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Trading down is definitely the way to go; however, that is not the flashy move that will draw the press. It kills me how all the various analyst knock our team as the Superbowl Champions of the offseason, free-agency period. It also gets to me when knowledgeable fans of other teams use this knock on us, and there is no effective counter response, for it is true.

The irony is that the Redskins of the first Gibbs era, are the type of team like Patriots, Eagles, and Bears are now, solidly built through the draft, and blue-collar. The Snyderskins are all flash and no substance, the team is going to have chemistry and other problems until they finally get out of the offseason free-agent spending spree madness.

I am sure someone will point out that Jack Kent Cooke spent money, and yes he did, but he spent money to retain players, which is why those old Redskins teams were so good, they had a core of players who played there whole career in burgundy and gold. In my own opinion this is one of the BIG problems with the Skins, and it is not going to be fixed any time soon.

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well said, but "snyder isnt the problem" according to many fans, however, snyder hasnt won.....coincidence?????

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[quote=The Zimmermans;238272]well said, but "snyder isnt the problem" according to many fans, however, snyder hasnt won.....coincidence?????[/quote]
We need to bring in a GM to provide adult supervision over Gibbs/Snyder regarding personnel and cap management, one who is steadfast about rebuilding via the draft. Until we do that, we will continue to be "The Champions of March" and hit or miss when the games count.

Champ Bailey wanted out after going thru changes every offseason, new coaches, new players, same underachieving results. Snyder will NEVER learn that building a stable core and keeping the same coaches on for more than 1 or 2 years is the real key to success. He'd rather gas up Redskin One every March and go on a jet-set spending spree. That approach is good for his bottom line - he can market somebody new every year, and create hype that the latest additions will put the team over the top.

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EXACTLY, winning the right way would cost him too much invested time, time is money. So he puts out an appealing product every year, figuring it will increase merchandise spending and attendance.

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[quote=Beemnseven;237602]Trading down out of a really high first rounder to get multiple picks would require some degree of ingenuity from the front office. I wouldn't trust this crowd to do such a thing.

Casserly could do it. Wonder if Danny could throw him a few million, make him forget about the past?[/quote]


Hahaha, having the most boring day at work, your sarcasm really brightened up my afternoon. Couldnt agree with you more!

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[quote=Mattyk72;237798]Speed is overrated. Position is what matters. Our guys in the secondary aren't suffering from a lack of speed, they're simply out of position too much.[/quote]

This is so true. If I remember correctly against the Giants before halftime Tiki reeled off a 15 yard run and the only playmaker on our defense, Mr. Taylor, ripped the ball from Tiki's arms. 15 yards down field and no redskins defenders were around to jump on the ball. Unreal, its the first thing they teach you in pee wee, get to the ball. We don't hussle to the ball at all. If we would swarm and be in the right places we would be more successful defensively.

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Are people really nostalgic for Charley Casserly? The architect of the famous Houstan Texans juggernaut? I think people might be mistaking the ass-end of Bobby Beathard's reign as part of CC's legacy. I don't remember CC having much luck with draft picks at all.

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Yeah, I agree there. I think a lot of people are lumping the two together.

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[quote=Mattyk72;237798]Speed is overrated. Position is what matters. Our guys in the secondary aren't suffering from a lack of speed, they're simply out of position too much.[/quote]


they're a slow secondary beyond whatever other troubles they may be having. speed can also let you correct some mistakes.

and trading down would or wouldn't make sense depending on our draft position and the players available. right now it's too early to tell.

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[quote=Kounter Trey;238309]Are people really nostalgic for Charley Casserly? The architect of the famous Houstan Texans juggernaut? I think people might be mistaking the ass-end of Bobby Beathard's reign as part of CC's legacy. I don't remember CC having much luck with draft picks at all.[/quote]
Ah yes, that Houston Juggernaut! Bring Back CC! HA HA HA!

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[quote=Kounter Trey;238309]Are people really nostalgic for Charley Casserly? The architect of the famous Houstan Texans juggernaut? I think people might be mistaking the ass-end of Bobby Beathard's reign as part of CC's legacy. I don't remember CC having much luck with draft picks at all.[/quote]

Charley is better than ayone we have now. What the hell has Vinny done besides be Dan's butt buddy? All Vinny does is sniff Dan's ass. Believe it or not Charley did help bring in talent on the Super Bowl teams under Bobby B. That being said he would not be my 1st choice. But I think Dan could bring him back as a consultant. He likes to add more people on the payroll.

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[quote=That Guy;238316]they're a slow secondary beyond whatever other troubles they may be having. speed can also let you correct some mistakes.

and trading down would or wouldn't make sense depending on our draft position and the players available. right now it's too early to tell.[/quote]

How are they slow? Springs, maybe but he used to be a burner. Taylor 4.5, Archuletta and Rogers run 4.4's.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;238557]How are they slow? Springs, maybe but he used to be a burner. Taylor 4.5, Archuletta and Rogers run 4.4's.[/quote]

wright is a 4.6 guy and rumph probably is too. carlos ran a 4.44, which isn't a burner when you have CBs running under 4.2 and WRs around 4.3. springs is probably the fastest guy in the secondary right now. and it doesn't matter what arch ran, when the pads are on, everyone and their brother is blowing right by him play after play after play.

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[quote=That Guy;238563]wright is a 4.6 guy and rumph probably is too. carlos ran a 4.44, which isn't a burner when you have CBs running under 4.2 and WRs around 4.3. springs is probably the fastest guy in the secondary right now. and it doesn't matter what arch ran, when the pads are on, everyone and their brother is blowing right by him play after play after play.[/quote]

In an interview Rumph said he was a 4.4/4.5 guy (now he very well could have lost a step).

Dude, 4.2 and 4.3 speed is very very rare and half of the guys who can do it can't catch a cold.

Our guys aren't getting torched down the field, they are in poor position when the ball arrives. So they either get toasted or grab the guy. And when they actually cover the play well, they drop it.

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4.3 isn't THAT rare, and rumph's official time (2002) was a 4.47, which isn't great. The bigger problem, of course, is that he can't play.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;238715]In an interview Rumph said he was a 4.4/4.5 guy (now he very well could have lost a step).

Dude, 4.2 and 4.3 speed is very very rare and half of the guys who can do it can't catch a cold.

Our guys aren't getting torched down the field, they are in poor position when the ball arrives. So they either get toasted or grab the guy. And when they actually cover the play well, they drop it.[/QUOTE]

While I disagree to the fact that speed is over-rated, I think it makes a difference...

I will agree completley with the fact our guys are totally out of position. Everytime I see a guy well covered, but our CB,S,LB, whathaveyou, staring them directly in the face instead of going for the ball makes me want to kill myself. I dont know if that slows them down by turning around(this is where the speed I think makes a difference), but that is just basic stuff. If one guy is looking for the ball and one guy isnt, chances are the guy that is looking for the ball is going ot come up with it.

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[quote=Beemnseven;237602]Trading down out of a really high first rounder to get multiple picks would require some degree of ingenuity from the front office. I wouldn't trust this crowd to do such a thing.

Casserly could do it. Wonder if Danny could throw him a few million, make him forget about the past?[/quote]


ahhhh...someone with brains in their head. I am glad i am not the only one who sees a need for a real general manager. not a danny flunkey like cerrato and not gibbs making personal decisions. Our front office system has a fatal flaw. throwing millions at has beens, except ARE, isnt the answer.

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[quote=Crat92;238319]Ah yes, that Houston Juggernaut! Bring Back CC! HA HA HA![/quote]


so i guess you blame casserly for the desmond howard pick. LOL that was all gibbs. casserly put together a good team for turner.we won a playoff game and then remember what happened to that team.... His name is Dan snyder.