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[QUOTE=VTSkins897;227493]what would steve perry do?[/QUOTE]
He would reunite Journey and lead us to the promised land.

At this moment, McNabb is the best QB in the league, much less weaker than Campbell. The Eagles may not have the playmakers, but they are the best team in the NFC East.

The Skins need their D to pick it up. Springs being sidelined has hurt the most, but I think once he comes back, you'll see a spring the the D's step.

Whether it's Brunell, Collins, or Campbell, the offense lives and dies by the run. We need to establish the run and set up the play fakes, and the fly routes. It'll all come together. 4-3 or 3-4 into the bye week can set up for a glorious 2nd half.

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Please don't be silly, and don't just focus on one aspect of my post. I'm tired of looking forward to posts by Dallas supporters knowing that they'll be more positive than those posted by (many) Redskin fans.

To the best of my recollection, only one person criticizing Brunell earlier admitted he played well later. And I think you were it. So take pride in your accomplishment, but don't give others credit they don't deserve.

On a prior post, you pointed to an article that said Brunell was the worst comeback QB since 1996. (I don't have the location at this time.) Two things stood out:
(1) By their criterion, Ramsey is one of the worst, and his record when they could come back in the 4th quarter was 0-11. Brunell is only worse because he has played many more games.
(2) QBs get NO credit for maintaining a lead. I disagree with this. I agree if the QB is on a team that can get rushing first downs when the other team knows they will rush. But when some passes are necessary this should also be credited to the QB. One of Brunell's strengths is that he doesn't throw many picks. So to ignore this in his case is significant.

And the person I'm referring to is "chief chucking my rat"... oops "spear". Oops, make those all CAPITAL LETTERS.

[QUOTE=Southpaw;227503]That's funny, because a post like this makes me think Mark Brunell is on the board. Chill out Mark. You can only break 250 yards three times a season. Hell, even 400 yards is a fairy tale for you. But don't worry buddy. Even though your production has become as erratic as your old pal Patrick Ramsey, the majority of this forum will still support you because Coach Gibbs loves you.:laughing2[/QUOTE]

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[quote=hesscl34;227358] All we need is fans that believe and trust... [/quote]



Oh... and one thing I forgot....




Dust.


"Dust????"


Just a little bit of Fairy Dust.

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;227358]I know 2-3 isn't great.. and I know we have issues to overcome... but we DO have the talent and we do have smart coaches. All we need is fans that believe and trust... I do!!! Trust in the Skins. Give them the 12th man this weekend. It's time to ROCK and make this season REAL!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]



There are many of us faithful who are going to hang right in there with you (including me) but there is a bottom line that is not going away. We basically have four games left to our season that will determine any hope of a playoff berth following this season. The two games left with Philly, one each with the Giants and Cowboys will pretty much determine our fate. Regardless of what we do in those other games on the schedule, those are the only one's that really matter.

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[quote=mike340;227523]Please don't be silly, and don't just focus on one aspect of my post. I'm tired of looking forward to posts by Dallas supporters knowing that they'll be more positive than those posted by (many) Redskin fans.

To the best of my recollection, only one person criticizing Brunell earlier admitted he played well later. And I think you were it. So take pride in your accomplishment, but don't give others credit they don't deserve.
[/quote]

I have no problem with the fact that your opinion differs from mine. You just made some nasty comments directed towards the Brunell haters, which I thought deserved a response. I made a silly response to lighten the mood a little bit, so things didn't get out of hand.

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[quote=canthetuna;227524]Oh... and one thing I forgot....




Dust.


"Dust????"


Just a little bit of Fairy Dust.[/quote]

har har.... There is a lot to be said about postive thought. The mental game is just as important the the physical one. Postive energy is REAL and it if it comes in a dose of 92,000 it WILL have an affect!

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;227549]har har.... There is a lot to be said about postive thought. The mental game is just as important the the physical one. Postive energy is REAL and it if it comes in a dose of 92,000 it WILL have an affect![/QUOTE]
We should all rub our foreheads with crystals and wear pyramid shaped hats to focus that positive energy into an invisible 12th player who will lead our offense into the endzone, trip their offense at the line of scrimmage, and give Jeff Fisher a wedgie every couple of minutes.

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[QUOTE=VTSkins897;227493]the question is...

what would steve perry do?[/QUOTE]

I'll tell you what he wouldn't do, and that's [I]Stop;[/I] as in "stop believing."

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;227550]We should all rub our foreheads with crystals and wear pyramid shaped hats to focus that positive energy into an invisible 12th player who will lead our offense into the endzone, trip their offense at the line of scrimmage, and give Jeff Fisher a wedgie every couple of minutes.[/quote]

Whatever. Be a negative ninny if you want....

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;227552]Whatever. Be a negative ninny if you want....[/QUOTE]

Negative? Who's being negative? Positive thinking is fine and all, but it takes more than that to accomplish anything in sports/work/life than positive thinking and a chipper smile. We could be the happiest people in the world but if the players don't do their jobs out there on the field it isn't going to mean shit.

I say we need anxiety and we need to fret over the games because that adds excitement when we pull out a game like the Monday Night Miracle last season. If we totally ignored the possibilty that we could every lose again why would we even watch the games, just to say "I told you so"? It's the struggle that creates the drama that keep sports interesting.

And what in the hell is a "ninny" exactly??

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And don't get me wrong; I'm not saying I always expect the Redskins to lose or that I never want them to have a perfect season or something like that. I just try to be a realist about it and I try to value every win we get.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;227556]Negative? Who's being negative? Positive thinking is fine and all, but it takes more than that to accomplish anything in sports/work/life than positive thinking and a chipper smile. We could be the happiest people in the world but if the players don't do their jobs out there on the field it isn't going to mean shit.

I say we need anxiety and we need to fret over the games because that adds excitement when we pull out a game like the Monday Night Miracle last season. If we totally ignored the possibilty that we could every lose again why would we even watch the games, just to say "I told you so"? It's the struggle that creates the drama that keep sports interesting.

And what in the hell is a "ninny" exactly??[/quote]

I SAID the mental is just as important as the physical. I didn't say that it was all mental.... Sheesh. What a ninny....

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Boobs. But that's what old people call them... ;)

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;227560]Boobs. But that's what old people call them... ;)[/quote]

EH! I'm the hottest old person you know!! haha.. :)

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Wow man, I'm really trippin' on all the negative vibes ---

Has the thread moved on to body parts now? Groovy.

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Well, if Grillz's mom is as hot as his little sister, then you have competition! LOL

J/K Grillz. Kinda.

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Nah, I'm making a serious effort to stay on task now. Seriously, if we want to talk positive. Let's talk positive. Our offense has shown potential against one of the best defenses in the league. We STILL have one of the top three backs in the league. Once we can figure out a good gameplan each week, we have one of the best receiving corps in the league (Lloyd got the ball in SF, why not here?). It's all about Saunders learning what he has to work with and gameplanning from there. If we can get Springs back soon, the defense and offense can bail each other out until they're firing on all cylinders.

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tmc, do you really think springs coming back is the answer to all the woes? man, i sure hope so. as talented as this team is, one big game could shift the big MO in the redskins way. get on a roll. i still see 11 wins. I'm sticking to it

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I don't think it's the answer, but I think just like Portis being back, it'll help a lot. It's definitely a team game, but individuals are vital cogs in the game plan. Even if you have an above average team around you, losing an extremely talented player takes the overall effectiveness of that team down. As with the defense this year, Springs being out shouldn't affect the team, but you better believe GW doesn't call as many blitzes as he normally would. Remember that first preseason game against the Bengals? That was Williams at his best with Springs in there. He can leave his CBs on an island because he trusts them both.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;227550]We should all rub our foreheads with crystals and wear pyramid shaped hats to focus that positive energy into an invisible 12th player who will lead our offense into the endzone, trip their offense at the line of scrimmage, and give Jeff Fisher a wedgie every couple of minutes.[/quote]



:owned::funnypost

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Springs is one of the better CBs in the league. Any time you get his caliber type player back, it can only help. Plus I think, as one of the older vets on D, he's a catalyst, kinda like Darrell Green was.

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Actually, I think you've got the perfect name to represent Brunell!

[quote=Southpaw;227529]I have no problem with the fact that your opinion differs from mine. You just made some nasty comments directed towards the Brunell haters, which I thought deserved a response. I made a silly response to lighten the mood a little bit, so things didn't get out of hand.[/quote]

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Who smells funck?

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This thread really encapsulates the main disagreement which has sort of been the theme of this website since I joined - whether fans should be openly critical of their team or should try to be more supportive, even when things aren't gong so well. I think it's great that we have both kind of people here. Often, when I think things can't get any worse, I'll hop on hear and read a post from one of the optimists and think, well, our backs are against the walls but maybe we do have a shot still.

The problem I have is with pompous fans on this board and elsewhere who act like, because they refuse to brook any negative thoughts concerning the team, they are somehow superior fans. That's garbage. I've flip flopped on my opinion of this team about four times this season already, but that doesn't make me a fairweather fan. A fairweather fan is one of these so called Eagles fans, who when Mcnabb goes down and needs surgery decides they will go play golf on sundays for the rest of the season. Now the team is winning they are hooting and hollering again. A fairweather fan is someone who, when things get bad, stops watching. That's not me, and I don't think that's most people here. When people say some of our fans are too negative, well, that's what happens when you suck for over a decade. But you know what? During that team we didn't have one game that wasn't a sellout, and I know I didn't miss a game. Not many other teams can say that.

Also, there has repeatedly been a suggestion on this site that somehow people want the Skins to fail, and I am directing this at whoever wrote that ridiculous post claiming that even if Brunell played great people would still attack him (an argument which has been made in some form for over 2 years now). People criticize Brunell because he frequently plays terrible. I actually think Skins nation is relatively easy on him, when you consider the rest of the country thinks he can't even play NFL football anymore. So look, when the Skins play like crap and get dominated in a game they are supposed to be equipeed to win, or at lests COMPETE in, don't expect everyone to act like everything is okay. But we sign on here, we share ideas, and no matter what, we are closer as fans. That's how it should work.

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[quote=hesscl34;227596]Who smells funck?[/quote]


Who spells funk???

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I believe I am the person you are referring to. The following behavior I accept.
PLAYS lousy ; COMMENTS: he's lousy
PLAYS lousy ; COMMENTS: he's lousy
PLAYS great : COMMENTS: he played great
PLAYS great : COMMENTS: he played great
PLAYS lousy : COMMENTS: he played lousy
(I wonder why I picked that scenario?)

The following I do NOT accept:
PLAYS lousy : COMMENTS : he's lousy
PLAYS lousy : COMMENTS : he's lousy
PLAYS great : COMMENTS : silence or "It was meaningless or lucky"
PLAYS great : COMMENTS : silence or "It was meanlingless or lucky"
PLAYS lousy : COMMENTS : he's lousy

I don't think this request is unreasonable. But the group who advocates the second approach feels this two-facedness if fine. If you would like the names of the people I think are inappropriate I could give it, but I think it would be inappropriate.

I have never felt, however, that some people would rather be right than have the Redskins succeed. That is a different poster.

[QUOTE=djnemo65;227657]This thread really encapsulates the main disagreement which has sort of been the theme of this website since I joined - whether fans should be openly critical of their team or should try to be more supportive, even when things aren't gong so well. I think it's great that we have both kind of people here. Often, when I think things can't get any worse, I'll hop on hear and read a post from one of the optimists and think, well, our backs are against the walls but maybe we do have a shot still.

The problem I have is with pompous fans on this board and elsewhere who act like, because they refuse to brook any negative thoughts concerning the team, they are somehow superior fans. That's garbage. I've flip flopped on my opinion of this team about four times this season already, but that doesn't make me a fairweather fan. A fairweather fan is one of these so called Eagles fans, who when Mcnabb goes down and needs surgery decides they will go play golf on sundays for the rest of the season. Now the team is winning they are hooting and hollering again. A fairweather fan is someone who, when things get bad, stops watching. That's not me, and I don't think that's most people here. When people say some of our fans are too negative, well, that's what happens when you suck for over a decade. But you know what? During that team we didn't have one game that wasn't a sellout, and I know I didn't miss a game. Not many other teams can say that.

Also, there has repeatedly been a suggestion on this site that somehow people want the Skins to fail, and I am directing this at whoever wrote that ridiculous post claiming that even if Brunell played great people would still attack him (an argument which has been made in some form for over 2 years now). People criticize Brunell because he frequently plays terrible. I actually think Skins nation is relatively easy on him, when you consider the rest of the country thinks he can't even play NFL football anymore. So look, when the Skins play like crap and get dominated in a game they are supposed to be equipeed to win, or at lests COMPETE in, don't expect everyone to act like everything is okay. But we sign on here, we share ideas, and no matter what, we are closer as fans. That's how it should work.[/QUOTE]

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Unless they're fans of another team I fail to see why you'd want the Skins to fail?

I want them to win but I want them to win with Campbell. I didn't see Brunell being a good option last season nor this season. Am I happy if they win with Brunell? Sure. Are they? Not often or consistently enough for me.

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[quote=hesscl34;227358]I know 2-3 isn't great.. and I know we have issues to overcome... but we DO have the talent and we do have smart coaches. All we need is fans that believe and trust... I do!!! Trust in the Skins. Give them the 12th man this weekend. It's time to ROCK and make this season REAL!!!!!!!!![/quote]Yeah, and our schedule has been tougher than the average one too. Yeah, the G-Men made us look bad, but unlike the loss to Minnesota, we have a pushover game the next week. It's a game we can win even if we come out playing poorly in the first half. Then you have Indy, and I'm [I]this[/I] close to guarenteeing a victory. Yeah, the Colts are undefeated, but if they played our schedule they wouldn't be. Although the bye helped the Giants against us, I can only see it hurting the Colts. They don't get to play us very often, and probably won't come up with a great gameplan. Plus, I would expect them to come out rusty, 5-0. If we can jump on them early, the defense can [I]finally[/I] have a breakout game. That will be our statement game as we go 4-0 in the South.

And the schedule gets much easier from there on out.

13-3 is still the target. 12-4 is more realistic.

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Well, when this team wakes up and start playing up to the potential then, I will start drinking that kool-aid. What this team needs is not to be stroked but, to be kicked in the ass. Wake up bitches and start winning ball games! There is no such thing as a game we should lose. Good teams don't believe in that crap! Week-in and week-out you, you dress out and you flat out win games! Period!

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Guys, we have had three years to prepare for good things since the "trinity" has come back to us. My fear is that we are running out of time to be successful with Gibbs. Last year was great but, if this year is not better than it was indeed a failure. Which in turn could only hurt Gibbs' legacy. Time is ticking..........Good teams win.

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Stop The Negativity!!!!

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Good teams find a way to win on the road. No excuses for the loss to the Giants; we NEEDED to win that game. We're already 0-2 in division games.

That being said, we must stick with the team and not throwing in the towel. It's way to early to do that. I am having an extremely hard time believing that we're Super Bowl contenders at this point--even the playoffs would be nice. Kind of feels like we took 3 steps back from last year's solid showing. Who knows what's going on?

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Just remember this, "there are two types of people, those who talk about doing and, those who do." Just win football games and the negativity will stop.

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Keep the negative coming, I don't really care. It really doesn't matter what the fans think at all. If we win, we win, or we lose. We will see at the end of the season.

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Amen!

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;227657]This thread really encapsulates the main disagreement which has sort of been the theme of this website since I joined - whether fans should be openly critical of their team or should try to be more supportive, even when things aren't gong so well. I think it's great that we have both kind of people here. Often, when I think things can't get any worse, I'll hop on hear and read a post from one of the optimists and think, well, our backs are against the walls but maybe we do have a shot still.

The problem I have is with pompous fans on this board and elsewhere who act like, because they refuse to brook any negative thoughts concerning the team, they are somehow superior fans. That's garbage. I've flip flopped on my opinion of this team about four times this season already, but that doesn't make me a fairweather fan. A fairweather fan is one of these so called Eagles fans, who when Mcnabb goes down and needs surgery decides they will go play golf on sundays for the rest of the season. Now the team is winning they are hooting and hollering again. A fairweather fan is someone who, when things get bad, stops watching. That's not me, and I don't think that's most people here. When people say some of our fans are too negative, well, that's what happens when you suck for over a decade. But you know what? During that team we didn't have one game that wasn't a sellout, and I know I didn't miss a game. Not many other teams can say that.

Also, there has repeatedly been a suggestion on this site that somehow people want the Skins to fail, and I am directing this at whoever wrote that ridiculous post claiming that even if Brunell played great people would still attack him (an argument which has been made in some form for over 2 years now). People criticize Brunell because he frequently plays terrible. I actually think Skins nation is relatively easy on him, when you consider the rest of the country thinks he can't even play NFL football anymore. So look, when the Skins play like crap and get dominated in a game they are supposed to be equipeed to win, or at lests COMPETE in, don't expect everyone to act like everything is okay. But we sign on here, we share ideas, and no matter what, we are closer as fans. That's how it should work.[/QUOTE]

I don't how thinking positive makes me pompous. The fact that I don't get a heart attack after every loss doesn't mean I don't have concerns about the team or care any less than those on this board that act like the world has ended after a missed field goal. As for the Brunell argument, it's legit. For the most part whatever praise he has gotten has been reluctant at best.

Fairweather to me are those who say they're done with the team, never to watch them again...only to come back the next week. Or those that say things like "we can never win as long as Snyder is the owner." Well if you think that way (and I'm not talking about you here nemo) then why even bother?

That all being sad I, and I think a lot of other people here, know that for up to 72 hours after a loss 95% of what is written on this board is not worth putting any stock in because everyone writes out of frustration.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;227713]I don't how thinking positive makes me pompous. The fact that I don't get a heart attack after every loss doesn't mean I don't have concerns about the team or care any less than those on this board that act like the world has ended after a missed field goal. As for the Brunell argument, it's legit. For the most part whatever praise he has gotten has been reluctant at best.

Fairweather to me are those who say they're done with the team, never to watch them again...only to come back the next week. Or those that say things like "we can never win as long as Snyder is the owner." Well if you think that way (and I'm not talking about you here nemo) then why even bother?

That all being sad I, and I think a lot of other people here, know that for up to 72 hours after a loss 95% of what is written on this board is not worth putting any stock in because everyone writes out of frustration.[/QUOTE]

I dont think you are pompous Tafkas, you are actually a very gracious moderator who I have always found to be extremely respectful of differing viewpoints. My point was that its pompous to presume that optimism makes one a better fan than someone who is more critical. I can be very critical - I am probably the only person in my family who isn't prescribed anti-depressants, and it shows. I criticize all sorts of things. My friends call me the movie-Nazi. I frequently say very mean things about the Redskins and their players. My whole family does. If you heard us talking at dinner you might wonder if we even like the Redskins. But we are a family of true fans. I have a problem with anyone who questions my fandom because of that.

I wasn't trying to be divisive in anyway. Let me try and restate my point, hopefully more clearly. We all as different people bring different perspectives to the table, and some are just more critical people in general. But we are equal fans (in theory at least). It's not this thread that bugged me so much, its just that there's this whole tradition of argument going back to my first time visiting this board that says, or at least implies, that one who is critical is not as strong a fan as one who "trusts in Gibbs."

The point I was trying to make about Brunell is this: just because someone is reluctant to heap praise on a guy whose tenure here has been so hugely mediocre doesn't mean they have something against him or are rooting for him to lose. For the record, I have eaten crow on Brunell on this board at least 3 times in the past calender year (and then flipflopped back to saying, ha, I was right the first time!) It's not just me, btw, its also the entire national sports media.

Finally, if you come back the next week, you are not a fairweather fan! That's ridiculous. A fairweather fan is, by definition, one who waits until, ya know, the weather gets fairer to come back, not immediately proceeding an obviously demoralizing loss.

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[quote=Beemnseven;227374]
They have Donovan McNabb -- we have Mark Brunell, until both of his legs get broken, then Gibbs [B]MIGHT[/B] pull him in favor of Todd Collins. Campbell could be better than McNabb in the year 2009, but that's just speculation.
[/quote]
I agree ...Not until Both legs are broken and maybe an arm....

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;227723]Finally, if you come back the next week, you are not a fairweather fan! That's ridiculous. A fairweather fan is, by definition, one who waits until, ya know, the weather gets fairer to come back, not immediately proceeding an obviously demoralizing loss.[/QUOTE]

Sorry. I meant to write it to say "comes back the next week after a win"

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we need steve perry