Re: Jason Campbell: when will the switch be made?
 

As soon as you want to concede the season, make the switch.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;230984]As soon as you want to concede the season, make the switch.[/QUOTE]
You assume that Brunell is our best option right now - I'm not sure that I would concede that. The way he's playing, he'll probably finish up 5-4, which is not a playoff record. I think Campbell can do 5-4, if not better, although he may lose a couple up front as he gets acclimated.

At this point, though, our best shot is with a shakeup. Time may prove that sticking with Brunell gets us to the playoffs, but all that means is that lower percentage option hit. I'll take the odds, thank you.

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I love that the Skins are rallying behind Brunell, but how many wide receivers must he skip passes to before we stop romanticizing our qb situation?

If JC doesn't start, at the very least move him up to #2 and put him in for a series or two each half and see if he gives us a spark. If the only argument for keeping Brunell is that he doesn't lose games, well that's not something we have to worry about since we're not winning games right now. Put in Campbell, pound the ball, and playing qb gets easier. But I think the reason we can't point to QB as a problem is because we can't point to anything that's working.

As for Brunell, he's a 14 year vet, and this isn't the first time a first rounder was brought in to compete for his job (Leftwich, Jax). He's a pro, and I'm sure that he'll be for whatever helps the team win.

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[quote=memphisskin;230998]I love that the Skins are rallying behind Brunell, but how many wide receivers must he skip passes to before we stop romanticizing our qb situation?

If JC doesn't start, at the very least move him up to #2 and put him in for a series or two each half and see if he gives us a spark. If the only argument for keeping Brunell is that he doesn't lose games, well that's not something we have to worry about since we're not winning games right now. Put in Campbell, pound the ball, and playing qb gets easier. But I think the reason we can't point to QB as a problem is because we can't point to anything that's working.

As for Brunell, he's a 14 year vet, and this isn't the first time a first rounder was brought in to compete for his job (Leftwich, Jax). He's a pro, and I'm sure that he'll be for whatever helps the team win.[/quote]


good points, but...did anyone but me watch the youtube clips of JC's preseason?? dude, he look wonderful!!!!! better than brunell has loooked in the last 3 years, hands down!(except maybe that Dallas Game on the comeback!)

i agree, Gibbs doesnt want to raise the white flag until absolutley necessary. I presonally thinks he wont do it because of snyder i mean come on how pissed would he be if this (early?) we conceded the season? after he spent all that $$$$ staff and players?

just a thought,....

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I agree with memphis' idea of moving JC up to #2.

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Sometimes you have to go backward in order to go forward, being Brunell has us on a backward freefall I don't see the problem with starting a second year QB. Kind of funny but the Cardinals who were picked by many to be better than us had no problem throwing in the towel on the season to start a rookie QB, only if JC starts will the world come crashing down. Give me a break with Brunell already he was washed up before he arrived in DC and has only continued to decline!

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[quote=offiss;231053]Sometimes you have to go backward in order to go forward, being Brunell has us on a backward freefall I don't see the problem with starting a second year QB. Kind of funny but the Cardinals who were picked by many to be better than us had no problem throwing in the towel on the season to start a rookie QB, only if JC starts will the world come crashing down. Give me a break with Brunell already he was washed up before he arrived in DC and has only continued to decline![/quote]

agreed, not to say that JC would come out and be a fucking Matt Leinart but, he COULD! And even if he didnt, like ya sad, if the frickin cards can do it and give themselves a chance to win, i guess we could too....at least i hope so....

Re: Jason Campbell: when will the switch be made?
 

A lot of the reason why young quarterbacks do bad is because they're on bad teams. We are not a bad team. Campbell can definitely succeed in this offense this year.

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From here and out....
Losing 3 games the season is done, so I would assume after the 3rd loss next season begins for us... and I would expect Brunell to part with his millions an retire.

Gee, are we supposed to be happy that Mark decided to stay for this season?
Hell no, gee mark no more favors ok, Mark's tenure at Washington should be enough to never have him acknowledged in conversation and in fact never remembered or talked about with respect. What ever good he statistically put up in Jax will be long forgotten.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;230818]I don't agree.

If the Skins hit 7 losses the playoffs would be out of reach in all likelihood. It would make absolutely no sense to keep playing Brunell at that point. Gibbs isn't dumb, at that point he would know that it's time to begin the Campbell era. Besides, the fans would boo Brunell out of the stadium at that point.[/QUOTE]



I think you may be on to something here because there was a chorus of boo's during sunday's game, and they're going to get worse if the QB play continues to be ugly. We all know Gibbs's loyalty to Brunell, but if things don't get better he's going to have to consider the change whether he wants to or not.

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[QUOTE=illdefined;230896]don't be so sure about that (not named moss).

Santana was dissing the Cover-2 as a defense, said he'd be great at it even though he's never played corner. more importantly he was saying that's all defenses are doing to us. most words from him i've ever heard, this is Santana Moss, not T.O. about as much of a diss to the scheme/QB you can expect from him.[/QUOTE]



Does that mean Al Saunders does not know how to attack cover 2 with the passing game, or that Brunell cant make the throws?

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He has to know! I coach middle-school football and I know how to attack it! The chink in the armour of the cover 2 is the middle of the field. Both safties help over the top of the corners leaving the middle of the field wide open. The miss match to exploit is the athletic TE vs. MB. Run the TE right up the the hash. Bam! Touchdown!Chris Cooley is supposed to be the "Tony Gonzales" of this offense. Last year he showed that he could make big plays. Why not this year? In order to beat this D for a TD or big play, requires the ball to be thrown deep. There in lies the problem! In comes Campbell with acuracy and a BIG arm! In this Al saunders can't possibly be considered as an Offensive "Guru" if he doesn't know this simple plan to attack the cover 2! It's chess, not checkers ladies and gentlemen! HAIL from MCUSA!

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[quote=Crat92;231156]He has to know! I coach middle-school football and I know how to attack it! The chink in the armour of the cover 2 is the middle of the field. Both safties help over the top of the corners leaving the middle of the field wide open. The miss match to exploit is the athletic TE vs. MB. Run the TE right up the the hash. Bam! Touchdown!Chris Cooley is supposed to be the "Tony Gonzales" of this offense. Last year he should he could make big plays. Why not this year? In order to beat this D for a TD or big play, requires the ball to be thrown deep. There in lies the problem! In comes Campbell with acuracy and a BIG arm! In this Al saunders can't possibly be considered as an Offensive "Guru" if he doesn't know this simple plan to attack the cover 2! It's chess, not checkers ladies and gentlemen! HAIL from MCUSA![/quote]
brunell had guys open deep over the middle all game, but he was afraid to throw it

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That's precisely my point! 'Preciate It! HAIL from MCUSA!

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just start him. at this point i'd wait till after indy. if we lose there, it's time to change. with our defense the way it is right now, the playoffs or a magic win streak seem so out of picture it's not even worth worrying about.

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if we lose to the colts...look for the change to made during the bye week. I really hope we win. but i am not going to hold my breath.

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Smart receivers don't criticize the QB who is currently the one throwing them the ball. Wait until Campbell comes in and you may start hearing a couple of comments about the previous QB's skills from our receiving core.

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When was the last time we heard any of Gibbs' players talking trash about each other??

I wouldn't count on it starting anytime soon.

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You don't have to be talking trash to say something along the lines of "It's nice to finally be getting some attention" or "The way our offense is going now, the sky's the limit" or "Man, that kid throws a real pretty deep ball"

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The switch can't come soon enough for me.

Here's my worst nightmare: Somehow, we pull off a win this week. in doing so, Brunell buys himself more time. But, ultimately we lose more key games and the season goes down the tubes anyway. But, it happens too late for Gibbs to consider any QB change, so we are stuck with MB for another 10 games.

Everyone says starting Campbell means giving up on the season. I don't necessarily buy that theory. I feel he can't possibly be any more inept than Brunell. I'd rather have a QB who possibly throws more INTs, yet revitalizes our sick passing game, as opposed to a QB who rarely throws INTs because he doesn't attempt much beyond 10 yards. This offense needs a major spark and a QB change could be that spark.

Starting Campbell isn't giving up on the season. Sticking with Brunell is.

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Starting Campbell isn't giving up on the season. Sticking with Brunell is.[/quote]


i couldnt have said it better.

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[QUOTE=LadyT;231314]The switch can't come soon enough for me.

Here's my worst nightmare: Somehow, we pull off a win this week. in doing so, Brunell buys himself more time. But, ultimately we lose more key games and the season goes down the tubes anyway. But, it happens too late for Gibbs to consider any QB change, so we are stuck with MB for another 10 games.

Everyone says starting Campbell means giving up on the season. I don't necessarily buy that theory. I feel he can't possibly be any more inept than Brunell. I'd rather have a QB who possibly throws more INTs, yet revitalizes our sick passing game, as opposed to a QB who rarely throws INTs because he doesn't attempt much beyond 10 yards. This offense needs a major spark and a QB change could be that spark.

Starting Campbell isn't giving up on the season. Sticking with Brunell is.[/QUOTE]




Plus, many feel that anything short of the playoffs this year is a failed season. Regardless of our optimism, I doubt there are many here who would be willing to bet we'll make the playoffs this season. Giving Jason Campbell some opportunities before season's end will enhance his readiness for the coming season providing their plan is to have him ready to be the starter next season. Also, the sooner we get to look at Jason under game conditions, the better we'll be able to determine if he is actually capable of being able to lead this team starting next season, or if we would have to consider looking even further perhaps for a veteran QB. So, the sooner we find these things out the better off we'll be in terms of making any further decisions as to which way to proceed. I feel it's imperative we test his state of readiness "now" so the team can begin to rally around him while we still have our core group of offensive player locked into long term contracts and they can all grow together.

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I posted this on another thread but here goes. I'd love for JC to come in and do great things but...

I think the players know if JC is ready and from what i've heard he isn't. For example, Sellars and Lloyd have recently been on the John Riggins show and stated that MB is their guy and if he goes down, they would want Collins insteade of JC. I'm paraphrasing here, but they stated JC is getting better but not ready to start.

If you go back a couple of years alot of nfl scouts though JC was a "project" at best and wasn't worthy of a 1st round pick. Now, alot of scouts are often proven wrong, but the verdict is still up in the air. I just think the players and the coaches will make the right call on this one.

Hey, i'd like to see what JC can do too, but it says alot when the players don't think he's ready to play.

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Saunders recently said that Campbell is redshirting right now, but that redshirt can come off at any time.

Translation: he's not ready to play but if the season is lost Campbell will get his shot.

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So I guess Todd Collins is Ready to play. Wow here comes yet another Michigan QB (not named Tom Brady) that sucks. Let's not play the young back-up, lets play the perineal back-up who has sat the bench his entire career! Yeah, that's brilliant! :doh: HAIL from MCUSA!

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It has been the source of much conversation on the Dan Patrick show this pm. DP predicting that if the game goes south, Brunell grabs the pine, with Campbell in relief. I can't see Joe doing that, but I can agree with another poster earlier, in a loss, the skins fans won't let Brunell back on the field in the next home game. It won't be pretty.

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Sure in the hell won't be pretty! We are a proud franchise and losing is something we should not be getting used to! Think of us the Fans, we deserve better! HAIL from MCUSA!

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[QUOTE=redsk1;231753]I posted this on another thread but here goes. I'd love for JC to come in and do great things but...

I think the players know if JC is ready and from what i've heard he isn't. For example, Sellars and Lloyd have recently been on the John Riggins show and stated that MB is their guy and if he goes down, they would want Collins insteade of JC. I'm paraphrasing here, but they stated JC is getting better but not ready to start.

If you go back a couple of years alot of nfl scouts though JC was a "project" at best and wasn't worthy of a 1st round pick. Now, alot of scouts are often proven wrong, but the verdict is still up in the air. I just think the players and the coaches will make the right call on this one.

Hey, i'd like to see what JC can do too, but it says alot when the players don't think he's ready to play.[/QUOTE]




I am going to say this, Jason Campbell is almost half-way through his second year with this team, and considering the price it's time to find out whether he's ready to play or not. Maybe Sellers and Lloyd could be correct in their asessment, but I wouldn't expect them to say anything anti Brunell at this time. If (and I say if) he's not deemed worthy by now then we really made a complete miscalculation in considering drafting him in the first place. Football is not rocket science, and JC is not going to get any better by sitting behind Brunell. The only way he'll get better is to play, and in the minds of many it's time.

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If Jason Campbell is the future for us, we need to get him some reps, before the year is done, if we continue to lose. Campbell needs to be patient, we are trying to win a Superbowl, we are not in a rebuilding stage, his time is in the future.

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[QUOTE=twinskinsfan;231806]If Jason Campbell is the future for us, we need to get him some reps, before the year is done, if we continue to lose. Campbell needs to be patient, we are trying to win a Superbowl, we are not in a rebuilding stage, his time is in the future.[/QUOTE]



I'm going to interject that old George Allen philosophy, "The Future Is Now" because there's no way this team is going to win the SB. With two more losses we will be in a rebuilding mode.

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I think we'll make the switch when the 'Skins are mathematically eliminated from playoff contention.

I hope everyone is genuinely expecting horrific play when Campbell starts. The guy hasn't taken an NFL regular season snap as far as I know, so he should be expected to falter for some time. Guys like Roethlisberger are not the norm - struggling for a few seasons before getting things together is the norm.

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if we are going to lose, lets do it in a year when we have our own #1 draft pick

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[QUOTE=Crat92;231775]Sure in the hell won't be pretty! We are a proud franchise and losing is something we should not be getting used to! Think of us the Fans, we deserve better! HAIL from MCUSA![/QUOTE]



Vince Lombardi once said "winning can be contageous, but unfortunately so can loosing"

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[QUOTE=LadyT;231314]The switch can't come soon enough for me.

Here's my worst nightmare: Somehow, we pull off a win this week. in doing so, Brunell buys himself more time. But, ultimately we lose more key games and the season goes down the tubes anyway. But, it happens too late for Gibbs to consider any QB change, so we are stuck with MB for another 10 games.

Everyone says starting Campbell means giving up on the season. I don't necessarily buy that theory. I feel he can't possibly be any more inept than Brunell. I'd rather have a QB who possibly throws more INTs, yet revitalizes our sick passing game, as opposed to a QB who rarely throws INTs because he doesn't attempt much beyond 10 yards. This offense needs a major spark and a QB change could be that spark.

Starting Campbell isn't giving up on the season. Sticking with Brunell is.[/QUOTE]


Couldn't agree more!

At the very least Campbell would recieve much needed experience in the NFL to help in his developement, I seriously doubt he's learning anything productive by watching Brunell play.

I hate to see us lose this week but part of me is hoping for a debacle by Brunell to get rid of him once and for all.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;231820]if we are going to lose, lets do it in a year when we have our own #1 draft pick[/QUOTE]

Yes and no, I can only imagine what we would do with that pick and it ain't good. No one understands how to attack the draft in the organization.

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If Brunell looks like shit in the first half this weekend against the Colts D, then Gibbs should put the team in Campbell's hands in the second half. The Colts are without their star Strong Safety and if Brunell can't capitilze on that fact alone, especially with our speedster receiving core, then I will at the point in time, lose all faith in Number 8. I respect Gibbs's committment to veterans, but Jesus Christ man, if Gibbs can't see what going on here, then maybe he should hand the team to Campbell on the field and hand the rest of the shit off to Williams off the field. I am mad as hell with Saunders's play calling as well. There have been multilple times where Brunell will be left with a 3rd and long and what play is run? A mutherphucking screen to Fauria or Cooley or Sellers or the old "trick" draw play to Portis. I have never seen so many three and outs by a team with as much talent as this one. Brunell - - THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE DUDE! GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER PRETTY BOY, OR SADDLE UP AND RIDE OFF INTO SOME VIDAL SASSOON COMMERCIALS OR SOMETHING......AGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HAIL

Re: Jason Campbell: when will the switch be made?
 

I know Brunell can play at a high level, and he has shown it this year. We are learning a new offense, and it is very difficult to make it work smoothly on the field sometimes. Like Tony Dungy said, sometimes it looks very sharp and effective and other times opportunities are being missed for big plays. Gibbs is right that the quarterback play is not what the problem is, and two other anonymous NFL personnel people agreed as noted in a recent article.

Another factor is that we have had a strong defense to rely on the last two years and now the offense has to be perhaps the main tent pole holding things up, yet the offense has all the new plays to learn and the new players to integrate. It is a tough time right now if you are expecting wins every weekend.

However, I think that you have to be open to putting Jason Campbell in as the starter this season. The key is that you don't put him in unless Brunell gives you the second best chance to win the game. I believe that players have to play themselves out of a job, or someone has to be a better player to deserve to start instead of them. That way players know that their effort and performance are what determines who plays, and not arbitrary decision making. Only by basing it on performance do players have the right motivation to play at their best.

Campbell could provide a spark and an intangible lift because he is young and perceived as the future starter. He has had a chance to watch and observe. He won't have the experience or savvy of Brunell, but he brings a lot of talent and intelligence to the table, and at some point he may give the team a lift enough that playing him will give us a better chance to win than Brunell.

It may indeed happen that the call is made soon:

[URL="http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=3137&line=77667&spln=1"]http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pl...ne=77667&spln=1[/URL]

ESPN.com reports that the Redskins are preparing to make a switch to Jason Campbell "sooner rather than later."
[COLOR=blue]Washington are staring a 2-5 record in the face unless they beat Indianapolis Sunday. Then they have a bye week, a logical time to make the choice. Forward thinking owners in 2-QB leagues might want to make a move now.[/COLOR] Oct. 20 - 5:16 pm et
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What if Gibbs waits until we are mathematically eliminated to put in Campbell, and he sets the league on fire? The "why didn't you put Campbell in sooner" questions will start flyin' And that would be a huge thread! As far as Roethlisberger goes, he wasn't all that great abyway! Pitts. did not ask him to do much in terms of having to "win" a game. Pitt. played D and ran the ball. Big Ben only threw maybe 15 times a game during that stretch. HAIL from MCUSA!

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When Pigs Fly!!!!

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I'm pretty sure they don't pull Brunell because even at 2-5 somehow it won't be obvious that the season is done. There will be no 8 and 1 finish for them. They're a bad football team. However, Gibbs said yesterday he doesn't think pulling Brunell would help, so as long as he thinks that, he's gonna leave him in. That makes me think we might not see Campbell this season. I think Joe is smarter than that, but we'll see.