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[quote=JoeRedskin;236302]First, while I appreciate the thought of this thread, I am not - repeat not - ready to give up on this year yet. It's tough sledding but maybe, just maybe we can go 8-1 or 7-2 and make it in. Not counting on it, but not giving up either.

Second, get Clements, start Campbell and draft lineman, defensive and offensive (yes, I know we don't have much in the way of draft but, what we have should be spent on getting younger and better along the lines).[/quote]

It's easier to find good linemen later in the draft. With positions like QB and RB, there's a few elite picks and then the quality drops off dramatically. With linemen, there are guys with size and work ethics all throughout the draft who can be made into a blocking monster even if they have some weaknesses to work on. Tony Mandarich, Tony Boselli and Brian Jozwiak showed why you shouldn't take a offensive lineman with a top pick.

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The Skins look like Rocky in Rocky III, only without having achieved any of the things that Rocky did. Point of fact, they've lost their Eye of the Tiger. They need to hire Apollo Creed to take the whole team to some crappy gym on the coast full of young football players with the eye. Then they need to run windsprints on the beach in shorts so short they'd make Paris Hilton blush. Throw in Mrs. Gibbs screaming "You can't win" (or was that in Rocky IV?) and we've got a SB title in '07.

Beyond that, some patience wouldn't hurt. Instead of getting all dreamy-eyed over some free agent signee, lets instead put some money back into our scouting department. I'd love to see us develop some players, like Kedric Golston, instead of constantly calling someone else's trash our treasure (Archuleta). It's a little hard to build chemistry when you're constantly re-arranging the core. Settle on the core guys, surround them with young, hungry players, and draft younger, hungrier players to push them.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;236276]I think we are assuming Quinn will be #1, but I just don't see it. I guess we'll know more in the offseason. There are always a plethera of talent in the top 10.[/QUOTE]




Someone started a thread on this guy a few days ago, what happened to it?

How we're going to pay a first round pick is more important than who we're going to pick. Knowing this FO and their disdain for DP, anything relevant to same would be truly speculation. This current roster has to visit the knife before we can think about signing anybody.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;236107]Here's a question for you guys. I'd say the odds are 90-10 that Brunell won't be back next year and I'll say 80-20 that Collins won't be back. So anyhow, assuming Campbell is our guy next year who is the backup?

Do we draft someone we can groom? Or, considering Campbell will essentially be a rookie, do we go after a veteran QB with playing experience. Some possibilities Jake Plummer (I don't like him personally), Chris Simms (if he's not back in Tampa, I think he'll look to start somewhere else), and here's an intriguing one Byron Leftwich (would bring him back home)

Anyway, I don't like thinking about next year yet but I am curious who might be our backup QB. What do you all think?[/QUOTE]

If they bring any of the QBs you mention here to DC they wont be as back ups.

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for what its worth, i would also like to see us pick up clements in free agency. as far as the draft goes there i dont really think that there is much cb talent this year. there are basically 2 guys, leon hall and marcus mcaulley. hall is great against the run but is kinda slow and i dont think he will be that great in coverage. mcaulley has all the physical tools but he is from fresno state and hasnt played that great of competition. if we get a top 5 pick i dont think i would feel comfortable using it on someone from fresno state. if we do get a top 5 pick does anyone else think we should take a look at paul posluszney???? he is a freek and can play both middle and outside lb.

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[quote=jsarno;236277]My bad, I misunderstood your post.

I guess you're seeing what I am seeing out of McIntosh too eh? (nothing to this point)[/quote]

Yep, hard to say much about him when he's not playing.

Hopefully down the stretch this season we'll see him get a chance to play.

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Everybody in Washington is complaining that we have thrown away the future with free agents and all anyone wants to do is bring in more. Clements, Leftwich, we dont have the cap room for anyone unless we mortgage the future some more. We dont need a whole lot that we cant get in the draft. We have a first round pick and a few more. Its time to stop looking to fill all the holes with what everyone percieves to be superstars. Look at the Patriots, they have two rookie tackles playing for them right now, and recievers that no one ever heard of. With all that, they are 5-1. We on the other hand have the highest payed left tackle and he let Freeny molest Brunnell. They dont go out every year and buy a bunch of players that they think they will fill a whole, they develop them. We have enough super stars, now we need some more players like Ryan Clark. So for all of you that have a post that say we need to sign this guy and that guy, you are just recommending that they keep doing what the Redskins have been doing. All of our free agents from 2006 sounded great on paper. Look at them now.

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I'm crazy, so don't listen to me.......but if the season proves bust, it is obviously rebuilding time, considering the state of our defense. I would liquidate what we can..... meaning trade away our most appealing of players. Trade Santana moss for picks, trade betts for picks, trade sean taylor for picks, trade marcus washington, Chris Samuels for picks. I know these guys are the face of the franchise, but we arent gonna get S*(&*^*)(*&)(&^)*(&^ for anyone other than them. Then I would use these draft picks for a QB, D-Line, and O-line nothing else. I prefer Chad Henne to run saunders offense, i think he has the tools. I think we are in a deep hole right now, and it'll be tough to dig ourselves out with our current cap situation, so liquidation would be the quickest solution.


However, we could always turn things around this season. I know this is unrealistic.

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[quote=The Zimmermans;236367]I'm crazy, so don't listen to me.......but if the season proves bust, it is obviously rebuilding time, considering the state of our defense. I would liquidate what we can..... meaning trade away our most appealing of players. Trade Santana moss for picks, trade betts for picks, trade sean taylor for picks, trade marcus washington, Chris Samuels for picks. I know these guys are the face of the franchise, but we arent gonna get S*(&*^*)(*&)(&^)*(&^ for anyone other than them. Then I would use these draft picks for a QB, D-Line, and O-line nothing else. I prefer Chad Henne to run saunders offense, i think he has the tools. I think we are in a deep hole right now, and it'll be tough to dig ourselves out with our current cap situation, so liquidation would be the quickest solution.


However, we could always turn things around this season. I know this is unrealistic.[/quote]

Ummm yeah you are crazy. We couldn't afford to trade everyone away both from a talent standpoint and from a cap standpoint. We'd have to eat a ton of cap hits from trading the guys you outlined.

I think we will need to make some tough decisions with guys such as Springs, and frankly I think it's time to reshuffle the D a bit and bring in some fresh blood, but we can't just blow up the entire team.

With the talent and coaches we have, we'll fine tune and give it another shot.

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I've said it time and time again, and you are exactly right in what you're saying CPDAMAN, I just wish we could convince the FO of the same thing. No matter how many times we say it, some just continue to think that FA hunting is the solution. Pipe Dream.

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yeah, the cap situation blows, dan Snyder needs to go to salary cap school. I wish we had more flexibility. I do believe our O-line is good enough to build around, I just think there is too much pressure on them with brunell back there. He takes 52 step drops, then throws the ball out of bounds. I don't think he has avoided one potential sack this year with mobility.

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[quote=The Zimmermans;236380]yeah, the cap situation blows, dan Snyder needs to go to salary cap school. I wish we had more flexibility. I do believe our O-line is good enough to build around, I just think there is too much pressure on them with brunell back there. He takes 52 step drops, then throws the ball out of bounds. I don't think he has avoided one potential sack this year with mobility.[/quote]

Daniel Snyder should teach cap school. Every year the "experts" forsee the implosion.........that is the Skins CAP. I don't know how he does it, but he does. It may have something to do with the cash savvy that comes along with being a self made Billionaire..........with a B.

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just sliding under the cap is not a good thing, despite what people think, it kills us every year. that's why we get ripped off in the FA market every year. No one wants our players cause of the cap situations. There is a reason we had to give away lavar instead of getting something for him. Snyder does it wrong. (yes i know lavar bought his way out). it doesn't take a genious to offer rediculous signing bonuses. I think resigning players is more important than picking up free agents, and we havent done that effectively.

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[FONT=Arial]For some reason I thought the name of this thread was "The MOVIES we sould make next year"

And I was going to say "The new Indiana Jones" movie.

Oops. Continue.
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[quote=Hog1;236401]Daniel Snyder should teach cap school. Every year the "experts" forsee the implosion.........that is the Skins CAP. I don't know how he does it, but he does. It may have something to do with the cash savvy that comes along with being a self made Billionaire..........with a B.[/quote]

EXACTLY!!! He's a financial and salary cap GENIUS. Every year, the media and fans cry "the Redskins are broke, they can't afford any new players with their salary cap!" and every year Daniel Snyder works the contracts in a way that gets us any player we want. You may not like his parking fees or merchandise sales....but the man knows what he's doing and is the smartest owner (financial-wise) in the NFL.

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[quote=The Zimmermans;236402]just sliding under the cap is not a good thing, despite what people think, it kills us every year. that's why we get ripped off in the FA market every year. No one wants our players cause of the cap situations. There is a reason we had to give away lavar instead of getting something for him. Snyder does it wrong. (yes i know lavar bought his way out). it doesn't take a genious to offer rediculous signing bonuses. I think resigning players is more important than picking up free agents, and we havent done that effectively.[/quote]

Just sliding under the cap is a good thing, it means we're using all of our available financial resources. Why start a season with holes in the team and still have unspent cap money? That's like going into a battle with half a box of bullets.

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another reason sliding under tha cap is not good...........injuries, no cap room for injury replacements. No DEPTH on this team because of snyder's antics.

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why are people still fighting about Snyder?

he didn't pick Archuleta or Carter he just paid them. he'll pay whatever it takes to make his COACHES happy. that's a great owner. sure, it took him a while (painfully), but thats all in the past.

this is the guy who brought Gibbs back to Washington and gave him a hell of a blank check. what's not to like??

Next Big Name Snyder goes After
 

who will be the next big free agent acquisition by Snyder if it be this year or next???????????????

Brett Favre
Randy Moss
Michael Strahan
Ray Lewis

I know some of these guys wont be available, give me some names, so I can prepare myself for seeing through the hype of Snyder. The HYPE that gets people convinced that $35 for parking is reasonable.

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you are tripping if you think Snyder is still making personnel decisions.

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You might want to calm down just a bit with the Snyder bashing.

First off, he's not calling the shots as far as who the team goes after.

Second and most important, the past few years the team hasn't chased the over the hill types that you named above.

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Nate Clements.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;236426]Nate Clements.[/QUOTE]

we can only hope. cuz he's not old, unlike the argument on this thread.

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[quote=The Zimmermans;236422]who will be the next big free agent acquisition by Snyder if it be this year or next???????????????

Brett Favre
Randy Moss
Michael Strahan
Ray Lewis

I know some of these guys wont be available, give me some names, so I can prepare myself for seeing through the hype of Snyder. The HYPE that gets people convinced that $35 for parking is reasonable.[/quote]

Help, he's fallen and he can't get up! :Flush:

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I can't believe all the people that support snyder............Did you know he charges $15-20 in parking at six flags!!!! another thing that irks me is the low quality of the food at Fed EX, considering the impressiveness of the stadium. Those two things should be enough to anger you guys.

Problem with snyder is that he's not savy enough to make his own decisions, (leading, not following) He's learning every year from his mistakes. Has he ever heard of benchmarking, doing things the way that other owners did them in the past, therefore he has no idea how to be an effective OWNER, (not businessman, there's a difference). Why are skins fans proud of our 90,000 person stadium and absurdly unnecessarily high revenues, and "squeezing under the cap" The two teams with the best records in their conferences the last 5 years were pats and eagles, the two teams furthest under the cap.

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[quote=SouperMeister;236296]I'd select a pass-rushing DE before CB. With our weak pass rush, Champ Bailey himself would have a hard time in this D. Our secondary is much maligned, but you can get by with an average secondary if you have an outstanding pass rush. As poorly as Rogers and others have played at CB, I'm convinced that the talent is there (especially with a healthy Springs). I'm not as certain about Andre Carter suddenly bolstering our pass rush. Get a bonafide pass rusher, and much of this secondary's problems will disappear.[/quote]

Bingo. A big problem w/ the d is we have no pass rush. Our front 4 can't get to the qb. It snowballs from there. No pash rush leaves open receivers. When we blitz we still have a problem getting to the qb. We're not getting TO's because we're not getting to the qb.

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[QUOTE=The Zimmermans;236439]I can't believe all the people that support snyder............Did you know he charges $15-20 in parking at six flags!!!! another thing that irks me is the low quality of the food at Fed EX, considering the impressiveness of the stadium. Those two things should be enough to anger you guys.

Problem with snyder is that he's not savy enough to make his own decisions, (leading, not following) He's learning every year from his mistakes. Has he ever heard of benchmarking, doing things the way that other owners did them in the past, therefore he has no idea how to be an effective OWNER, (not businessman, there's a difference). Why are skins fans proud of our 90,000 person stadium and absurdly unnecessarily high revenues, and "squeezing under the cap" The two teams with the best records in their conferences the last 5 years were pats and eagles, the two teams furthest under the cap.[/QUOTE]
i don't think these two threads should've been merged. they're very different topics, one serious, one not-so-much.

re: Snyder - yeah i have zero stadium experience (least at Fedex) so i can't comment on any of that, i don't know how much of an actual hand he has with the parking prices (or cooking the food), but he certainly knows how to keep people coming, he's the most profitable NFL owner ever.

even that should be his own thread, stadium issues versus actual team personnel etc.

there are three threads here: Snyder can't run a stadium, Synder can't run a team, and finally, The Moves We Should Make Next Year.

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Who is this Marquis guy that everyone keeps talking about?

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that bit in the Post about having the chance to re-sign Clark and his influence on Sean Taylor makes me sick...

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Yeah, I didn't merge the threads, they arent the same topic. One topic is what we should do, the next is what snyder and the rest of the staff will do. People need to stop pretending that snyder has no say in the personnel moves.

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As far as the D goes, the problem seems incresingly obvious to me each week. The way GW builds his defense, it's built around a strong front 7. What he desires to do with his secondary is to use them in creative ways, thus he demanded we go out and draft the physical speciman that was Sean Taylor, and sign Adam Arculetta. The Corners are physical run stuffers despite conventional NFL defenses who prefer smaller, quicker, cover corners, thus the drafting of Carlos Rogers. The secondary has been under a lot of fire this year for giving up big plays. But Gregg Williams has and has always had an expectation for his front seven to dominate the line of scrimmage, allowing him to twist his coverage using the personel he has to throughly confuse the opponent. That's at least what happened the last two years. All of a sudden this year, we add a less physical defensive end and lose our physical linebacker, Arrington, and there is a gaping hole in the front seven. You add to that injuries to Griffin and Saleve'a, and Philip Daniels aging right before our eyes every week, and it's no wonder we are getting beat each week. Now rather than being on the attack, the secondary is on the defensive. And all those DBs have major flaws in their game that even the weakest NFL offenses are exploiting. Arculetta and Rogers are getting the brunt of it, but it's not like these flaws were just recently discovered. Williams had to take the good with the bad to get the physical abilities that he covets. This whole defensive problem is a product of GW's all or nothing defensive scheme. They either dominate the game, or they get dominated. And right now, the front 7 is playing average football. And in our scheme, average isn't good enough. Because we have a bunch of physical tools in the secondary who aren't the best cover guys (by design), who are getting picked apart.

The only quick fix I can see is to replace Holdman on the weak side. If Rocky is ready, play him. If he isn't, go somewhere else. Posey or somewhere. Or move Andre Carter back to LB, start Wynn or Evans at DE, and use Carter's skills to rush the passer. Because, right now at end, he's getting beat up in the run game, and is pretty mediocre in the passing game, and its killing the defense. Either way, something needs to be done to the front seven quickly.

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Tripp, for once, i'm in complete agreement with you.

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This is just terrifying (from a [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/29/sports/playmagazine/1029play_parcells.html?pagewanted=3&_r=2"]long article[/URL] on Parcells with some comments on the Redskins):

"Referring to Al Saunders, Parcells says: “This other guy, I think, he’s a lot more indiscriminate. I think he’s not going to be as concerned about the effect on his defense.” In other words, the Redskins’ defense will pay the price — in time spent on the field, in fatigue — for Saunders’s disinterest in controlling the ball and the clock."

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[QUOTE=mheisig;236555]This is just terrifying (from a [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/29/sports/playmagazine/1029play_parcells.html?pagewanted=3&_r=2"]long article[/URL] on Parcells with some comments on the Redskins):[/QUOTE]

how bout:
"Parcells points out Redskins right tackle Jon Jansen. “This is Jansen getting pushed back,” he says. “He doesn’t look like the player he was a couple of years ago.” The right side of the Redskins’ line seems to have trouble with twists. If Newman can cover Moss long enough, Jansen won’t be able to hold off Greg Ellis or Marcus Spears, the Cowboys’ pass rushers he has to block."

:(

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I certainly hope the Redskins are using this as bulletin board material

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[QUOTE=mheisig;236555]This is just terrifying (from a [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/29/sports/playmagazine/1029play_parcells.html?pagewanted=3&_r=2"]long article[/URL] on Parcells with some comments on the Redskins):[/QUOTE]

or worse yet:

" The Redskins’ offense suddenly looks less like the handiwork of their head coach, Joe Gibbs — whom Parcells has faced 20 times over the years — than of Al Saunders, the associate head coach for offense the Redskins poached from the Kansas City Chiefs in the off-season. Parcells moves on to examine the 2005 Chiefs. “If you can just understand what they’re about, a lot of other things follow,” he says. “It’s like finding a common denominator in mathematics.” What the Chiefs have long been about — and what the Redskins are newly about — is exploiting the width of the field. Their running game tends to avoid the inside, or the middle of the field; it’s built instead on sweeps and reverses. Their passing game has a lot of quick screens to the outside. And before every snap there’s a lot of running around. “One of the worst things you can do on defense is be a reactive defense,” Parcells says. “You can’t worry about what they’re doing. All that shifting, all that movement before the snap, is designed to get you worried about what they’re doing. They don’t want you to get a good fix. They don’t want you to stare down for 10 seconds. They want to create indecision.”

looks like the indecision is on us.

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[quote=The Zimmermans;236439]I can't believe all the people that support snyder............Did you know he charges $15-20 in parking at six flags!!!! another thing that irks me is the low quality of the food at Fed EX, considering the impressiveness of the stadium. Those two things should be enough to anger you guys.

Problem with snyder is that he's not savy enough to make his own decisions, (leading, not following) He's learning every year from his mistakes. Has he ever heard of benchmarking, doing things the way that other owners did them in the past, therefore he has no idea how to be an effective OWNER, (not businessman, there's a difference). Why are skins fans proud of our 90,000 person stadium and absurdly unnecessarily high revenues, and "squeezing under the cap" The two teams with the best records in their conferences the last 5 years were pats and eagles, the two teams furthest under the cap.[/quote]

Your really trying to tell me a Billionaire who took over the Redskins and made them the Highest grossing sports franchise in the United States is not Savvy enough, come on. I have no problem with having an owner that gives his coach everything he wants, or would you rather have an owner like the Cardinals. Why is it fun to bash Snyder about how much he charges to park and come to games, most of that money goes right back into the team, trust me Snyder does not need your money. Im damn proud to be able to go to the biggest and one of the loudest stadiums in the league, it has definately got better since Gibbs came back and when that stadium rocks you cant hear anything. And actually football is a business my friend, and what some dont seem to understand is that in the world of business men, like Danial Snyder, the goal is to make money, and I dont think hes that bad of an owner if he can take a team that has been pretty bad even before he took over and still make them a cash cow. Stop the Snyder bashing, he does not wear a uniform, he doesnt miss tackles.

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[QUOTE]Your really trying to tell me a Billionaire who took over the Redskins and made them the Highest grossing sports franchise in the United States is not Savvy enough, come on.[/QUOTE]

We're not fans of the business, we're fans of the team. And the team is in deep trouble. Every problem the Redskins have had since the change in ownership has been "solved" by buying something (including coaches). Snyder may be good at transactions (getting Gibbs is still potentially his high point), but he's not good at developing a football team.

It worries me that he can go to bed at night feeling not so good about the team but feeling great about the business he's running.

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From a cap and contract perspective I could see the following cuts:
Brunell - his salary jumps to $6.633 in 2007, Andre Carter in 2008 when his salary jumps to $5 million, unless a restructure occurs one has to take notice of Cornelius Griffins contract - it jumps to $6.166 million in 2007 and with his injuries that is a lot of money tied up in one player, Shawn Springs contract jumps to $7.3 million in 2007 - cutting him and signing Clements makes sense in 2007. Finally David Patten jumps to $3 million in 2007 so he is also a cap cut too I would think.

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Bill B, all of the players that you are sugesting we release would cost us more to release than to keep. The players that make sense to release are the ones that I stated in the begginning of this post. Go to the salary cap section and look at the subtitle release fees. We cant even think about releasing any of the free agents we signed this year until 2009.