227090]Gibbs himself admitted in yesterdays presser that when the O gets to the opponents 35 he starts getting involved in the playcalling and talks to saunders. That could explain some of the confusion when the O got near the 35 on Sunday. Also the coach brought in last year to recommend what plays to challenge was constantly over-ruled or ignored by Gibbs (according to media sources I've heard)

This team gives players big contracts before they have ever done anything for the team. They always need players to play up to their contract instead of finding players that outplay their contract.

The drafted players have been ok (St has been very good). As for Campbell I dont know how anyone could tell if he has been good or not since he does not play and in addition we spent 3 picks to get him.

Portis was worth giving the picks away for (I guess) but somehow denver can draft portis type RBs and not have to pay them a ton of $ and mortgage the future in the process. The other players mentioned are good but I'm just not sure they are worth what was given.[/QUOTE]

From the day Saunders joined he knew that Gibbs would be involved. He has to be and should be. That doesn't mean he's not letting Saunders do his job. I'm not going to touch the play before you pay argument because I really don't understand what your point is there. Campbell is an unknown, but if you choose to look at a positive (which apparently almost no one here does) is that in 2007 we'll have a starting QB who has had the benefit of learning at the NFL level for two years as opposed to a rookie thrown into the fire.

Maybe I'll start a thread on the myth of the Denver running back. Portis has more than proven he's not a Denver system back and is far better than anything they have there.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;227098]From the day Saunders joined he knew that Gibbs would be involved. He has to be and should be. That doesn't mean he's not letting Saunders do his job. I'm not going to touch the play before you pay argument because I really don't understand what your point is there. Campbell is an unknown, but if you choose to look at a positive (which apparently almost no one here does) is that in 2007 we'll have a starting QB who has had the benefit of learning at the NFL level for two years as opposed to a rookie thrown into the fire.

Maybe I'll start a thread on the myth of the Denver running back. Portis has more than proven he's not a Denver system back and is far better than anything they have there.[/QUOTE]

I'm just wondering how you know AS knew JG would be involved when Gibbs himself said he was turning the O over to AS and it seems AS has total control until the team hits the 35. I understand and expect Gibbs to make the go/no go call on 4th down but I dont understand why a team would hire people and not let them do their job.

I guess the best example I can give of pay before play is Adam Archelletta. He was decent in StL but not worth what this team is paying him.

I am wondering how you know JC will be the starter in 2007. I'm not sure he will be.

CP has shown he is not dependent in the denver system but my point is why cant the redskins find a draft these guys?

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[quote=Mattyk72;227095]So you think JC would be an upgrade. Based on what? What little we've seen in a few preseason games? Damn, you must be a scout or something to know that he would be in "Pro Bowl form" if he played.

Please spare me with your armchair knowledge. JC an instant Pro Bowler? Don't make me laugh. Everyone is a freaking talent scout nowadays. Please.

I guess our coaching staff is just holding this Pro Bowler in waiting back. I guess they just don't understand talent otherwise why would this incrediblely talented QB not be in the lineup if he is indeed ready for prime time and ready for the Pro Bowl.

Your thoughts on JC are based totally on speculation and what you [I]think[/I], vs. what the coaches [I]know[/I].[/quote]


Ok Ok calm down. If you would took time to read my post correctly Joe, oh, I mean Mattyk72. lol You would have realized that I was talking about Mark coming of the bench in a game and being in pro bowl form. Geez

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[quote]So you think JC would be an upgrade. Based on what? What little we've seen in a few preseason games? Damn, you must be a scout or something to know that he would be in "Pro Bowl form" if he played.

Please spare me with your armchair knowledge. JC an instant Pro Bowler? Don't make me laugh. Everyone is a freaking talent scout nowadays. Please.

I guess our coaching staff is just holding this Pro Bowler in waiting back. I guess they just don't understand talent otherwise why would this incrediblely talented QB not be in the lineup if he is indeed ready for prime time and ready for the Pro Bowl.

Your thoughts on JC are based totally on speculation and what you think, vs. what the coaches know.[/quote]

Matty, as usual you're blowing this out of proportion. I see no where that he says Campbell is a Pro Bowl calibre quarterback. Maybe one day he will be, but that is yet to be seen. Answer me this: have we won games BECAUSE of Mark Brunell since he's been here? Sure, he doesn't throw picks, he also throws the ball away 50% of the time on 3rd down. I don't feel Brunell is an adequate quarterback to [b]win[/b] games. If we go down by 14 points in the first quarter my hopes for a comeback are slim to none. Yes, Brunell played, for stretches, great last year. I have yet to see him play great this year.

While Campbell is an unknown, I'd rather lose with a young QB with promise learning, than an old QB losing it and on the decline. Campbell can make teams at least worry about the down field pass, especially with the speed we have to WR (maybe even RB, I'd love to see Portis run something deep!) Which will open up the offense. He'll certainly make a lot more mistakes, no one's doubting that.

That said, people such as Pat Kirwan (NFL Radio) mentioned before the season even started that he wasn't high on the Redskins namely because of Mark Brunell and thought that the skins wouldn't lose anything by starting Campbell, maybe even gain something. So there's a GM giving you that info. It's no secret that Gibbs has hardons for veterans, and obviously has trouble letting go when the time is right.

This is turning into "Mark Brunell didn't lose the Giants game for us." which is certainly true. However, he also did nothing to win it. It's time for the future, I simply don't think Mark Brunell can make teams respect him. If you can get any pressure with your front four, our offense is dead.

[quote]I'm just wondering how you know AS knew JG would be involved when Gibbs himself said he was turning the O over to AS and it seems AS has total control until the team hits the 35. I understand and expect Gibbs to make the go/no go call on 4th down but I dont understand why a team would hire people and not let them do their job.[/quote]
Most head coaches in the NFL have large egos. I don't think Gibbs is any different. They can't stand not being in "control".

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Gibbs himself hired AS to take control of the O. If JG did not want to be in control why hire AS in the 1st place?

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Doesn't anyone else here find it ironic that people get all excited when talking about Gibbs' loyalty to the Redskins organization ("Oh he said he could never coach another team. He's not like Parcells. He's awesome!") yet at the same time bitch and moan when he shows loyalty to his players?