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[QUOTE=RobH4413;229503]I think we need to set the tone against INDI.

Why don't we institute a "full house" backfield. Sellers, Portis, and Duckett.
Saunders can run his sweeps with Sellers and Duckett blocking. Should the safeties "play the outside"... we pound it up with lead plays right up the gut giving Duckett the ball.

[B]We do not have the tools to throw deep[/B]

[B]We have not been running our WR's successfully to the outside[/B]

We have not established an identity. (I heard Sonny imply that we are a football team that doesn't know what to do. We're trying to finess the opponent when we have people like Duckett and Sellers in the backfield being used sparingly.)

Changing to this offense will control the clock more and most importantly take some weight off our defense. It will minimize turnovers, and I think it's the correct gameplan to run against INDI.[/QUOTE]

Then we miss out on Cooley. the one receiver big and slow enough for Brunell to see in the middle.

despite his size, Duckett isn't a fullback and probably wouldn't take to lead blocking. Cooley has done that a good deal though. i think Cooley lead blocking for Sellers is a hell of an idea at times, Sellers has some pretty good feet! it's true!

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;229517]Funny, but vicious.[/quote]


Vicious? Ya, probably. Funny? Definitely? Joking? FUCK NO. I truly think that his fullhouse backfiled is one of the best ideas ive heard in forever...wtf is ANY D gonna do if we come out with that shit? besides tuck their tails and hope to god they can stop us....

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[quote=illdefined;229519]Then we miss out on Cooley. the one receiver big and slow enough for Brunell to see in the middle.

despite his size, Duckett isn't a fullback and probably wouldn't take to lead blocking. Cooley has done that a good deal though. i think Cooley lead blocking for Sellers is a hell of an idea at times, Sellers has some pretty good feet! it's true![/quote]

I think Sellers is great. He loves this team and I think that drives him to push a little harder when he runs...with the twins trains (Sellers and Duckett) in at the same time....jesus....D's would move out of the way rather than get run the FUCK over!

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[QUOTE=JGisLordOfTheRings;229527]I think Sellers is great. He loves this team and I think that drives him to push a little harder when he runs...with the twins trains (Sellers and Duckett) in at the same time....jesus....D's would move out of the way rather than get run the FUCK over![/QUOTE]

Sellers is the shit frankly. he lives on hitting people, then surprises you with his footwork on the carries. and how could we forget all his TDs in the endzone last year??

That's why i wasn't happy with the Duckett acquistion. Sellers was a talented secret weapon and we should use him now before he gets too old.

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[quote=illdefined;229534]Sellers is the shit frankly. he lives on hitting people, then surprises you with his footwork on the carries. and how could we forget all his TDs in the endzone last year??

That's why i wasn't happy with the Duckett acquistion. Sellers was a talented secret weapon and we should use him now before he gets too old.[/quote]

what else can i say? you pretty much just broke it the fuck down for all the fools who dont see it like that.....Sellers is money

Seller+Duckett=STEAMROLLER

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[quote=illdefined;229519]Then we miss out on Cooley. the one receiver big and slow enough for Brunell to see in the middle.

despite his size, Duckett isn't a fullback and probably wouldn't take to lead blocking. Cooley has done that a good deal though. i think Cooley lead blocking for Sellers is a hell of an idea at times, Sellers has some pretty good feet! it's true![/quote]

I was implying Sellers lead blocking for Duckett. Not vice versa. But Cooley blocking for Sellers isn't a bad idea either.

Sellers reminds me of Bettis at times. He's this big monstrous human that throws in a juke here or there. He's definitly one of the many weapons being under-utilized.

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[quote=RobH4413;229538]I was implying Sellers lead blocking for Duckett. Not vice versa. But Cooley blocking for Sellers isn't a bad idea either.

Sellers reminds me of Bettis at times. He's this big monstrous human that throws in a juke here or there. He's definitly one of the many weapons being under-utilized.[/quote]


wow, how can the fans see this potential but the fucking coaches are blind to it? make no sense to me but, then again im not a coach either....

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I say we form a legion and just storm Redskins park with a Coup de Fans.

I'm pretty sure we'll all fail miserably, but so far that won't change anything.

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We don't even need to get this cute with running Sellers, we have a 1500 yard RB in Portis, one of the best backs in the game, USE HIM. Give him 20-25 carries per game, Betts another 10 carries or so, and let's finally get Duckett involved in some short yardage situations. We had that formula working beautifully against Jacksonville (minus Duckett) , but somehow we took that gameplan and shoved it under the couch or something. Dust that baby off and let's get back to work!

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[QUOTE=RobH4413;229503]I think we need to set the tone against INDI.

Why don't we institute a "full house" backfield. Sellers, Portis, and Duckett.
Saunders can run his sweeps with Sellers and Duckett blocking. [/QUOTE]

oh, you either minced your words there or implied Duckett would block for Portis whenever they went that direction. either way, Cooley would be best for that plus pose the passing threat from there or the TE position.

sadly, we actually use this package ALOT!

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[quote=Mattyk72;229549]We don't even need to get this cute with running Sellers, we have a 1500 yard RB in Portis, one of the best backs in the game, USE HIM. Give him 20-25 carries per game, Betts another 10 carries or so, and let's finally get Duckett involved in some short yardage situations. We had that formula working beautifully against Jacksonville (minus Duckett) , but somehow we took that gameplan and shoved it under the couch or something. Dust that baby off and let's get back to work![/quote]

BRAVO BRAVO!

'if it aint'a broka dont'a fix it, ah?'

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Throw in Rock...the non-fumbling version.......to the list of good RBs we've got in our stable.

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Rock is great...i wonder if he ever did get that fumbilitis under control.....

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;229549]We don't even need to get this cute with running Sellers, we have a 1500 yard RB in Portis, one of the best backs in the game, USE HIM. Give him 20-25 carries per game, Betts another 10 carries or so, and let's finally get Duckett involved in some short yardage situations. We had that formula working beautifully against Jacksonville (minus Duckett) , but somehow we took that gameplan and shoved it under the couch or something. Dust that baby off and let's get back to work![/QUOTE]

replace Betts with Duckett and Duckett with Sellers in the above and we got the winning formula. keeping Cooley as the 2nd FB.

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See the "its not al's fault, so stfu" thread. Can't blame him too much from getting away from the run, it falls on the execution of the plays.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;229567]See the "its not al's fault, so stfu" thread. Can't blame him too much from getting away from the run, it falls on the execution of the plays.[/QUOTE]

I do blame him for getting away from the run. I also blame the players for the (lack of) execution. There's enough blame for everyone to take bite.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;229567]See the "its not al's fault, so stfu" thread. Can't blame him too much from getting away from the run, it falls on the execution of the plays.[/QUOTE]

executing is much harder to do when the defense knows exactly what to expect. all they were doing (all any team needs to do really) is a wide zone or close up underneath man with the safeties shading the sidelines. even so, Clinton was getting 4.some YPC despite that fact, i'd call that a fair amount of execution..

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[quote=Mattyk72;229549]We don't even need to get this cute with running Sellers, we have a 1500 yard RB in Portis, one of the best backs in the game, USE HIM. Give him 20-25 carries per game, Betts another 10 carries or so, and let's finally get Duckett involved in some short yardage situations. We had that formula working beautifully against Jacksonville (minus Duckett) , but somehow we took that gameplan and shoved it under the couch or something. Dust that baby off and let's get back to work![/quote]

I like your thinking Matty. The Skins need to establish their identity and slam the ball down their opponents throats. I propose that Portis gets the majority of the runs, at least 20 touches per game. I would increase T. J. Duckett's role and reduce Bett's role. T. J. Duckett should be featured as a change of pace to Portis. His power running style is a perfect complement to Portis breakaway ability. Ducket should also be used in short yardage situations. Betts would be the third down back. Betts is a better receiver out of the backfield and the Skins should take advantage of that. Rock is doing a great job on special teams. No change there.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;229568]I do blame him for getting away from the run. I also blame the players for the (lack of) execution. There's enough blame for everyone to take bite.[/quote]

I agree. There's no way we should have gotten away from the run. Running the ball is all about attitude and having the mindset that even if the other team stops you 9 times out of 10, you're not going to give up and that 1 play could bust the game open.

In a close game against an 0-5 team, there was no reason to bail on the running game and give Portis just 14 carries.

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If this was all Al's doing, then why didn't Gibbs step in any point during game, and said "Hey Al, let's call more runs." He apparently didn't, so I would rest some of the blame on him, because isn't he suppose to oversee the entire game, and make sure things are running "well"????

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Werd. Betts is just a slower, less explosive Portis. at least Duckett could bring something new to the run game on those downs. Sellers would remain the surprise heavy hitter. that way we'd have M,L,XL at running back. no one needs "Extra Medium" in Betts.

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:laughing-:laughing-:laughing-:bdh::bdh::bdh:
THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
M,L, XL! thats great...

[quote=illdefined;229577]Werd. Betts is just a slower, less explosive Portis. at least Duckett could bring something new to the run game on those downs. Sellers would remain the surprise heavy hitter. that way we'd have M,L,XL at running back. no one needs "Extra Medium" in Betts.[/quote]

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[QUOTE=JGisLordOfTheRings;229596]
THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
M,L, XL! thats great...[/QUOTE]

heh ok, so complete this phrase: Lightning, Thunder and ________

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[quote=illdefined;229604]heh ok, so complete this phrase: Lightning, Thunder and ________[/quote]

so many things...

maybe

Lightning, Thunder and 'Aw shit, HERE HE COMES! GET THE FUCK OUTTA THE WAY!'

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[quote=illdefined;229604]heh ok, so complete this phrase: Lightning, Thunder and ________[/quote]
the vortex

we'll call it the "storm surge" backfield...

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[quote=RobH4413;229633]the vortex

we'll call it the "storm surge" backfield...[/quote]


:lol::lol::lol::lol::woot::woot::woot:

LETS DO IT!!!!!

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i was thinking more like EARTHQUAKE, but thats prolly more like Refrigerator Perry territory...

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[quote=illdefined;229636]i was thinking more like EARTHQUAKE, but thats prolly more like Refrigerator Perry territory...[/quote]

refrigator perry hahah

earthquake would work great

How 'Bout: Earth, Wind and Fire!

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!:point:

Aint no mountain high, ahem....sorry.....:spank:

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[QUOTE=JGisLordOfTheRings;229638]
How 'Bout: Earth, Wind and Fire!
[/QUOTE]


ok i gotta chill out with the posting, but thats a frickin *awesome* name. has that ever been used in sports? if only Duckett was really in for Betts and this wasn't all fantasy...

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[quote=illdefined;229643]ok i gotta chill out with the posting, but thats a frickin *awesome* name. has that ever been used in sports? if only Duckett was really in for Betts and this wasn't all fantasy...[/quote]

i dont think the name has ever been used and god, we could only hope for Duckett to be in, even though i really like betts.

chill on the posting dude, uhhhhhhh.............:postcop:

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[quote=Mattyk72;229327]Why did Portis only have 14 carries yesterday?

Why did Betts only have 2 carries?

We have a 254 pound hammer on the bench in Duckett... where is he??

This [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/15/AR2006101501094.html"]article by Thomas Boswell[/URL] sums things up perfectly on offense. We need to say the hell with these cutesy reverses and end arounds, and get back to playing smashmouth football. This is what this offense is built for and it plays right to our strength. I think Gibbs needs to tell Saunders to put together a back to basics game plan from here on out and let's scrap the majority of his infamous 700 page playbook.

If we want to win folks, we have to run. It's very simple. Control the clock, dominate the opponent, and keep our seriously hurting 'D' off the field as much as possible.

Let's get back to Redskins football![/quote]

I read it too & couldn't agree more. I think Gibbs will put his foot down & we'll pound Indy!

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Titans ginin up 170+ and they're the ones that ran it down our throat. pitiful. we lloked like the 0-5 titans and they looked like a team with a winning record. We score 14 points with no problem and what happens i dont know but we needed to run the damn ball. I say get Brunell out of there NOW!!! put jason in!! he cant do no worse. our D needs to get their heads outta their ASS.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;229331]The thing is, Saunders probably isn't an 1/8 deep into his playbook yet...the offense hasn't shown they can handle it, and has had to do more max protection to keep the defenses off Brunell's ass.

Running the football has been the cornerstone of the Skins offense. It's time to start running the ball, even if coming from behind.[/quote]Even though Brunell has yet to be sacked outside the division, max protection is going to be a problem. Portis is always replaced by Betts on third down. Portis is one of the leagues best blocking backs. We no longer have a TE who can pass block for shit. Sellers always comes out for a third WR. So what you have is a very pressured Mark Brunell on third down. I think he's done an admirable job moving the chains under duress, but eventually it will catch up to us. If they blitz on third, we are in trouble. If they drop 7 on third, its tough to get more than 8 yards.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;229335]The Colts are ripe for the picking if we just pound the ball down their freaking throats. We're a team right now that is perfectly built for playing smashmouth. We have a physical OL and very nice depth at RB. So what's the problem?

RUN THE DAMN FOOTBALL![/QUOTE]

We're too busy running 547 different variations of the screen pass.

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I've seen Portis in on many 3rd downs.

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I didn't see the Titans Game so I can't comment on it specifically. But what's baffling me is this: As "gimmicky" as Saunders may be, his offense at its core is like Gibbs'. It's predicated on the run. That's been a staple of both coaches' offense for the past twenty+ years so I guess I'm not understanding what the issue is now.

So with that in mind, let me throw this out there. And maybe it belongs in a second thread. Or not at all. But here goes

Are we masking serious issues with the offensive line? Is Samuels not worth mentioning in the same breath as guys like Lachey, Roaf, Pace? Is Dockery an average, at best, guard? Is Thomas not fully healthy? And so on?

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I Don't understand. We got 300 pounders up front,a 280 lb. fullback, a 254 lb. tailback, and CP, is Al Saunders drunk?! Have they forgotten the ole' counter tre? WTF?:confused- HAIL from MCUSA!

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[QUOTE=Crat92;230108]I Don't understand. We got 300 pounders up front,a 280 lb. fullback, a 254 lb. tailback, and CP, is Al Saunders drunk?! Have they forgotten the ole' counter tre? WTF?:confused- HAIL from MCUSA![/QUOTE]

Well it's sort of what I'm wondering with Thomas. Remember after the Jags game Gibbs said that Thomas told him his hamstring hurt too much so don't run any pulling plays. Is that still the issue?

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[quote=Mattyk72;229335]The Colts are ripe for the picking if we just pound the ball down their freaking throats. We're a team right now that is perfectly built for playing smashmouth. We have a physical OL and very nice depth at RB. So what's the problem?

RUN THE DAMN FOOTBALL![/quote]

I do agree with the need to pound the Colts. But to say they're ripe for the picking is a gross overstatement. If they're ripe for the picking on the ground, then we're WAAAY ripe for the picking through the air.

What do you think Peyton is going to do to our secondary in his house with no crowd noise? [shudder]

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[quote=Mattyk72;229358]Well all I know is our current offensive approach is not working. It's time to try something different and get back to basics. What do we have to lose?[/quote]
Although i believe we needed much more Portis as well, I saw at LEAST 3 occasions where Moss had got by EVERYONE in the Tenn secondary only to be over or underthrown! I wouldn't be too quick to blame the offensive approach or philosophy. We have execution issues and it starts with the QB.