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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;226181]Man it's going to be a long week[/QUOTE]



One year we're going to have a season like the Dolphins did in 72 and we won't have anything to complain about. There's a huge difference between a win and a loss.

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[quote=Longtimefan;226387]One year we're going to have a season like the Dolphins did in 72 and we won't have anything to complain about. There's a huge difference between a win and a loss.[/quote]

wouldn't that be nice.

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[quote=Longtimefan;226387]One year we're going to have a season like the Dolphins did in 72 and we won't have anything to complain about. There's a huge difference between a win and a loss.[/quote]

Trust me, there will always be something to complain about.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;226457]Trust me, there will always be something to complain about.[/QUOTE]


It'd be pretty quiet around here if there weren't.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;226457]Trust me, there will always be something to complain about.[/QUOTE]


You're probably right.

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[quote=Beemnseven;226467]It'd be pretty quiet around here if there weren't.[/quote]

I know.

Losing brings out all the armchair geniuses. That's not meant as a slam towards you, just a general comment.

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Joe Gibbs has always been somewhat conservative. Those fake punts and 4th down gambles you speak of were few and far between.

Everyone wants to blame this person and that person for why they lose...plain and simple the redskins lost the line of scrimmage on Sunday on both sides of the ball.

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[QUOTE=celts32;226482]Joe Gibbs has always been somewhat conservative. Those fake punts and 4th down gambles you speak of were few and far between.

Everyone wants to blame this person and that person for why they lose...plain and simple the redskins lost the line of scrimmage on Sunday on both sides of the ball.[/QUOTE]


Bingo - bammo. Post of the day, right there. And celts is exactly right -- Gibbs has never been a "oh the hell with it" gambler. Sure, he'll call for a flea-flicker or an option pass in the right situation, but do you ever wonder if he still believes he has Mark Moseley or Chip Lohmiller warming up on the sidelines ready to boot one easily down the middle for 50 yards?

Not only that, I believe it sometimes escapes him that the defense takes over at the spot of the kick, not the original line of scrimmage, on a missed field goal.

Whichever, it speaks volumes about his confidence in the offensive line.

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[quote=Beemnseven;226491]Bingo - bammo. Post of the day, right there. And celts is exactly right -- Gibbs has never been a "oh the hell with it" gambler. Sure, he'll call for a flea-flicker or an option pass in the right situation, but do you ever wonder if he still believes he has Mark Moseley or Chip Lohmiller warming up on the sidelines ready to boot one easily down the middle for 50 yards?

Not only that, I believe it sometimes escapes him that the defense takes over at the spot of the kick, not the original line of scrimmage, on a missed field goal.

Whichever, it speaks volumes about his confidence in the offensive line.[/quote]
This team with Brunell is starting to remind me of the '85 team with a fast fading Theismann. That team had virtually no downfield passing game until the play after LT ended Theismann's career. That first play was a 40 yard laser from Schroeder to Monk. Brunell may have enough left to steal an occasional win from a good team as he did last week, but he's inconsistent enough to have 100-yard passing games with alarming frequency.

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I cringed on 3rd down and 1 when we passed, and cried out "what is he thinking" on 4th and 1 when they went for the FG. Down 16-3 the FG didn't make a difference...not because of the number of scores, but because the Giants hadn't had to punt once the whole game. I "knew" they would get some more points, and we wouldn't get a chance for many more drives. If we had our normal defense I would have been OK with it. In short,
Gibbs is a great coach, but we all make mistakes. This, I feel, was one of his.

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[IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon8.gif[/IMG] [B]Joe Gibbs becoming like Mary Schottemhiemer

Who the heck is Mary Schottemhiemer????????????
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[quote=MightyJoeGibbs;226536][IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon8.gif[/IMG] [B]Joe Gibbs becoming like Mary Schottemhiemer

Who the heck is Mary Schottemhiemer????????????
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Marty's alter ego when he's feelin' sexy.

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OK, I said Mary to imply, that football is a mans game. Lets call it like men!!!

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[quote=chris36;226688]OK, I said Mary to imply, that football is a mans game. Lets call it like men!!![/quote]


schottenheimer

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[quote=Beemnseven;226244]Yes, it was a bad coaching decision, and if Hall makes it, it's still a two-score game in a contest where your offense is struggling anyway. It's not as simple as "TAKE THE POINTS" anymore with John Hall. 42 yards for him is not automatic like it was 5 years ago. You have nothing to show for a productive drive when you miss a field goal too. One yard was all they needed -- [U]one stinking yard[/U].

Outside runner or not, Clinton Portis is supposed to get you one yard when you need it. Even if you think Portis isn't the right guy for 4th and 1, then why did they bring in T.J. Duckett?[/quote]

I agree with you now, given the newly discovered status of Hall during the game. He wasn't healthy at that point. Gibbs knew he wasn't healthy... bad call, run on 4th and 1.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Duckett was inactive for the game. That's why you can't bring in Duckett. I simply think that it would have been a very tough yard...as opposed to one stinking one. In the meadowlands, we weren't getting anything done, so it wouldn't suprise me if we couldn't muster the strength to get that one extra yard. I'll climb within 2 scores before i'll risk going for it on 4th and 1 in NY every time, especially given the context of this particular game.

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[quote=illdefined;226161]I'll comment. not toughing out that 4th and 1 in a tough divisional away game when you're behind sent a direct message to the offense that they weren't believed in. and they played accordingly after that.

huge missed opportunity. and i think Gibbs's first real apparent mistake this season. regardless if the FG was made or not.[/quote]

I was there and they looked like they did not believe in themselves all day. It was not something that was revealed after the field goal attempt.
Two straight years of going to Giant's Stadium with my son and the second straight year of extreem disappointment. They were not the team that played the Jaguars and they did not play as if this were a divisional rival. There was no spark.
I don't second guess Gibbs. Not because he is Joe Gibbs but because he knows a whole lot more about NFL football than any of us.

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i cant doubt Joe Gibbs the man has done so much for the Redskins and NFL. That being said i would of loved to see them pound it with Clinton or TJ get the first down and continue that momentum changing drive.

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[QUOTE=RobH4413;226693]I agree with you now, given the newly discovered status of Hall during the game. He wasn't healthy at that point. Gibbs knew he wasn't healthy... bad call, run on 4th and 1.

[B]Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Duckett was inactive for the game. [/B]That's why you can't bring in Duckett. I simply think that it would have been a very tough yard...as opposed to one stinking one. In the meadowlands, we weren't getting anything done, so it wouldn't suprise me if we couldn't muster the strength to get that one extra yard. I'll climb within 2 scores before i'll risk going for it on 4th and 1 in NY every time, especially given the context of this particular game.[/QUOTE]

Duckett was active. Even so, they gave the ball to Portis on the goal line last week against Jacksonville. I'm not as convinced as everyone else seems to be that Portis is useless in short yardage.

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[QUOTE=LBrown43;226694]I was there and they looked like they did not believe in themselves all day. It was not something that was revealed after the field goal attempt.
Two straight years of going to Giant's Stadium with my son and the second straight year of extreem disappointment. They were not the team that played the Jaguars and they did not play as if this were a divisional rival. There was no spark.
I don't second guess Gibbs. Not because he is Joe Gibbs but because he knows a whole lot more about NFL football than any of us.[/QUOTE]

a field goal never caused a turnoaround spark, much less a missed one. in fact, aside from a turnover, there's nothing more deflating especially after the longest sustained drive all game.

i know they didn't believe in themselves, making it on 4th and 1 was just the situation to get some confidence and get back into the game. alas, Gibbs/Saunders played like they were already beaten and the team accepted it.

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[QUOTE=chris36;226153]I hate to say it, but Joe is becoming to concervative. In his first go around he was a risk taker. [B]Now he plays not loose.[/B][/QUOTE]

Is that the same as tight?

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[QUOTE=illdefined;226907]a field goal never caused a turnoaround spark, much less a missed one. [B]in fact, aside from a turnover, there's nothing more deflating especially after the longest sustained drive all game.[/B]

i know they didn't believe in themselves, making it on 4th and 1 was just the situation to get some confidence and get back into the game. alas, Gibbs/Saunders played like they were already beaten and the team accepted it.[/QUOTE]

How about NOT making it on 4th down?

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[QUOTE=mheisig;226911]How about NOT making it on 4th down?[/QUOTE]

they had just marched down the field, they were just starting to feel good for the first time the entire game. these are competitive guys and they were just beginning to roll. if they tried and failed, at least they'd know Gibbs had some faith in them and felt they could make it. going for the FG took it completely out of their hands.

(btw losing it on 4th is technically a turnover)

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[QUOTE=mheisig;226911]How about NOT making it on 4th down?[/QUOTE]

Okay, and then what? They win 26-3 instead of 19-3?

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Just saw this stat from today's Post about Gibbs. Maybe Joe is becoming like Schottenheimer, from the standpoint of a .500 coach.

The Redskins will play the 40th game of the second Gibbs era on Sunday -- including the playoffs -- and stand at 19-20. Six of those wins came during the team's winning streak in December and January of last season, the only momentum the team has shown since this staff took over in 2004.

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Wow, that is not that great. Hey, I still think he is a great coach, but I truly think he has become to concervative. I hope I am wrong.

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[quote=Twilbert07;227065]Just saw this stat from today's Post about Gibbs. Maybe Joe is becoming like Schottenheimer, from the standpoint of a .500 coach.

The Redskins will play the 40th game of the second Gibbs era on Sunday -- including the playoffs -- and stand at 19-20. Six of those wins came during the team's winning streak in December and January of last season, the only momentum the team has shown since this staff took over in 2004.[/quote]

The game must be passing Parcells by too, he's 17-19 over that same time period.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;227230]The game must be passing Parcells by too, he's 17-19 over that same time period.[/QUOTE]

That wasn't the charge. It was simply a statement of fact -- that Gibbs is hovering at .500 forty games into his second stint as head coach. Almost two and a half years after his return, it looks like the Redskins are still an average team, getting average results, but with high-priced, above average talent at key positions. Which is exactly what the state of the organization was leading up to Gibbs' return. So let me ask you, didn't you expect a slightly different story at this point?

And maybe the game [I]is[/I] passing Parcells by.

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Gibbs had a tough first season and a moderately sucessful second season which makes him around .500. There's nothing earth-shattering there. What happens the rest of this year, though, will have a huge impact on how the second Gibbs term is perceived. They need to at least equal last year's playoff berth to come close to matching expectations.

I'm sensing a lot of anti-Gibbs sentimant in here today. Blasphemy!

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[quote=Beemnseven;227257]That wasn't the charge. It was simply a statement of fact -- that Gibbs is hovering at .500 forty games into his second stint as head coach. Almost two and a half years after his return, it looks like the Redskins are still an average team, getting average results, but with high-priced, above average talent at key positions. Which is exactly what the state of the organization was leading up to Gibbs' return. So let me ask you, didn't you expect a slightly different story at this point?

And maybe the game [I]is[/I] passing Parcells by.[/quote]

The season isn't over yet.

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[quote=mheisig;226910]Is that the same as tight?[/quote]

yes, yes it is

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;227273]The season isn't over yet.[/QUOTE]

You still sticking with your 11-5 prediction?

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marty and joe gibbs....i got three big differences...lets start with the three superbowl wins...i think marty has none. coaches coach and players play. the players need to take a good look in the mirror and start making the plays. thats all there is too it. Comparing gibbs to marty is like apples and oranges. I cant believe i even answered this joke ass thread.

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It was a horrible coaching decision, plain and simple.

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[quote=Beemnseven;227323]You still sticking with your 11-5 prediction?[/quote]

10-6

bank on it

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Joe Gibbs definetly needs to take more risks. I keep hearing how he adjusts to the personell he has. Well if he is going to win, with ultra concervative Brunell, he better adjust and start taking chances.

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I think you may be right. i have watched Joe Gibbs for years and he is a master at learning from his mistakes. He also will adjust and change his game plan to take advantage of his teams strengths

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i still think that the skins will win 11 games, not that anyone cares

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Who's Mary Schottemheimer, and why is Gibbs becoming like her? He's not getting a sex change operation, is he?

All that aside, if this is the case, that the game is passing Gibbs by, then there are plenty of other coaches in the same boat, or never had a grasp of the game in the first place (insert Spurrier jokes here). Gibbs hovering at .500 is fine, as that includes a 10-6 playoff appearance last year. Insert another new offensive scheme, and it'll take a while for the players to adjust. Injuries on defense have been crucial to their play as well.

19-20 means 13-10 since after the first season. Gibbs is producing, and will continue to do so once the personnel starts to click like clock work.

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[quote=chris36;226153]I hate to say it, but Joe is becoming to concervative. In his first go around he was a risk taker. Now he plays not loose. I could not believe it when they did not go for it on forth down, I watched them pass on third and one and said to myself, I guess Joe figured that he was in four down territory and was going to run on forth down. I was shocked when they kicked a field goal. This showed no confidence in our offense and at 16 to 3made no real sense. If they had scored a touch down the momentum would have been completely turned around. We need to play to win. Come on Joe, remember those fake punts, remember those forth and ones(John Riggins, superbowl). Joe was an offensive powerhouse the first time around.[/quote]
ARe u friggin kidding me !!?!?!? Joe is nothing like that cupcake

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10-6 all day holla lol