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So, where's all the unrelenting optimism now?

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[quote=jbcjr14;228889]Are you fucking kidding me? What makes you think Jason Campbell would do any better when the time of possession is almost 2 to 1 in the other teams favor???????? Do I think Campbell should play, yes, but to think he could go 8-2 when our defense can't stop anyone and our team has ZERO heart is just a dream.[/quote]

I believe that he'd give our D more more of a rest than 'Mr. 3-and-Out' does.

All Brunell had to do was put together sustained drives, he couldn't. JC also gives us hope which I don't believe the D feels Brunell does.

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[quote=MightyJoeGibbs;228945]At least the team remembered their helmets and equipment.

Has anyone seen the movie [B]"PURE LUCK" [/B]with D.Glover/M.Short???
Is Ethan Albright the real portayal of this? Why has God forsaken the Skins? What did they do? Maybe Snyder bought the team with Bloodmoney, I dunno.[/quote]
God hasn't forsaken the Skins - The Danny and Gibbs himself have done the trick themselves by forsaking the draft in favor of brining in veterans. We let good core Redskins like Pierce, Smoot, and Clark walk, then overpay guys like Archuletta and Andre Carter. Many of the players we've acquired for draft picks either aren't playing or aren't being fully utilized - Campbell, Duckett, McIntosh, Lloyd. Just wait til next draft when we only have 1 pick in the first four rounds. I've said it many times: Is this any way to build a consistent winner?

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Well, at least we'll have a high first round pick next draft. Who should we draft?

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Do we still have our first round pick for the '07 draft?

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;228952]So, where's all the unrelenting optimism now?[/quote]
Thats Matty's area, I tell the people the truth. Ohh, if your looking for optimism its with our rivals.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;228965]Do we still have our first round pick for the '07 draft?[/quote]
Yes we have our 1st, but we traded our 2nd to move up and get McIntosh (wasting away on special teams), our 3rd for Duckett (not playing at all), and our 4th for Lloyd (who is painfully underutilized in the offense).

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I hate to break this to some of you, and it's probably gonna make most of you pissed off even more, but if we finish with a worse record than Denver they switch first round picks with us, so basically we're gonna get a late first rounder. It was part of the Duckett trade.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;228952]So, where's all the unrelenting optimism now?[/quote]

I have your optimism:
The Redskins are tied for 4th in the league....for next years #1 pick
1.Oak 0-5
2.Det 1-5, Tenn
3. TB 1-4, AZ,Miami, Clev,G.B.
4. Skins 2-4, Buff, SF

Kick Ass... too bad our needs should still be a QB to be safe(Mark should be deported and Todd released to pursue his Sears boys clothing modeling career), DT-with size( Salavae is pathetic), CB-who is healthy/fresh, OL-for security, and a TE to block.

And a Kicker or anyone to replace Hall simply for the satisfaction to tell him get the hell out of here.

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[quote=mooby;228972]I hate to break this to some of you, and it's probably gonna make most of you pissed off even more, but if we finish with a worse record than Denver they switch first round picks with us, so basically we're gonna get a late first rounder. It was part of the Duckett trade.[/quote]

F'N brilliant and typical. I can't take this shit. 15 years of disapointment and no end in site.

[B]I FEEL LIKE A FUCKING FOOTBALL PWO FAN, I WILL TALK.. JUST STOP BEATING AND TORTURING ME.[/B]

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[quote=mooby;228972]I hate to break this to some of you, and it's probably gonna make most of you pissed off even more, but if we finish with a worse record than Denver they switch first round picks with us, so basically we're gonna get a late first rounder. It was part of the Duckett trade.[/quote]
WTF!!! Where was the logic of working that language into the trade??? Here Denver, if you finish with a better record than us, you get our high 1st round pick while we settle for your lower one. Denver must love it whenever Gibbs and The Danny call, because we toss them additional picks like free candy. And yes, this does piss me off even more!!!

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Once again morons come out and pin a whole game on one man's shoulders, I must apluad that. I mean portis did have a really great game didnt he? Sean Taylor and Washington did drop pics that would have prevented points, but kno your right Brunnel should have been there to pick those balls off and run for Portis. I really think Redskins fans maybe the stupidest fans in football, fanwise this might have been the worste home game ever.

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[QUOTE=hurrykaine;228839]What you said there is scary. With a coaching staff comprising 4 former defensive coordinators on D, and 3 former headcoaches on Offense, there is NOOOOOOOOOOO way we should be getting outcoached. I can understand losing because our players aren't executing. But outcoached? Wow. Makes you wonder what the hell is going on!!! Are egos getting in the way here? Buges vs Saunders? Jerry Gray vs Blache? etc. etc.[/QUOTE]


Sure seems like we're getting outcoached. We've got blitzes that every opponent picks up and defends perfectly like, shocker, they know what's going to happen. And Al Saunder's miracle, 700-page playbook evidently consists of all screen plays.

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as much as I would love to believe so, I just can't see that happening against the schedule the team has left with the bipolar play of the team. One sec it's all cylinders clicking (atleast on offense) and the next its as if the engine had fallen out of the car. I do think if the players get their heads on straight, the team can finish the season 7-3, but their play thus far other than in the 2 wins has been abysmal. I'll never jump ship but this season has been extremely dissapointing and frustrating to watch thus far. I think today's loss ranks up there with some of the all time worst losses. The defense was playing like the tackling inept mid to late 90s skins and the pass defense kept choking when a play needed to be made. I still think they have a chance in every game left, but this jekyll and hyde crap needs to stop.

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[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru;229013] this jekyll and hyde crap needs to stop.[/QUOTE]

Looks like it has stopped. I think Hyde has assumed control of this team.

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lets be reallistic
the season is over
we just need to rebuild it esp the QB and our secondary

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;228981]WTF!!! Where was the logic of working that language into the trade??? Here Denver, if you finish with a better record than us, you get our high 1st round pick while we settle for your lower one. Denver must love it whenever Gibbs and The Danny call, because we toss them additional picks like free candy. And yes, this does piss me off even more!!![/QUOTE]

I don't know how much of this is true, but I jacked this from another board (a wizards board of all places):

"There is some good news out of all this. Apparently there's protections attached to the Duckett trade where the Skins would only swap first rounders if the difference b/w the picks is within what qualifies as being worth a high 3rd rounder. Since Denver looks like a Super Bowl contender and we look like one of the worst teams in the league, Denver will likely get stuck with our 3rd round pick as compensation." - Dat2U

I've been trying to find actual links with the specific formulas verifying this, but I've only been able to find words like "complicated formula", etc... and if this is true, I wonder what draft position differential constitutes a high 3rd rounder.

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[quote=djnemo65;229019]Looks like it has stopped. I think Hyde has assumed control of this team.[/quote]

That seems to be the consensus but...skinsfanthruandthru made bery valid points.....we have the ability we just need to fucking EXECUTE like professionials. A very sad day for redskins fans as even the most diehard are confunsed and angry as well....we have (reaasonably) valid shots at all of our upcoming games. LONGSHOTS they may be, we still have chances. On the other hand, with the way we have been playing as a team on both sides of the ball, do we have a shot at winning ANY more games??

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[QUOTE=Redskin;228992]Once again morons come out and pin a whole game on one man's shoulders, I must apluad that. I mean portis did have a really great game didnt he? Sean Taylor and Washington did drop pics that would have prevented points, but kno your right Brunnel should have been there to pick those balls off and run for Portis. I really think Redskins fans maybe the stupidest fans in football, fanwise this might have been the worste home game ever.[/QUOTE]

Oh yeah man, Portis and his over 4 yards a carry and 2 touchdowns were garbage today. Why don't you look up some stats before you start shooting off your mouth? I never said it was all Brunell's fault, I put a lot of it on the defense, and that may not have been directed at me, but trying to call out Clinton is just ignorant. If anybody ever had to back off of the damn line then maybe Clinton could get close 5 yards a carry, but when passes barely go 5 yards from the line of scrimmage it's kinda impressive that he runs as well as he does. So don't give me this crap about Clinton. The only problem with him was that he didn't get the damn ball enough.

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[quote=itvnetop;229031]I don't know how much of this is true, but I jacked this from another board (a wizards board of all places):

"There is some good news out of all this. Apparently there's protections attached to the Duckett trade where the Skins would only swap first rounders if the difference b/w the picks is within what qualifies as being worth a high 3rd rounder. Since Denver looks like a Super Bowl contender and we look like one of the worst teams in the league, Denver will likely get stuck with our 3rd round pick as compensation." - Dat2U

I've been trying to find actual links with the specific formulas verifying this, but I've only been able to find words like "complicated formula", etc... and if this is true, I wonder what draft position differential constitutes a high 3rd rounder.[/quote]

Do we still swap #1s with Denver though?

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[quote=Redskin;228992]Once again morons come out and pin a whole game on one man's shoulders, I must apluad that. I mean portis did have a really great game didnt he? Sean Taylor and Washington did drop pics that would have prevented points, but kno your right Brunnel should have been there to pick those balls off and run for Portis. I really think Redskins fans maybe the stupidest fans in football, fanwise this might have been the worste home game ever.[/quote]


You must be new to the Redskins as a team if you think this is a one game critique. How many times has Brunell shown the leadership qualities and QB talent to win a game that was lost? Not enough for us to blindly believe he'll drag us back from the brink of a done season this early on.

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I am by no means a Brunell hater, but it would probably be a good idea to bring in Campbell so he can be groomed for the future. He isn't going to get better sitting on the sidelines, and with four losses this early in a tough schedule, our playoff hopes are but scrapped.

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[quote=jdlea;229034]Oh yeah man, Portis and his over 4 yards a carry and 2 touchdowns were garbage today. Why don't you look up some stats before you start shooting off your mouth? I never said it was all Brunell's fault, I put a lot of it on the defense, and that may not have been directed at me, but trying to call out Clinton is just ignorant. If anybody ever had to back off of the damn line then maybe Clinton could get close 5 yards a carry, but when passes barely go 5 yards from the line of scrimmage it's kinda impressive that he runs as well as he does. So don't give me this crap about Clinton. The only problem with him was that he didn't get the damn ball enough.[/quote]But as long as we are calling out people on an offense that moved the ball, why not call out Clinton. His stats today were no more impressive than Brunells.

Disclaimer: I do not blame either Clinton Portis or Mark Brunell for the loss.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;229059]But as long as we are calling out people on an offense that moved the ball, why not call out Clinton. His stats today were no more impressive than Brunells.

Disclaimer: I do not blame either Clinton Portis or Mark Brunell for the loss.[/QUOTE]

It's kinda hard to hate on someone for lack of production when they hardly touch the ball. He averaged about 4.0 ypc and got 2 TDs; so he was productive when he had the ball, he just didn't get it a lot.

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[quote=chris36;228651]Another wasted year, with over paid free agents. All the teams that traded with the Redskins and got draft choices are happy as hell. There draft choices should be within the top 10. If we are lucky. here's what I say. Let go Gibbs coach and get a real general manager. One like Bobby Bethard.[/quote]

I am really upset over today's loss and I think it is time for us to do something. I am just like everyone else, I drank the Kool-aid this offseason (and countless others). This organization is a farce and I really think that every true fan should boycott Fed-Ex field until they hire a General Manager with credentials. The marketing blitz is all that Snyder cares about. I know that he wants them to win as much as anybody but there is one thing that he definitely cares about more than winning and that is making money. As long as this team is geared for generating cash, we are going to be a second rate franchise and that is exactly what we are today. We are not a Football Team. We are a cash cow centered around guys who play football. I am tired of it. How the fuck do we let a goddamned rookie QB walk into our house and embarrass us?

I am sick and tired of being sick and tired. I truly wish that Dan Snyder would get picked up by the IRS because I firmly believe that they will never contend until he is gone.

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Yes, the season is over.

Even with a win against Indianapolis, there is no way this team goes 8-2 to make the playoffs. I don't believe there's any magic pill for the defense. They simply are not good. It's almost the same defense that's been fielded the past two years, except with a few more "upgrades".

Even with Springs coming back (who actually played fairly well on whomever he covered), there's nothing that's going to get that swagger back. I listened to the report on the way home from the game, and Rogers has a broken thumb, and Washington's hip injury is far worse than they are letting on.

On the offense, Mark Brunell is done. I'm done being an apologist for him. He looks for Cooley or Moss, then he throws it away. If you look at the actual "play-making" QBs in this league, and yes they exist, they spread the ball around and make things happen. When he FINALLY threw to Brandon Lloyd's strength, look what happened, a big gain. I blamed Patten a lot last year for not catching passes or getting open, but Lloyd apparently is having the Patten syndrome himself.

Eli Manning knows what to do. If you have a person who can go up and catch a jump ball, you throw it high in single coverage and let your playmakers make plays. Something needs to shake up this offense, and to be perfectly honest, I don't think Al Saunders is the ticket. They said it on the radio on the way home, this offense has no identity. Last year, it was smash mouth football that set up the deep pass. This year, and I'm quoting the radio: "It's like a new adventure with every series."

Reverses on first down, three yard passes on first down, three yard outs on third and long? Where does it end? I PREFERRED Gibbs playcalling last year. I mean at least he played to the offense's strengths. Portis is your work horse, you run him and let the offensive line wear down the opposition, rather than forcing your team into three and outs by throwing consecutive passes.

On a side note, my love for the Redskins lessened just a little bit yesterday. I know it's a loss, and I know I'd be pissed too, but there wouldn't be football without us fans. Now, I think I've made my opinion adamantly clear in the past on famous people's salaries, but that's neither here nor there. Dozens of people waited long after the game to maybe get some autographs or a picture taken with one of their favorite players. I think it's total 100% horseshit when a player cannot take five minutes out of his busy schedule to sign a few autographs. The people that I am naming in particular are Portis, Moss and Brunell. So you're a big star? I don't give a fuck. You should be wiping our asses considering the money we pay to pay YOU your millions. Apparently it's the backups who are the ones willing to give something back to the fans. Backups and Marcus Washington.

Marcus Washington is one of the most selfless people I've seen in such a high profile position. He stayed at least twenty minutes signing autographs and taking pictures. He said, "OK guys, last one." at least twenty times, and always seemed to have another one in him. That's the type of player you want on your team. This behavior is win or lose. I've been there for wins and I've been there for losses, but always the first people out, without stopping for fans are Moss, Portis and Brunell.

Chris Samuels, Renaldo Wynn and Rocky McIntosh, all get free passes because they all signed for a while. I just ask that the players remember where they came from and remember who TRULY pays their salaries. It wasn't the loss that made me lose a little love, it was more of a disillusionment with a few of the so-calling "stars" of this franchise that really pissed me off.

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The season is over and so is the easy part of the schedule. The skins will be lucky to go 1-2 over their next 3 games. This is a bad team. The coaching is bad and so are the players. I really blame this crummy season on the coaches as teams go top down and the mess starts at the top with Gibbs and goes down from there.

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Good lord, lads and ladies! The season ends when we are eliminated from playoff contention. We're eliminated when either the Cowboys, Giants or Eagles run away with the division. Some of you guys want to write the season off and we haven't even hit the halfway point yet. We played like crap last year in the beginning and we're playing like crap this year, too. Our great players have shown they can pull through and step up when all seems lost. We have a ton of talent on this team. It's not like we're the least experienced team on the field.

To make clear, I am very upset, frustrated, disappointed and whatever synonym you can think of with the way our season has gone thus far. Anyone watching Redskins football for the last 15 years should be a little more numb to this yearly occurence of Withering Hope. The one thing that makes us call ourselves fans is that we still are ready to wait for the day of perpetual celebration. It will come, just ask the REDS........ox.

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I'll say this. If I see a dominating performance in Indy on both sides of the ball, I'll feel a glimmer of hope. If we lose there, it's lost.

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan;229222]Good lord, lads and ladies! The season ends when we are eliminated from playoff contention. We're eliminated when either the Cowboys, Giants or Eagles run away with the division. Some of you guys want to write the season off and we haven't even hit the halfway point yet. [B]We played like crap last year in the beginning and we're playing like crap this year, too.[/B] Our great players have shown they can pull through and step up when all seems lost. We have a ton of talent on this team. It's not like we're the least experienced team on the field.

To make clear, I am very upset, frustrated, disappointed and whatever synonym you can think of with the way our season has gone thus far. Anyone watching Redskins football for the last 15 years should be a little more numb to this yearly occurence of Withering Hope. The one thing that makes us call ourselves fans is that we still are ready to wait for the day of perpetual celebration. It will come, just ask the REDS........ox.[/QUOTE]

I really feel like we need to stop comparing this team to last year's or any other Gibbs coached teams from the past. Maybe we should just constrast them:
-The D is giving us no chance to win, unlike last year.
-We are losing to teams we should beat (at home no less), unlike last year.
-The offense isn't moving the ball consistanly, unlike last year.
-This team seems to make no half time adjustments, unlike last year.
I'm sure I'm forgetting some stuff.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;229226]I'll say this. If I see a dominating performance in Indy on both sides of the ball, I'll feel a glimmer of hope. If we lose there, it's lost.[/QUOTE]

I was listening to Cooley on EITM (I'll try to post a link when their site puts it up later today) and I get the feeling that this team could be really fired up for Indy, b/c God knows they should be.
Cooley, BTW, seemed just as shocked and pissed as all of us.

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Take the finesse to the outhouse. Run the ball 30-35 times and your defense won't be on the feild long enough to give up 350 yds. This stinks!

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Good. Because he seemed to have busted out pretty damn quick from the stadium too. The second I got down to the exit, I saw him heading out in his truck.

If that's what it takes for them to get a fire under their asses, then so be it. But as it stands right now, even if we go undefeated from here on out, Brunell will be the reason we don't win the Super Bowl. HA. I can't even believe I just said Super Bowl.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;229227]I really feel like we need to stop comparing this team to last year's or any other Gibbs coached teams from the past. Maybe we should just constrast them:
-The D is giving us no chance to win, unlike last year.
-We are losing to teams we should beat (at home no less), unlike last year.
-The offense isn't moving the ball consistanly, unlike last year.
-This team seems to make no half time adjustments, unlike last year.
I'm sure I'm forgetting some stuff.[/quote]

The only comparison I made was that both teams played like crap. Hard to dispute that. We were fortunate last year to play terrible and get three close wins to start the season.

-The D is giving us no chance to win, unlike last year.
-We are losing to teams we should beat (at home no less), unlike last year. [COLOR="RoyalBlue"]We lost to the Raiders at home last year.[/COLOR]
-The offense isn't moving the ball consistanly, unlike last year. [COLOR="royalblue"]We didn't move the ball versus the Bears or Dallas last year[/COLOR]
-This team seems to make no half time adjustments, unlike last year. [COLOR="royalblue"]What half-time adjustment did we make versus the Broncos, Chiefs, Giants (away), Chargers, Cardinals (I know we won that one thanks to Antonio Brown) or Tampa Bay.[/COLOR]

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[quote=Tom-Tom;229230]Take the finesse to the outhouse. Run the ball 30-35 times and your defense won't be on the feild long enough to give up 350 yds. This stinks![/quote]

I agree. In other words, leave Al Saunders in D.C.

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Have we forgotten the success in Houston and against the Jags? Its there!The three keys, "run the ball, run the ball, run the ball!"

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Well thanks for the official notice, the football season is over. Over ??? Not for me - thank you very much.

Its not a destination, its a journey. A lot of very talented football players have a great deal to prove to us (fans) and more importantly to themselves. I'm going to watch this with much interest. Are the Skins going to get up after getting knocked down? I certainly hope so!

I will agree that the journey is less fun if you are not the lead dog. The view is bad from this perspective.

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I'd like to think of myself as "cautiosly optomistic". if we go to Indy and "run the ball" we'll win the game. Am I making this too simple?

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Well, I never thought I'd say it.. but we officially SUCK. Our D totally let us down. How do you let go of lead like that when we need to win so badly? Over confidence and laziness... So now I agree with all of you. WE SUCK.

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After watching the first six games I have to ask. What does Gibbs do on the side lines? Its like he is on his own little island just watching and listening to whats going on. I did see him make the call last week to go for the field goal when we where down by to TD's in the 4th quarter. I'm not blaming Gibbs for the loss but he just looks lost with nothing to do. I also think the casual manner we had in training camp and presaeson is alot of our problems.