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Matty, I've yet to see evidence of Brunell running the Offense efficiently.

It's always something minor that becomes major.

The D is disappointing, the Offense has too many weapons to be this lethargic.

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Who voted NO?

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[quote=RedskinRat;228765]Matty, I've yet to see evidence of Brunell running the Offense efficiently.

It's always something minor that becomes major.

The D is disappointing, the Offense has too many weapons to be this lethargic.[/quote]

Regardless, 3 TDs should be enough to beat an 0-5 team.

Henry running for 178 yards, are you kidding me?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;228760]I'd say the D is the bigger problem. Henry had a career day and put us in the position where Brunell was forcing the issue. When a back runs for 178 on you it's tough to win no matter who your QB is. Brunell can manage the game well enough with support but the defense is a major disappointment right now and is giving us no help at all.[/QUOTE]

Yes, much of this is on the defense. But consider this: When the score was tied 22-22 and the Titans needed a score, ROOKIE Vince Young led his team to the FG. Mark Brunell led his team nowhere, twice. That's a major indictment on Brunell's ability to win game for us. Brunell now is 2-4 as a starter this year.

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By no means am I a Brunell fan but I think we can win with him. We can't win with Brunell when Portis carries the ball 14 times though...

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With an 0-5 team we should have scored on every possesion, that didn't happen. Then the D got tired/lazy/stupid....

Not sure which came first and I don't really care.

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I have always supported Brunell when people were calling for his head but I'm not going to anymore. He has a dud for an arm. Moss's reaction to his passes tells me all I need. We can't win with that guy at the helm. Certainly not when we are 2-4 with the Colts looming. I say bench the fool and let see what JC can do.

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[quote=Twilbert07;228774]Yes, much of this is on the defense. But consider this: When the score was tied 22-22 and the Titans needed a score, ROOKIE Vince Young led his team to the FG. Mark Brunell led his team nowhere, twice. That's a major indictment on Brunell's ability to win game for us. Brunell now is 2-4 as a starter this year.[/quote]

Brunell certainly is not innocent, I just think it's funny we have a bench Brunell thread that's seeing about 6 times as much action as the defense bashing thread. That's very telling where our mindsets as fans are. Brunell is the bad guy even though the D just went belly up for Travis Henry and a rookie QB.

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If you're the D and you know Brunell is coming out after you did your bit how happy are you?

"We get a rest for three downs, guys, then it's back in"

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;228779]Brunell certainly is not innocent, I just think it's funny we have a bench Brunell thread that's seeing about 6 times as much action as the defense bashing thread. That's very telling where our mindsets as fans are. Brunell is the bad guy even though the D just went belly up for Travis Henry and a rookie QB.[/QUOTE]

As you know, the QB gets too much credit for good and too much blame for bad. It's just that Brunell's best and last chance to take us to the Super Bowl was last year. He did a very good job until late in the season. It's time to find our QB of the future. I hope he's aleady on our team.

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I don't think benching is the answer, not saying Brunell made some dumbshit throws. The coaches need to sit the team down and ask what the hell are we in this for? I mean c'mon, the Titans? I have never wanted to kick the shit out of somebodymore then I did today to Brunell and Jeff Fischer. I wanted to knock that greasy ass mustache off his face. Redskins are in Deep shit right now, one more loss, and time to look into the future. We should start Cambell in the first half, and see what happens, I mean c'mon , lets be real, WE ARE NOT GOING TO BEAT INDY NEXT WEEK!!!!

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat;228786]If you're the D and you know Brunell is coming out after you did your bit how happy are you?

"We get a rest for three downs, guys, then it's back in"[/QUOTE]


No shit. They didnt play well, but they did their job in the 4th quarter. Our offense did not.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;228779]Brunell certainly is not innocent, I just think it's funny we have a bench Brunell thread that's seeing about 6 times as much action as the defense bashing thread. That's very telling where our mindsets as fans are. Brunell is the bad guy even though the D just went belly up for Travis Henry and a rookie QB.[/QUOTE]

I think the point is that Brunell basically gives our team no chance to win (I'm sure someone else has said this but I'm not reading back). All he can do is manage a very simple offense that is somewhat disguised by a lot of fancy shifts and the occasional reverse. The dink and dunk shit has got to go and if he's too afraid to attempt a deep throw more than once or twice a game he needs to hang them up.

That being said, the defense has probably been a bigger dissapointment this year than MB, but it's not like we can just overall the entire unit and start different players.

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I honestly don't think it would matter who is playing QB at this point, not when the D is playing this poorly.

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It is definately overdue for Brunell to sit down and play backup. QB spot is one the weakest parts of this team right now.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;228799]I honestly don't think it would matter who is playing QB at this point, not when the D is playing this poorly.[/QUOTE]

I do agree that the defense's play has been the biggest surprise and disappointment of the season so far. I wonder what happened.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;228799]I honestly don't think it would matter who is playing QB at this point, not when the D is playing this poorly.[/QUOTE]

I don't think that if you happen to play Campbell you'll all of a sudden start winning ball games. I say this season is not salvagable with a guy like Mark Brunell at QB. It's time to put the kid in and let him learn how to play in this league. I know, however, that they'll rediscover the deep ball if Campbell comes in. He'll attempt to stretch the field. I don't buy that guys aren't open, I do buy that they're not seeing the ball come their way. Brunell plays not to lose. It's disgusting.

On a similar note, I swear that if Campbell comes in and throws a few picks and then we hear "we gotta protect the ball" I'm gonna wanna kill him. Protecting the ball isn't working. Going 3 and out and then punting isn't any better than throwing a 30+ yard interception. At least you don't like you're too chickenshit to the throw the ball down the damn field. I think if we had someone who made defenses back off Clinton would have had an easy 100 yard game today, but what the hell did they have to fear? One deep ball the whole game? Are you kidding me?

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What's with the all the short passes. Either Brunell can't make the downfield throw, can't read the defense or the coaching staff doens't have the confidence in him making a downfield throw. The defenses know about the short throws so they stick everyone up on the line and we get stuffed. If Brunell can't make the throws time to see if JC can.
How many completions over 25 yards do he make, don't include YAC?

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Part of the blame goes to Brunell, but most of the blame should go to the defense. Brunell by no means had a perfect game today, and he made a few mistakes that ended our chances, but he was put in that situation because of our defense. You have to find the source of the problem, not the latest person to become part of the problem.

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[quote=jdlea;228806]I don't think that if you happen to play Campbell you'll all of a sudden start winning ball games. I say this season is not salvagable with a guy like Mark Brunell at QB. It's time to put the kid in and let him learn how to play in this league. I know, however, that they'll rediscover the deep ball if Campbell comes in. He'll attempt to stretch the field. I don't buy that guys aren't open, I do buy that they're not seeing the ball come their way. Brunell plays not to lose. It's disgusting.

On a similar note, I swear that if Campbell comes in and throws a few picks and then we hear "we gotta protect the ball" I'm gonna wanna kill him. Protecting the ball isn't working. Going 3 and out and then punting isn't any better than throwing a 30+ yard interception. At least you don't like you're too chickenshit to the throw the ball down the damn field. I think if we had someone who made defenses back off Clinton would have had an easy 100 yard game today, but what the hell did they have to fear? One deep ball the whole game? Are you kidding me?[/quote]

With the way things are going Campbell may get his shot sooner rather than later. But I think this staff will stick with Brunell until they are officially eliminated.

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[quote=mooby;228814]....You have to find the source of the problem, not the latest person to become part of the problem.[/quote]

Latest person....Mooby, you were here for last season, I KNOW you were.

He's been a liability from day one. Campbell, now!

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brunell is is only part of the problem, he cant help that our team allows over 20 points a game. i dont know about our qb situation but i dont think campbell is going to be our long time answer.........dont yell at me everyone but i wished ramsey would have got a shot in the al saunders offense, he wasnt afraid to pull the trigger

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Greatpoint charlielyons! HAIL from NAshville!

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25 points is about 15 too many to give up to the Titans. However, it's not ridiculous to ask for our offense to score more than 22 against the Titans. Gibbs is right, when the team plays, it either wins or loses together. Both units did everything they could to lose as a team.

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[quote=RedskinRat;228642]If Campbell doesn't start the next game I'm going to stop watching this bullshit.

Brunell cycling through his reads like a fucking rookie.[/quote]
Brunell's only reads are basically #89 and #47 on most plays. It's a joke that Lloyd is only getting about 1 catch a game. That final pick is a prime example of Brunell's tunnel vision for Moss. I'd love to see film of that final pick - with 4 blue jerseys in Moss's vicinity, I'd bet that both ARE and Lloyd were running free.

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[quote=RedskinRat;228626]Let's see the Brunell defenders defend this piece of crap game.[/quote]

[url=http://nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/PRAT/2006/regular]NFL.com - NFL Stats[/url]

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Again, I live Here in Nashville. The Titans Don't have SHIT! We should have scored 40 plus today! Hail from Nashville!

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[quote=RedskinRat;228626]Let's see the Brunell defenders defend this piece of crap game.[/quote]

[url=http://nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/PRAT/2006/regular]NFL.com - NFL Stats[/url]

Top 10 good enough for ya? Yes? No? Whatever.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;228733]I'm not defending him, I just thought the piss poor defense was the bigger issue yet here we are again acting like switching QBs is going to solve everything. We have much bigger problems right now.[/QUOTE]

Matty..would you agree that the Titans offense is better than their defense? They had a great day rushing against the Colts last week. For us to score just 22 against that defense at home is inexcusable. Just like the Raiders game last year, where we scored 10.

The problem with Brunell is this - he's suffering from the ole' Shane Matthews syndrome. Great for 1 and a half quarters and completely ineffective thereafter. His last 5 passes of the game were laughable. Almost 4 INT's in 5 passes. Dude sucks!

I didn't check to see who let the Dartmouth kid come straight through and block Frost's punt. That guy better get a verbal bitchslap from the coaching staff.

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He should be in the top 10, throwin 5yd ass routes! Is he tryin' to win or make sure he has a top 10 passer rating? He wouldn't go down field if we were playin OHIO STATE! He needs to pull a Kerry Collins and tell Gibbs he can't lead this team! HAIL from Nashville!

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The D is sucking horribly right now. We look like complete dogshit. Our offense does need a fresh start and I'd give it to Campbell right now, but i've never been a brunell supporter. I give him props when he does good, but he's just as inconsistant as ramsey was...

Its time to move on to Campbell... Brunell should go sign a one day contract with Jacksonville and retire in the community he cares about... where his heart is according to him...

Not making excuses for our defense, because we should've probably shut them out, but our offense was capable of keeping the game out of reach, but didn't. Most of that can be attributed to brunell....

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[quote=RedskinRat;228828]Latest person....Mooby, you were here for last season, I KNOW you were.

He's been a liability from day one. Campbell, now![/quote]Mooby's pretty much dead on. Do you think every QB who makes multiple mistakes in a game should be benched the next week? Should the Eagles bench Donovan McNabb because they lost to the Saints? Should the Bengals bench Carson Palmer because they lost to Tampa Bay? I mean, they both made a bunch of mistakes today.

And what is this "here for last season" arguement? I would use that as a pro-Brunell arguement.

For the record I think if this team misses the playoffs, Campbell should get the job next season. So this arguement isn't really about my love for Brunell. It's about protecting the QB of YOUR Washington Redskins from becoming a Scapegoat for a team who has a defense that will be ranked in the bottom quarter of the league after this week.

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Blaming the D, is like puttin a band-aid on a bullet wound! Yes the D has been terrible, but Brunell has been equally as terrible or more so. You can't expect the D to hold when the O constantly goes three and out at crucial parts of the game. Damn Brunell, just keep the damn chains movin. When is everyone gonna wake up? Brunell is done! HAIL from Nashville!

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I understand your points GTripp, but there's really no comparison between Brunell and McNabb or Palmer.

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You got that shit right Sheriff!HAIL FRom Nashville!

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Brunell has average stats due ONLY to the fact that he has stellar playmakers catching the ball. Watching other games I am amazed at how well even average QBs are hitting receivers over the middle in stride, even against decent defenses. We don't see that because our QB can't do it.

It amazes me that there are some of you who just watched the same game that I did and don't look at your QB as a major source of problems. I'm dumfounded that there are still some of you defending Brunell. He is incapable of stretching the field vertically and defeneses know that...why do you think the Titans were able to key in on teh short passes and screens today? Because they knew they didn't have to worry about the deeper routes. Then, when down big and desparate, we tried to throw down the field, the results of which were self evident.

Why on god's green earth would we wait until next year to play Campbell. As I said last week, this season is done for us and the sooner to start making some pragmatic personnel decisions, the better this team can be in the future. Starting Campbell now means has two advantages. One, you find out if he has the IT factor necessary to be a pro QB and if he doesn't, well at least you know and you find out in a season that doesn't mean much. Second, finding out now means we can make smart decisions in Free Agency. If in fact it is determined that JC is not "The Man", for the future, why waste next year finding out? Waiting until next year to see if JC can play has NO BENEFIT to the team. If you can't see that, then you are blind to the reality that is slapping us all in the face.

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[quote=RedskinRat;228828]Latest person....Mooby, you were here for last season, I KNOW you were.

He's been a liability from day one. Campbell, now![/quote]

The defense is the source of the problem. The blame is just going to Brunell because he threw the pick to end our chances of winning. Part of the blame is Brunell's fault for the way he played at the end of the game, but he wouldn't have been put in that situation if it wasn't for the defense. Once the Skins have been officially eliminated from playoff contention, I'm all for putting Campbell in and letting him take his lumps. Until then, we need Brunell.

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i always thought brunell gave the skins the best chance at winning. i do not believe that anymore. and no, it wasnt all his fault. but if santana doesnt keep on making plays, brunell sucks, plain and simple

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Why are we looking for "the problem?" Isn't there more than just one problem? Brunell, the entire defense, the special teams, the coaches, the color white, and just about everything else worked together in a perfect storm to ruin today's game.

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bench brunell, rodgers, holdman, and wright.