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[quote=That Guy;232745]i don't really see how it's funny or weird. opium is illegal and natural. uranium is natural, but it's illegal to possess it under most situations, etc...[/quote]

opium and uranium are both processed -- marijuana is not. that is the key difference. you could own 1000 acres of land and have some natural marijuana plants growing, without being aware, and you'd be committing a crime. you didn't plant it, you don't sustain it -- but it's illegal because uncle sam says so. bullshit -- that's nature.

now, if you were growing poppy plants, and making opium from it, that doesn't compare. but the point is: opium doesn't make itself.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;232689]besides, drugs are drugs, no matter how you look at it. just say no[/QUOTE]

This is going to sound rude, and I don't mean it that way, but the drugs are drugs comment is short sighted. How many drugs have you taken in your life? How many possibly saved your life? All drugs are not created equally. Every drug is different, and marijuana is different. I firmly beleive God put it on this planet for a reason.

Anywho, some chronic helped me get over that horrible loss and make me feel better that our season is already over.

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;232762]opium and uranium are both processed -- marijuana is not. that is the key difference. you could own 1000 acres of land and have some natural marijuana plants growing, without being aware, and you'd be committing a crime. you didn't plant it, you don't sustain it -- but it's illegal because uncle sam says so. bullshit -- that's nature.

now, if you were growing poppy plants, and making opium from it, that doesn't compare. but the point is: opium doesn't make itself.[/QUOTE]

100% correct! Great post!
My friend tried to compare cocaine to weed saying the ingrediants for weed have been put on this earth from God and cocaine is bad. But I had the same argument...weed is untouched...unmolested. All those other drugs are not.

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yawn

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[QUOTE=jsarno;233066]100% correct! Great post!
My friend tried to compare cocaine to weed saying the ingrediants for weed have been put on this earth from God and cocaine is bad. But I had the same argument...weed is untouched...unmolested. All those other drugs are not.[/QUOTE]
What about shrooms? Or peyote? Or any other "natural" psychedelic? I'm pretty sure we don't want people driving their VW buses around town licking toads and have the cops powerless to do anything about it.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets;233379] I'm pretty sure we don't want people driving their VW buses around town licking toads and have the cops powerless to do anything about it.[/QUOTE]

For as much as I've heard "weed makes me a better driver", I am just not sure that is true. In fact, I KNOW it makes me a worse driver. Sure it slows me down, but it makes me less aware of my surroundings.
That being said, I don't think anyone said "hey I'm going to smoke a bowl and drive 50 miles". Just like drinking, we don't want anyone under the influence driving.

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[quote=RobH4413;233362]yawn[/quote]

weed makes me sleepy too

:sleep:

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;234714]weed makes me sleepy too

:sleep:[/QUOTE]

Holy smokes...the mastermind of the warpath smokes weed. This changes everything. I'm calling my mother and telling her you can acheive elite status and smoke weed at the same time!
hahaha

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Beemnseven, the libertine says that everything should be legal ... cocaine, heroin, you name it - have at it.

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[quote=jsarno;234748]Holy smokes...the mastermind of the warpath smokes weed. This changes everything. I'm calling my mother and telling her you can acheive elite status and smoke weed at the same time!
hahaha[/quote]

I don't claim to partake in those sorts of activities currently, but let's just say that during my long and winding road of an undergrad college career... shit happened.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;235010]I don't claim to partake in those sorts of activities currently, but let's just say that during my long and winding road of an undergrad college career... shit happened.[/QUOTE]

Don't sweat it man, I was just playing with you.
I would wager that of the members here that have been to college, 90% have done it. Yours truly included.

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[quote=Beemnseven;234879]Beemnseven, the libertine says that everything should be legal ... cocaine, heroin, you name it - have at it.[/quote]

ya know, there are definitely good arguments to be made to support that position. Basically, I just try to keep an open mind and remember that people will do what people will do (mostly regardless of anyone else telling them not to).

onlydarksets: you're right shrooms can be dangerous, and they are totally natural. The only difference I can see between pot and shrooms is that one can kill you immediately, and the other takes much longer (if at all). But really, that difference is not very significant.

Really, the only legitimate justification for illegal drugs is safety. Then, the whole argument about whether this drug or that drug should be illegal, comes down to this question: does the government have a right to protect you from yourself?

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I'm of the mindset that smoking should be illegal because I hate the smell, marijuana should be illegal because I hate how retarded people's behavior becomes, but booze should be legal because I love beer.

Make marijuana legal for all I care, but it wouldn't change my opinion of it. Smoking that sh*t is a stupid thing to do - it has medicinal properties for people with eye problems, but while they're getting their eyes healthier, they're absolutely slaughtering their lungs just like with cigarrettes. If you don't have eye problems, then it has no medicinal benefits for you, and you might as well just be taking a blowtorch to your lungs every day.

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[quote=Schneed10;235128]I'm of the mindset that smoking should be illegal because I hate the smell, marijuana should be illegal because I hate how retarded people's behavior becomes, but booze should be legal because I love beer.

Make marijuana legal for all I care, but it wouldn't change my opinion of it. Smoking that sh*t is a stupid thing to do - it has medicinal properties for people with eye problems, but while they're getting their eyes healthier, they're absolutely slaughtering their lungs just like with cigarrettes. If you don't have eye problems, then it has no medicinal benefits for you, and you might as well just be taking a blowtorch to your lungs every day.[/quote]

Actually, this article shows that a recent study could not link pot to lung cancer.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html]Study Finds No Cancer-Marijuana Connection[/url]

If we want to talk about retarded behavior, personally I find drunks to be much more annoying than stoners. A stoner is going to laugh at stupid shit and want to eat everything in the house, while a drunk gets violent, obnoxious, or pukes and pisses wherever he or she pleases.

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I don't smoke weed, and get drunk often. I'd say though, that I STRONGLY prefer people who smoke up over drunks.

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Actually the tiredness, or "burnt-out" feeling that occurs with weed can also be attributed to mid-grade or low grade weed, typical in the states. The low quality of the weed can make the tired feeling increase. Very high quality weed, like the weed found in Amsterdam tends to burn you out a whole lot less. So you will feel high, but not just wanna sit around.

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Amsterdam must be a stoner's paradise... anyone ever been there?

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[quote=hooskins;235137]Actually the tiredness, or "burnt-out" feeling that occurs with weed can also be attributed to mid-grain or low grain weed, typical in the states. The low quality of the weed can make the tired feeling increase. Very high quality weed, like the weed found in Amsterdam tends to burn you out a whole lot less. So you will feel high, but not just wanna sit around.[/quote]

hey bro, the high grade stuff isn't just in amsterdam :D (catch my drift?)

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[quote=Mattyk72;235138]Amsterdam must be a stoner's paradise... anyone ever been there?[/quote]

My Best friends went there, and they told me it was amazing. Apparently, as soon as you step out the airport, the air just has a weed smell. Coffee shops have all kinds of weed, purple haze, blueberry, white widow, etc. They also sell shrooms there too. They come in boxes marked from 1-10, 10 being the strongest.

They also went to the Red-light District, one of the guys had alot of fun there ;). Also the whole peep show thing is true, they have them everywhere.

I know you all think they are probably making up parts of their story, and they might have embelished to an extent. But I can personally vouch for the weed there not making you tired. How you ask? Let's just say they brought back presents....

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[quote=Mattyk72;235132]Actually, this article shows that a recent study could not link pot to lung cancer.

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html"]Study Finds No Cancer-Marijuana Connection[/URL]

If we want to talk about retarded behavior, personally I find drunks to be much more annoying than stoners. A stoner is going to laugh at stupid shit and want to eat everything in the house, while a drunk gets violent, obnoxious, or pukes and pisses wherever he or she pleases.[/quote]

That study excluded anyone older than 60 because "those older than that were generally not exposed to marijuana in their youth, when it is most often tried."

I don't know about you guys, but both of my grandmothers smoked all of their lives and were diagnosed with lung cancer when they were in their 80s. If you're going to get lung cancer, whether it be from smoking pot or from smoking tobacco, it's generally going to happen in later years.

This is the only study that has found results like this. If other studies begin to say the same thing, then I'll become a believer. But it doesn't make a ton of sense given that there are a lot more of the same harmful chemicals in weed that are in cigarrette tar.

Besides, cancer isn't the only negative effect from smoking things. Emphesema (sp?) might be worse. It certainly results in a more uncomfortable death.

I just don't get how people can breathe smoke into themselves. It's just beyond me, but that's a personal thing.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;235140]hey bro, the high grade stuff isn't just in amsterdam :D (catch my drift?)[/quote]

Yeah but the good stuff here, is the basic stuff there.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;235134]I don't smoke weed, and get drunk often. I'd say though, that I STRONGLY prefer people who smoke up over drunks.[/quote]

Boozin' is a social thing. If you're wasted and your buddies are wasted, everything is cool. But if you're sober and you're buddies are wasted, nothing is more annoying.

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[quote=hooskins;235143]Yeah but the good stuff here, is the basic stuff there.[/quote]

I know what you mean, but it's hard to imagine it getting much better than this :) maybe you should visit FL sometime ;)

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Very true. I also prefer people drink beer. There's always the guys who want to drink shots of Wild Turkey or Beam and then fight people.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;235146]Very true. I also prefer people drink beer. There's always the guys who want to drink shots of Wild Turkey or Beam and then fight people.[/quote]

Agreed. I can understand wanting to do shots once you've gotten a number of beers in your system. You're a little tipsy and you think hey let's do some shots, that's a great idea. You don't stop to think about the anger and the puking that will surely ensue.

But being sober and choosing to just up and start doing shots is nuts (doing shots to get drunk that is, sometimes you hit up the Jack on the rocks just because you like it, and that's alright cause you don't guzzle it). As a sober person, you're in your right mind, I don't know why you'd choose to guzzle shots from the get-go and make yourself angry and pukey.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;235141]My Best friends went there, and they told me it was amazing. Apparently, as soon as you step out the airport, the air just has a weed smell. Coffee shops have all kinds of weed, purple haze, blueberry, white widow, etc. They also sell shrooms there too. They come in boxes marked from 1-10, 10 being the strongest.

They also went to the Red-light District, one of the guys had alot of fun there ;). Also the whole peep show thing is true, they have them everywhere.

I know you all think they are probably making up parts of their story, and they might have embelished to an extent. But I can personally vouch for the weed there not making you tired. How you ask? Let's just say they brought back presents....[/QUOTE]

After that did they take a train to Eastern Europe where one by one they were kidnapped? Did any of them lose an eye to a blow torch?

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That's why I like to eat with my hands. I think we've lost our connection with food.

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[quote=Schneed10;235142]I just don't get how people can breathe smoke into themselves. It's just beyond me, but that's a personal thing.[/quote]

Just inhale!

;)

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;235152]After that did they take a train to Eastern Europe where one by one they were kidnapped? Did any of them lose an eye to a blow torch?[/quote]

Ah I knew there would be one lol. I mean these are my best buds, and other people who have gone there told me about the coffee shops as well...And remember, I can assure you, that the weed there does not burn you out...


Actually I have seen pics of the coffee shops, inside them as well. Plus they were smoking outside, in public. Seems really chill...

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I've heard that as well. I had a few buddies take videos, pictures, etc. of their trip during college. It looks like hedonism at it's best. It's like a place you could go and never leave. They said the Red Light District was amazing. These are also guys who don't care if they pay for it, because they wanted threesomes, fetish shit, all of the above. That being said, they got plenty of strange FREE Eupoean ass as well.

ALSO saw THOSE pics and JEEZUS H.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;235157]I've heard that as well. I had a few buddies take videos, pictures, etc. of their trip during college. It looks like hedonism at it's best. It's like a place you could go and never leave. They said the Red Light District was amazing. These are also guys who don't care if they pay for it, because they wanted threesomes, fetish shit, all of the above. That being said, they got plenty of strange FREE Eupoean ass as well.

ALSO saw THOSE pics and JEEZUS H.[/quote]

Thank you, I am telling you I am not lying.

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It really IS the pleasure capital of the world. There and Thailand.

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The craziest part, is my dumbass friends brought stuff back. I can't say how they did online, but it was dumb to even try, but somehow they got lucky.

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PM me hooskins. I gotta' hear this. And if it involves body orifices, don't.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;235124]
Really, the only legitimate justification for illegal drugs is safety. Then, the whole argument about whether this drug or that drug should be illegal, comes down to this question: does the government have a right to protect you from yourself?[/quote]


it's not just protecting you from yourself. BAC tests and drunk driving laws are there to protect people from another person's stupidity, etc.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;235141]Let's just say they brought back presents....[/QUOTE]

How did they get the presents through customs?

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PM him, and he'll tell you the glorious story.

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Hey TMC, happy 25th! (my brain is a little slower than some who choose to abstain from a certain activity)

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THANKS MAN.

You are the only person to remember my birthday on here.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;235181]PM him, and he'll tell you the glorious story.[/QUOTE]

Cool, I'll do that.